Mr. Fox

I actually could have saved another $200 on a PNY and decided it was worth $200 to have the dual BIOS option for a cross-flash safety net. The PNY does not have dual BIOS. Otherwise I would have gone with the PNY. That said, I think there is a slightly higher build quality (objective) and aesthetic advantage (subjective) to the Zotac Solid OC. I do like the more muted appearance of the Solid, ASUS Prime and TUF video cards more than the flashy trash rainbow puke. Probably so. I think so much of what we see in "news" articles and YouTube videos about faulty computer hardware and security risks are based on isolated and very limited scenarios that will never affect 999 out of 1,000 users. It sucks to be that one unlucky guy, but it's pole vaulting over mouse turds to make a federal case out of the one rare example.

I would guess human error on the part of the employee that marked it down that much. But, it makes me want to return this one for a refund, LOL.

Hold on brother, not necessarily. 🤣 It could mean that. I'm still not convinced that it's worth it. I have 30 days from the date of purchase to decide. If the 9070 XT sells then I will be keeping it because my only other GPU is a 3080. I like it but I haven't decided if I want to keep it or if it's worth what I paid for it. I have very mixed feelings about it because it is such a poor value. If I can't sell the 9070 XT for an acceptable price then I might decide that I'd rather have my money back. Whether I keep it or I don't, I can't help but feel like I'm getting screwed. Is it a nice GPU? Yes, very nice. Is it more powerful than my 4090? Yup, a little bit. Is it more powerful than the 9070 XT? Yeah, quite a bit. Is it priced right? Hell no, the price sucks.

If you are considering this don't think too long. I just listed in on eBay for $125 + shipping more than what I am asking here and that is still below the median price for this superior 9070 XT model. https://www.ebay.com/itm/277320796960

Gigabyte AORUS Radeon™ RX 9070 XT ELITE 16G I purchased this GPU new in March and have been using it in my work PC running a -75mV undervolt. It is in immaculate condition. I replaced the stock thermal paste with PTM7950 phase change pad. The AORUS Elite is one of the most sought-after 9070 XT due to its superior build quality, vapor chamber, triple 8-pin power, dual BIOS and higher than average boost clock. Most of the warranty is left and it includes all of the original packaging and accessories. If you can even find this model for sale it will not be anywhere close to MSRP. Scalpers are selling it on Amazon and eBay for ridiculous prices. Price: $700 USD **SOLD** Reason for sale: I purchased a 5090 for my overclocking rig last week and moved my 4090 from the overclocking rig into the work PC. As such, it is a spare GPU. I have enjoyed it and now it is time for someone else to enjoy it. Payment: Zelle cash transfer, PayPal Friends & Family (if your country does not offer F&F add for PayPal fees) Condition: excellent Shipping: include for US residents in the lower 48, actual cost for those in AK, HI, PR International Shipping: Only if buyer is established and trusted in this forum. Actual cost plus any taxes, duties, VAT, etc. I am unable to estimate these costs. Handling time: Same Day or Next Business Day (depending on time of purchase) Feedback: eBay Profile; OC.net MarketPlace Feel free to send a PM with any questions. @Reciever@Clamibot@Raiderman

Will single-play campaign work with TPM and Secure Boot disabled, or did they screw the pooch for everyone including those that do not care about online multi-player?

This one is better.

If I decide to keep it I am going to. I do really like this Zotac Solid OC model. The aesthetics, build quality, size and performance compared to most of the other options is really good IMHO. Thank you. I will have to drop back to those drivers and re-run all of the benchmarks again. I suspect my Sky Diver and Fire Strike and Time Spy scores will also likely go up using old (better) drivers. The newer ones are mostly gamer crap I think. Thank you. I paid $2399 for it. Cheaper than we have seen AIB 5090 selling for, but still probably not worth it when I stop to think about it. Nice GPU, but way too much money for how little gain (related to price) that I am seeing over my 4090. I dusted off the portable AC unit sitting in the garage and parked it in front of the GPU and that made a huge difference in boost clock. I can't catch brother @Papusan with his arctic temperatures. His max load temps are about 15-20°C lower than mine and that really makes a big difference. Anyhoo, so far I am running like 3300-3325 MHz core and that is losing around 200 MHz on account of the higher load temps, but pretty much pegged at the 600W limit (605-610W). Maybe if I keep it and block/shunt/chilled water it, I might be able to give him more of a run for the money. Its too close to stock behavior right now to get within slapping distance. https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_speed_way/submissions/5878520 https://www.3dmark.com/sw/2591206 https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_port_royal/submissions/5878519 https://www.3dmark.com/pr/3594837 https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_steel_nomad_vulkan/submissions/5878517 https://www.3dmark.com/sn/7957241 https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_steel_nomad_dx12/submissions/5878516 https://www.3dmark.com/sn/7957336 https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_solar_bay/submissions/5878515 https://www.3dmark.com/sb/326913 https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_time_spy/submissions/5878513 https://www.3dmark.com/spy/57999178 https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_fire_strike/submissions/5878511 https://www.3dmark.com/fs/33672605 https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_sky_diver/submissions/5878518 https://www.3dmark.com/sd/6526977

