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Are you planning to delid the 12900k? direct die? Delids do seem to give a nice drop in temps and even out the cores a bit.

The crocs match the furniture (and even the Samsung box) so there's that..... 😄

Welcome! 🙂 I knew you would join the club! I just didn't expect it so soon. When I'm getting ready to discuss something I want to buy, I usually start with a home made meal, make sure any chore list items are finished and then ask if there's anything she's had her eye on and try to establish parity in purchase desire. It works....sometimes. I really have no problems with MSI boards. I found their value Z590 board was a monster overclocker and I grew to like the BIOS very much. I was torn between the MSI Z590-A Pro and the Strix D4 this time around. They were my only two choices. I still can't stand Gigabyte boards. My hard limit for a motherboard is $350. $829 + tax is just crazy talk for my wallet atm. I take it you snagged the SP92 on ebay? That looks like a decent sample if that's the one you picked up. Those Hynix ICs are the way to go too! Congratz Brother!

Well, it looks like this is the place to be now. I advocated using all three sites while the smoke cleared and in less than a month it has done just that. I liked the approach here and Spartan's approach. They both felt like the old NBR in a good way. Hopefully either Spartan is working on something behinds the scene, eventually makes his way here or both. He's a good dude and a valued member of the community.

At those low of frequencies for laptops, Gear2 makes absolutely no sense in any way, shape or form. Gear1 should always be the default. Blame it on the OEM. With much tighter latency the trade off is astronomical versus minimal gains in bandwidth. My Acer Swift 3 in my sig is AMD based and runs gear 2 but at least the memory is at 4266. I still would have preferred 3200 Gear 1. It is soldered on which I loathe too. I had completely stopped visiting that site meaningfully for quite some time now. It was all about here and Spartan's site. I'm very glad @Reciever and @Hiew stepped in and are doing such an amazing job!

I usually use Snipping Tool included with Windows for all my screen grabs and such (unless full screen) for posting and saves. Give that a try too. lol, I have an i3-12100f being delivered to finish building out a low cost system with an Asus H610M-A! 12th gen is pretty nice to the point where a 12100f can keep pace with a 9900k for most games. It slaps down my i3-10105f that's for sure. Edit: I actually ended up switching to an Asrock B660M for less and it offers more. When going dirt cheap is the ultimate goal still try to extract the most bang for buck. Pure P-Cores and half the count at that leaves a nice bit of thermal headroom and yeah, you know they could open it up a bit but the 12100 definitely has to fit within a specific envelope for its target audience.

We watched, "Don't Look Up" on Netflix a few nights ago. Sad and funny at the same time. Lots of cameos. We liked it. I saw the first two Kingsmen movies and enjoyed them. I didn't love them nor would I rewatch them but I definitely did enjoy them. I'll definitely check out The King's Man next.

I must have read Chronicles and Legends at least 10x. I loved the stand alone novels too including Legend of Huma. We even picked up the cookbook and made several of the recipes from the novels. To this day I still can barely stomach Tasslehoff anything 😜 My favorite campaign settings are still Dragonlance and Forgotten Realms. SSI's Pool of Radiance was fantastic and I spent a lot of $$$ playing AOL's online NWN back in the day. Defender of the Crown is a top 5 game too. I originally played it on the C64 (which by your avatar inscription you know ALL about 😁) but the Amiga version (and that opening soundtrack) was legendary.

I can definitely tell the difference between 60hz and 144hz but I have no problems playing at 60hz for most games. My main 32" 4k display is 60hz but when I play on the two laptops I have that are 144hz or I use the dell 25" 144hz display I can definitely see the difference along with 1080p gaming is throwing out serious fps. @ryan I used to run a P870TM1 w/ a 1060 but with the WoW Shadowlands engine upgrade even at 1080p it was chugging in the 40's @ 1080p even at Setting 7/10 in some areas so I upgraded. After dialing in the CPU, GPU and especially memory I sit at 144fps Ultra 10 @ 1080p on the X170SM-G with fans never going close to max so I'm good to go.

