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7900xtx is still a beast, period. Still trading blows with the 4080 and 5080 in raster and the 9070xt at best can match it but usually loses in raster plus you get 24GB. Blocking and pushing 600w? Definitely let's see those results. 🙂

Nice! Congratz bro! I may grab one down the road, but for my use case I'm not seeing as reason atm. 2200/6400 tuned. The reviews show AMD having worked out most of the bugs and kinks of the 7000 series (which also translated down to it too). Imagine when you pair a 5090 with it. 🙂 I love the 5000 FE series. Elegant looking and compact. EK does have a WB for it. De8auer's is still in prototype/testing phase but the GPU is clearly meant to be run as is. I love the aesthetics of it and how it looks in the case. 🙂 But if I'm going to block it anyhow? I would look elsewhere. Gigabyte with a position on the board for a secondary power connector is intriguing. Trying to import a HOF 5090D if possible. In the end, I'd grab the cheapest 5090 with the block I want and call it a wrap. --- The one good thing about the 9950X3D is moving that 3D vcache under the CCD and pushing proper clocks to it now out of the box. Reviews stock for stock show it neck and neck with the 9950x losing a few and winning a few for non gaming purposes. Early reviews it is hard to determine bin quality, so best to wait till more samples trickle in before dropping $700+tax but everything is looking good so far. 9950X3D is a no compromises CPU now. You get proper gaming and 16 core magic but in all honesty, AMD has ironed out their core priority issues for some time now so even 7950X3D works as intended. 9950X3D clocks higher out of the box than the 9800X3D and the first thing I would do with one is turn off the non X3D CCD and see where the X3D CCD can go on its own as is like I did with the 7950X3D. Your incoming 5090 is going to be tapping its foot waiting on your current setup in many situations now even moreso than your 4090 did. Yep, the 5090 FE to me is the sweet spot because the odds of landing a $2k Gigabyte or PNY are slim to none. The AIB pricing is just crazy now. To me, the 5090 is a, "in for a penny, in for a pound" scenario. Either an FE or something like an Astral if you're going to go that HAM over it. And yep, AIBs are in it for maximum profit and while tariffs are valid you have to look at it from a few angles. How much is Nvidia charging AIBs? How much is Nvidia's actual cost per chip/mem? If Nvidia is able to sustain pricing even as costs/tariffs kick in, that means their margins must be good enough and they are actually raking AIBs across the coals leaving them with hardly any room which has been reported before. This doesn't absolve AIBs for being opportunists and jacking up the prices especially with such demand. Either way congrats bro on a 5090 AND MSRP!

Congrats bro! I also saw your other post on the OC forums, awesome fast sale on the 4090! You always have good energy and positivity so well deserved! For me, the 5090 FE is the way to go and is MSRP or a rare gigabyte/pny model. So far, you, @win32asmguy and @Talon have scored 5090s in our cozy little thread. Interestingly, I had a chance to get a TUF 5090 yesterday. My local MC had two in stock (one normal, one OC) and my boy called me up and told me he was in store with his girlfriend and could pick up both and did I want one of them as his gf could just buy it. I asked which one he was getting and he said the non OC. The OC is $2999.99 + tax = ~$3200. I told him thanks but that's a hard pass but I'll be over to play with his non OC when I get a chance till a properly priced 5090 passes my way. I literally told him, "offer it to tom. He wants one price is no object." He texted me back a few minutes later saying of course tom freaked out with 10 capitalized "YES!!!" in his message. 🤣 I just can't stomach that kind of price. At that price point, I might as well get an Astral and go full hog..... Yeah, the 9800X3D tuned w/ the 5080 I can finally hit some spots where I'm brushing up against 99% GPU utilization in spots the 14900KS was not. One spot is the theatre weekly outside of Dorngal. With the 14900KS at 4k Ultra 10 RT max it routinely sat in the mid to high 80's but yesterday was my first time doing it with the 9800X3D setup and to see my 5080 being pushed to 97-99% even with all that player data (server reset day = busy) was great to see. Cleared the first four raid bosses and while I do run into pockets here and there with sub 99% GPU utilization, the 9800X3D is definitely pushing the 5080 harder and I spent more times than the 14900KS in pockets of 99% utilization. And like I said before, using the Raider and the new BIOS stock on the road w/ a clean install WoW and FO76 ran fantastic especially FO76 which loves that X3D. 6 hour session and me looking over to my wife with a head nod and going, "this thing is solid" Even pushed to ~99%, my fps were ~66-70 over there showing a 5090 would definitely help my fps. With W11 especially, AMD and M$ finally have their core parking pretty tight for gaming and most tests are showing the 9950X3D / 7950X3D properly parks the cores when gaming at all times now. I noticed this last year with my MSI x670e Carbon / 7950X3D that you really no longer needed PL or to just turn off the non X3D CCD in BIOS to play WoW properly anymore. It worked as intended. As much fun as those HEDT chips are, they're no match for AMD, a properly tuned 13th/14th gen i9 or even a properly tuned Ultra 285k for gaming.