And those promoting AI want us to "trust the technology" LOL. So many things are wrong with that, and it all starts with those "building" AI. GIGO... garbage in, garbage out. The idiots programming AI are garbage and a waste of human DNA, so naturally anything they produce is going to be "artificial" garbage. They need to be rounded up and exterminated while there is still time. They are unworthy to receive the air they breathe.

That has been true on all of my shunt mods. Not as much as I wanted it to go up, but enough to get a higher core overclock. But, I think they have locked down more stuff on the 5090 FE, which might be why. My Port Royal score also went up about 700 points with the same overclock just by switching to the AORUS Master vBIOS. https://www.3dmark.com/pr/3593815 | https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_port_royal/submissions/5878251

So, I flashed the Gigabyte AORUS Master 5090 vBIOS and got an instant boost in performance. @Papusanand @jaybee83 isn't that the one you both decided was the best? I tried the Extreme Waterforce version and it disables the fans since that card does not have fans. Same exact overclock settings as the previous post, just different firmware. If keep this it will get blocked and shunt-modded because the voltage and power limits are crippling it. https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/139535603 | https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_speed_way/submissions/5878242?recalculate=true

IIt looks fun. f you have to enable TPM and Secure Boot I'm out. Very upsetting to me. BF6 will be the first in the franchise that I will never purchase because of that, but there is no way I am going to bend my knee to that sort of Nazi crap. They can kiss my butt. Does the game launch and run single-player campaign, or did they throw the baby out with the bath water and require their Micro$lop-sponsored anti-cheat cancer even for those that do not do online multiplayer?

Still slowly working toward finding the max core OC. Not there yet. This is with +300 core and +3000 memory. Max voltage is 1.070V. Temps are still great in spite of the little fans @Papusan mentioned. I might have to dust off the portable AC and see if the boost clocks will hold higher under load. https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/139527683 | https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_speed_way/submissions/5878196

Thanks. Maybe. 🤣 It definitely doesn't impress to the same degree the 4090 over 3090/3090 Ti did. It is actually not seeming like a huge upgrade over 4090 in spite of what the price would lead one to expect. The build quality is really solid. It doesn't have the cheap plastic vibe going on. Yes, Alphacool makes a Core block for it. If I decide to keep it I will order one. If I keep it I will probably sell the 9070 XT. I'm taking it slow right now. Did a small overclock and got into the top 20 right off the bat. Not sure if there are lots of duds or what. That was too easy, so I don't know what the deal is there. I saw people in reviews complaining this GPU model runs too hot, but that does not seem to be an issue on this one. Temps are better than I expected (65°C core and 72°C memory) for air cooling. I've maxed out the memory slider at +3000 and a mundane +200 core. System is pulling just under 1100W from the wall and a bit over 600W at the GPU. https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_speed_way/submissions/5877947 | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/139475307

Curiosity got the best of me. Now I have to decide if I am going to keep it. I may not. I will decide after a few days whether or not it was actually worth buying. I am somewhat impressed but also disappointed. I have confirmed what I already believed as an observer: The value is poor. Side note: it never ceases to amaze me how insanely hot every single air cooled GPU is. Even when the core and memory temps are good, the heat just pours off of these things. Whether the GPU is modest or a monster, they all throw off heat like a stinking blast furnace. It amazes me even more that so many people (the majority) are OK with that. These are all stock core and memory clock runs with only the power limits maxed out. The 5090 really doesn't pull that much more power than the 4090. Both of them make the 1000W UPSes that each computer is attached to start squealing about having their capacity maxed out. What is interesting about all of this is yet further confirmation of a fact that I already knew. When I am just playing for the sake of playing and not paying any degree of attention to metrics for benchmark results, the gaming experience based on what GPU is being utilized is somewhat difficult to distinguish. All of them run smooth and everything is fluid and looks close enough to the same I would never know the difference. Even the now old 3080 Turbo with decent settings (as shown below) doesn't really feel all that different than the 5090. There is no question that we are being scammed more than we might care to admit.