I bought my unit used from a very nice board member back on NBR (he's also here if he's lurking right now 😀) so I didn't pay anywhere near retail new. Those who know me here know I never *EVER* buy laptops new. I always wait for used units and then optimize and tweak the snot out of them for optimal performance 🙂

I saved up for an Amiga 500 for in high school. I was lucky to get the color display for Xmas. No way I could ever afford a 1000 but I wanted an Amiga so bad so when I got one I was stoked. It was actually the first platform I learned 68x asm on so many moons ago. My favorite game (don't laugh 😄) was SSI's "Hero of the Lance" since I was a huge Dragonlance fan. I absolutely loved it in every way, shape and form. A lot of coding principles I learned moved easily right over to the Mac.

You end up needing something like a P870TM1 with its monster sized GPU vapor chamber. Absolutely a beast but beautiful.

I think it is also an issue of TDPs being constrained to match thin and light chassis and to help offset overall heat issues of a shared cooling architecture keeping mobile CPUs as cool as possible so they can at least boost as much as possible (which is usually not much). I wish there were options even for 200w+ mobile GPUs and let the OEMs decide what they want to do with it and how. TIM is a key issue but when the heatsink on some systems themselves aren't beefy enough you end up just soaking it faster and the heat can't be dissipated fast enough. The extreme example of this is Apple Macbooks when testing liquid metal on the lower and mid range of loads it provided lower overall temps as the anemic heatsink could keep up with the enhanced heat transfer but once placed under meaningful sustained loads it eventually throttled around the same point it just got there a tad slower. I agree it is good to see certain manufacturers like Asus and others finally creating secure, specialized heatsink pairings to use liquid metal now to eek out as much cooling as possible.

I've always kept a decent laptop and desktop combo for years. You get the best of both worlds. 💯

WOW....I am speechless. I've known you for over 10 years now and I can't recall you ever having such a bad run on CPUs or situations ever.

I voted for Notebooktalk too. It just seemed to make the most sense and still kept focus on the core mission of NBR but now with a fresh perspective and unshackled.

At this point, I would just use it as in its current config unless you absolutely need to populate all 4 slots.

The USB issue was the end for myself. As someone who works extensively with external media that was a deal breaker. 4x8 B-dies ran nice and tight. Outside of AMD purposely backing off of some boosting settings performance was good and you could always manually tune the CPU like Intel. With that being said, I'm like 99% sure I'm going to skip the 12900ks and give the 5800X3D a whirl on a budget board.

Hopefully you get a monster bin! And yeah, that would make three Z690 boards. I like the EVGA approach still the best overall but they are pricing themselves out of my league quickly even with the Classified clocking in at $629.99.

Nice ~12c drop from stock to pads + block! How does the EVGA test compare to mining which really gets memory nice and toasty?

That whole run of bad luck you had was crushing to read @Mr. Fox seriously..... 😪

EVGA Z690 Dark queue is open "only" $829.99..... https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=121-AL-E699-KR

For on the go rear laptop elevation I keep a set of these in my bag: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B08FDDWHMF/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Not sure if Prema is around but @Mr. Fox is alive and active on the forums....

I see value and merit in both big true DTRs and T&Ls. I love DTRs and they will be my mainstay ( because I like to tinker ) till they are grossly outclassed performance wise but I also keep T&Ls around (see sig) because there are situations where I'm not lugging my X170 out in the field or for onsite telemetry or Pi/robotics tinkering. I would also not drop thousands on a laptop with many points of failure that can render it pretty much DOA. GPUs have a higher rate of failure than many of the other components. System boards fail. I've had a few laptops have their GPUs die or their system boards die and I was able to source and replace that one part versus replacing the entire logic board. Soldered on ram and storage does send me into super fits (my Swift 3 has soldered on 8GB grrrr) but I also realize that is me and my preferences. In the end, companies want to make money and when they see market forces at play showing general consumers prefer lighter and thinner along with great battery life AND they can maximize profits? No one can be surprised at the outcome.