Mr. Fox

This is a play from AMD's Zen 5 marketing playbook. Their latest and greatest hit the market with all the focus on performing the same while using less power. Whether you prefer red or blue, either way it sucks. Who cares? The focus is totally on the wrong thing. Nobody asked for CPUs that use peform the same as last gen while using less power as far as I know. If anyone did that considers themselves to be an enthusiast they are delusional and a poser.

Well, the 5090 being so absurdly overpriced will help both of my 4090s hold their value, LOL. Silver lining to every cloud. I am surprised they are so difficult to find, but they were crazy expensive new and probably near bullet-proof. I suspect most people that bought one are still using it and have no need to replace it and no plans to upgrade. They'll probably keep using it for a long time.

Did you find a tool for it already? I did not know there was a delid tool for it. If so, then problem solved. Don't use thermal paste. It won't last long. Use liquid metal instead and it'll last much longer than thermal paste. It looks like the W3175X is quite the wicked CPU. I hope you can find a good one for less than the cost of your complete Z790 build. https://gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3433-intel-xeon-w-3175x-28-core-cpu-review-benchmark-overclocking

Buy a couple of the $8.00 10-core CPUs we saw and see how it goes. Delidding older CPUs that had only thermal paste was easy. It did not become difficult until they went back to soldering them.

When I built the X99 desktop from traded surplus parts I found a lot of old laptop parts. Some of it was stuff that I forgot that I had. I initially planned to list it all for sale, but there was too much old Alienware and Clevo crap to deal with and a bunch of it without enough monetary value to justify the amount of time and effort that would be needed to sell it. So, I tossed most of it in my garbage so I didn't have to deal with it. The only items I kept (which wasn't very much) are things usable for the Dell Precision 7720 laptops that my wife and I still have. https://www.overclock.net/posts/29375135/

As an added bonus, you'll have TWO DIMM.2 cards running off CPU lanes. PCIe lanes up your kazoo and more than you can utilize. Now you need two 3090 Ti SLI. Should be able to run both at x16. And, best of all... you should have 100% driver support for Windows 7 now. Say goodbye to Windoze bloat performance castration. Maybe this weekend I will fire up the chiller and nudge this KS to 60x or 61x all P-core. Pretty nice score for such a modest overclock. That sums it up for me, too. The progressive regression of PC technology holds no interest for me. I might have to continue the legacy build thing. The X99 build was a blast and dirt cheap. It runs unexplainably well compared against current tech and my son-in-law and grandaughters are in hog heaven playing with it. Until now they have only owned skanky low-end turdbooks and obsolete Dell Precision and Latitude off-lease refurbs. It was like I gave them the world and I traded old parts, built with spare parts and had less than $100 invested in it. Depending on how that build goes for @tps3443 I may find the urge to play copy cat too much to resist.

Another example of the flawed approach of doing more with less. Doing more with less should only be a means or a segue into doing more with more. Say, for example, you can make a stock 24-thread CPU perform about the same as a stock 32-thread CPU, but the 24-thread CPU uses only 240W versus 375W. That's nice. But who cares? How high will it overclock and can it still beat the 32-thread CPU when you push both of them harder? If the answer is no, then it's not progress. It's a copout. If the answer is yes, then don't stop there. That's not good enough. It is complacency. Make the better IPC and more efficient 24-thread CPU a 32-thread or 36-thread option and stop worrying about how many watts it pulls. If you find headroom, then use it and do more with more. We need to stop trying to do more with less. That's stupid. It's a mentality that has made turdbooks turdier than they ever have been. Another way of looking at it... If it actually turns out that the first round of Arrow Lake is really something special, then definitely don't buy it. You're part of an experiment and a crash test dummy. Wait for the "Ti" CPU that has more cores, more threads, doesn't use less power and is actually worthy of being purchased. Remember what we learned from 12900K/KF... 13900K/KF came next. Wait for the kill. What comes after will be the actual successor to today's best, not what comes first. Similar scenarios have played out on the Ryzen side of the house. We need to use our brains and remember that newer is always better newer. Better doesn't usually happen until v2.0... after you have already wasted money paying to be on the crash test dummy team. Better luck next time, sucker.

The 3 FPS is probably within a margin of error. Considering the loss of workload processing abilities it's probably nice that it did not lose more than 3 FPS. What bothers me way more that that is their misguided focus and that they are chirping about the fact that the CPU uses less power. As if that is some kind of admirable quality or special feature. It's all a bunch of smoke and mirror nonsense designed to titilate the nonsensical tree-hugger types. Fewer cores/threads and no hyperthreading... of course it uses less power. Like, duh! 1+1=2. But, so what... who gives a rat's butt? I think the people in charge of technology development must have been the babies that got dropped on their heads during birth. They're all, collectively, the world's super-idiots.

It's amazing how many people speak so boldly about things that they are totally ignorant about. It happens a lot. Many of them just repeat what they hear others saying and they have no idea how full of baloney and misinformed about things they are. It was not unheard of to see 1.800V on VDIMM with DDR3 overclocking.

Totally agree. You could even do up to 1.600V. The biggest problem is keeping the memory cool enough to not error out. Once the memory temps go above about 45°C you start to lose stability.

I think they were right to be critical when they said that in 2017. It was a bad approach then and it is still a bad approach now. So, Intel is guilty of the same mistake they were once critical of AMD for making. The passage of time didn't make it OK to bring a "glued together" abortion to market. That leaves us with nothing good to choose from now. Stupid wins again. Through the process of elimination we must identify what we believe sucks the least and overlook the poor judgment.