Yes you are exactly right. They do not care. And that's why we should not care what they think or want. The problem is that we will all get to have whatever the complicit lowest common denominators and bottom feeders are willing to put up with. So it is up to us to decide whether we are willing to comply or not. My choice is to be non-compliant and enjoy being non-compliant when I do not respect the position of a party that wants to control me or decide how I do things. If I can find a way to do things the way I want to do them I do not care (or even bother to consider) if I have their approval or not. It helps whenever you can view their products and services as unnecessary and expendable. It becomes problematic when you lose the option of making your own decisions, or you believe you have no options and choose to fall in line because resistance is too inconvenient. When that happens we have only ourselves to blame for being complicit.

That is really messed up. I am glad that it does not apply to me. I do not play by their effed up rules. They have no say in the matter as far as I am concerned. Screw 'em.

It makes me happy that people are complaining and leaving negative reviews, and I hope the decision to use an anti-cheat that requires enabling things like Secure Boot and TPM causes severe financial harm, up to and including insolvency, for game developers that choose to go down that Nazi control freak path. It is interesting that the article says it is a requirement for BF 2042 because it runs fine for me without it. I would never play it if I had to enable Secure Boot. I am not sure if that is wrong information or something else. I do not engage in online multi-player gaming, so maybe that is why I have not had any issues. It is an unacceptable requirement for Windows or any other software. It is none of their business and an overstepping of boundaries and an abuse of control to require it for the operating system or any other software. I can only wish for very bad things to happen for any company that does this. In my opinion, in doing so they forfeit the privilege for their company to exist or turn a profit and they deserve whatever misfortune comes their way.

I watched Jay's video a couple of hours ago. He is right. Paying multiple hundreds of dollars more for a brand or "special" model GPU that has very little or nothing to offer that matters is so silly. Paying more for a fancier model or a certain brand makes less sense than it ever has before. Paying more for a GPU with RGB is sort of ironic because not having RGB rainbow puke is a valuable benefit to many of us. I think all of the GPUs (AMD, NVIDIA and Intel) that have no RGB are more aesthetically pleasing.

This does not apply to Black Ops 6. I have that and it works fine. I never enable TPM or Secure Boot, and furthermore, I never plan to enable that filth. My response to the Redmond Retards is... I guess it is not enough for Windows to be turned into unacceptable trash by its creator. Game Devs are deliberately turning their games into garbage, too. They are bowing to their demon-god Micro$oft and committing hara kiri. Sucks to be them. I know I am not alone in saying I will never knowingly purchase a piece of trash game or other software that requires TPM or Secure Boot filth.

They are hurting themselves by their own deliberate acts of abject stupidity and insanity. They are truly idiots and bowing to their demon-god Micro$oft. Sucks to be them.

I guess it is not enough for Windows to be turned into unacceptable trash by its creator. Game Devs are deliberately turning their games into garbage, too. They are committing hara kiri.

Yes, the consumer-focused Core Ultra CPUs outperform the equivalent Ryzen CPUs for business productivity and content creation. A lot of the Ryzen hype is focused on gaming. That has its place, but it's probably not the most important thing when you zoom out and look at everything.

Yeah, it is very important, no question. But there are internal issues that are far more important that need to be fixed first. Things like using lawfare and organized disinformation campaigns against political opponents, financial fraud and misappropriation of taxpayer dollars, special interest programs that cost millions/billions and ultimately benefit no one other than the entities given inappropriate taxpayer funding and government grants, and various organized crime rings within the ranks of our very own government that need to be eliminated first. Otherwise, treasonous violations like selling forbidden technology to China will keep on happening. When we destroy the enemies within we can then shift attention to destroying our external enemies. If you don't clean up your own house first, not only is that hypocritical, you'll just continue playing whack-a-mole with the traitors who sleep with the enemy.