The demand for pathetic rubbish like "gaming handhelds" contributes greatly to things turning to crap. When the sheeple love eating doo-doo and gobble it up like candy, that's what the rest of us get for dinner. Lowest common denominators often determine what the rest of us are left with.

Totally expected. When you do something super-stupid, like no hyperthreading, it's going to perform like a CPU with fewer cores. The CPU isn't playing with a full deck, just like the idiots that decided hyperthreading needed to go. Stupidity of that magnitude should not be tolerated. They need to be fired, shot and thrown in a dumpster. Single-core "performance enthusiasts" deserve a similar fate. They helped create the problem. I was going to suggest that as well. Thermal Grizzly offers this now as well in their product line. This is a good option for anything with a poorly engineered thermal solution. It won't fix product defects, but it helps when fit is a little sloppier than it should have been. And, pump-out is a problem for most GPUs even when the coolers do fit. You need to use something that stops or reduces that. Expensive: https://www.amazon.com/Thermal-Grizzly-Performance-electrically-Electronics/dp/B0DB84CQW6 Less Expensive: https://www.amazon.com/PTM7950-Heatsink-80x80x0-2mm-Conductive-Silicone/dp/B0BX42N9SZ

The better solution would be for them to just stop making 4-DIMM motherboards for gamers and overclocking enthusiasts. They should not even exist. Then they would not need to develop this new slot design. If they were doing things right, it would be extremely rare, or not at all, to find a 4-DIMM "enthusiast" motherboard. It is almost an oxymoron to say "4 DIMM enthusiast motherboard" LOL.

Did you see @tps3443 has his Z790 Apex motherboard for sale at oc.net for a VERY good price? https://www.overclock.net/threads/z790-apex-a04-motherboard.1812302/ He is in good company with a fellow dumb-dumb Gordon Mydung at his side. Both silly boys and both prone to telling lies when it is to their advantage. Congratulations. It's unfortunate that you had to sell the 3090 to float the house, but you ended up mostly recovered and nearly in as good shape as you started. Who would trade at 6900 XT for a 7900 XTX? That is great for you, but puzzling that someone would do that. Are they nuts?

That weirdo is just too disgusting and creepy for words.

I think that is an abbreviation for boxed 3-year warranty, but I like how "war box" sounds. 🤣 Having run the 7960X and 7980XE at 5.0 GHz all core I would not at all be surprised if you could overclock it stable to between 5.7 and 6.0GHz all core depending on the silicon quality.

If and when there is a next upgrade for me I am probably going that route. Some of the most fun I have had with overclocking was the X299 Dark with 7960X and 7980XE. Time will tell. I could probably sell two of my four desktops and cover a big chunk of the cost of the CPU, mobo and extra DDR5 modules. But probably won't. I am incurring a lot of unexpected medical expenses, so now is definitely not the time.

OK, I have tightened this up enough to not burn any more calories on the memory for now. I think I am going to lock this down and call it good enough for now. May try 8800 stable soon.

Got the 14900KS from @tps3443. Just starting with the tuning now. Not delidded and bare die yet, so Cinebench R23 is a little toasty without the chiller in my 78°F office.

Those are rare and I am still skeptical and do not believe that a 4-DIMM motherboard will ever match the memory overclocking abilities of a same-generation 2-DIMM motherboard. So, even it is does better and improves from what it does on Z790, I believe it will still end up being inferior to a same-generation 2-DIMM motherboard, which will make it undesirable. It would need to match the 2-DIMM speed, read/write/copy and latency in the same chipset/generation before I would say that 4-DIMM is an acceptable option for a new high-end overclocking motherboard. Matching the performance of an older generation 2-DIMM motherboard won't be good enough. In other words, your memory overclocking limits and performance would need be the same if you moved your CPU from a 2-DIMM motherboard to a 4-DIMM, with no loss of overclocking abilities.

💯 Yeah, totally agree. I think old habits die hard and it is a common myth among noobs that don't know much that having 4 slots is better than 2 "for RAM upgrades" but hardly anybody actually needs that. I can't remember ever needing to add more RAM to one of my overclocking rigs. I've only needed to do that on an old turdbook that didn't have enough from the factory, and generally that involves replacing low capacity modules with higher capacity, not adding extra low capacity modules. The motherboard manufacturers cater to the lowest common denominators, which makes sense to a degree. But, it makes NO SENSE on a high-end part that is targeted for overclocking.

You might be right, but I am skeptical and won't believe that until I see it. I believe it will be slower and have higher latency than 2-DIMM. If you are correct, then the 2-DIMM boards should easily hit DDR5-10000. And, that would make the 4-DIMM option unacceptable in the next gen for the same reason it is in current gen: inferiority. I honestly expect to see little or no improvement whatsoever in 4-DIMM memory overclocking. If anything, I expect 8000 to be a stretch and only with a better than average CPU IMC. Traces are too long and there is too much EMI/noise with the extra slots.

The Godlike board is a joke IMHO. The price is a joke and couple that with the effectively worthless for memory overclocking 4-DIMM configuration, it is a board made for stupid suckers with e-peen/self-worth issues, not enthusiasts. So, what are they all going to offer this go-round? Just one overpriced option for each brand that will sell out and be hard to find and everything else is trash? Yeah... sounds about par for the course.