Temps look good! You have a lot of headroom for improvement but no way to push it. 😞 I know on the two Asus G18's w/ 13980HX, temps were in the low 80s for multi. Do a single core run and see where your temps go along with your score.

@Papusan Yikes! My cost? $3966 after tax so basically $4k..... Problem is basically zero incentive from Nvidia or AMD to keep prices low as the gaming segment of their revenue continues to be dwarfed by AI and other divisions and resource/fab priority places gamers in the bottom tier now:

Yep, things are proceeding as predicted. April/May things will really shore up. Good to see so many 9070xt's just languishing on eBay. Scalpers under estimated supply big time. $1999.99 or bust is my motto now.

Maybe they'll take mercy on us and split the difference and make it $3649.99.... 🤣 So it really is the 5700xt all over again. Bodes well for next gen.... I just want to snag an Asrock model to pair with this Asrock Z790i MB and keep it moving.

I suspect the LC variant will be going to $3499.99 sooner than later..... --- 9070xt is a certified banger especially at $599.99 MSRP (good luck!) If AMD launches a 9080xt w/ 24gb or a 9090xt w/ 32gb it could be a certified 4090/5090 competitor for raster.....

So I've been playing a good amount of WoW and FO76 on the 9800X3D + 5080 tuned up. The dip is gone. Completely gone. None, nada, zilch. Desktop responsiveness and game smoothness is beyond smooth. Raids are rock solid at Ultra 10 RT enabled 4k. I'm just going to admit it that I'm liking the x870e Hero more than my x670e Carbon. I love MSI, but this one is a solid win for Asus. The one thing the MSI could do was handle DR sticks better though. While I had tuned my memory before on the 7800X3D and 7950X3D, this time around I went beast mode on it and with all the extra time it sat in my test bench case, I tuned it to the next level and threw in some Karhu for extra measure at 2200/6400 along with a standard frequency OC so it is hitting ~5450 gaming. When I get time, I'm going to re-test/tune for fun at 8000+ on these TG sticks + I plan on taking this route with the MSI Raider and tuning. ---- With the 14900KS in the wife's system, like mine I gave it a complete breakdown and cleaning, new paste, and the SP109 14900KS has the same properties as my golden 12900K cool hand luke and is able to run at LLC1 no problem in the Z690 D4 Strix unlike the delidded 12900k I had in there (golden stock lid 12900K is in my NH55). As a result, after the cleaning, tuning, her system is running quieter with the SP109 14900KS than with the delidded 12900k and boosting to 6.2 on top of that in WoW while not hitting more than ~1.4v and staying below 70c on an EVGA 280mm AIO. Re-tuned the UV on the Strix 3080 and with the repaste + shoring up the pads it is making zero noise playing WoW too outside of a touch of coil whine on the Focus 1000w which can be heard since everything else is running so quiet. The Mrs has said it more than once now how quiet her system is when using it in general and gaming especially. Both systems are running stupidly quiet and when gaming all I hear are low levels of fans on the 5080 if the room is completely silent. With speakers on their normal gaming volume (not super loud), I hear nothing. --- I was going to sell off my spare components (12900k, Asrock Z790i Lightning, couple sets of DDR5, numerous 980 Pro drives, etc...) but my daughter and her fiance broke up and she has reclaimed their spare room (he wrecked it) and wants to turn it into her dedicated office/computer room and a dedicated desktop computer so the next project is to gut it, lay new carpet and a fresh coat of paint then build her a new desk, new gaming system and build out some new custom shelves. ---- 5090 Astral is officially $3359.99 = ~$3600 w/ tax for me. Insanity.... https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-rog-astral-nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-32gb-gddr7-pci-express-5-0-graphics-card-black/6614120.p?skuId=6614120 ---- And lastly, there goes the idea of a 5090ti..... https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-rtx-pro-6000-blackwell-leaked-24064-cores-96gb-g7-memory-and-600w-double-flow-through-cooler Absolutely no way Nvidia is leaving any extra $$$ on the table when they can pump out these full fat, memory laden monsters for a king's ransom....

Welcome to the 4k club brother! 🙂

This. Except maybe the laptop. I will probably skip till 6000 series. GPU? MSRP only and really I'm locked into an 5090FE for the price or an Asus if I feel stupid and silly with my $$$ plus it will match my MB. Coming along nicely!

If it ain't broke...... This P2 1600w has given me zero problems, and while correlation is not causation, every GPU I've tossed up against it has had low to zero coil whine and the PSU itself is dead quiet and runs crazy cool. I like the MSI, but there is no compelling reason to swap out especially since I only run tentacles because I don't care about aesthetics which is really the only reason NOT to use the included tentacles with your given card. It also gives you a layer of protection if the card catches fire. It is their included tentacle with their card not a 3rd party excuse. Really, zero reason to switch over. A solution looking for a problem. 🙂

Yeah I ended up sticking with my 1600w P2 EVGA PSU. Just a workhorse and 4 GPUs in a row with no coil whine. I have no problems running the tentacles at all for my cards and the PSU itself is crazy quiet. The MSI AI1300P 1300W PSU is in my test rig that I was originally going to switch to but I'm good. Couldn't pass up that open box $142 from MSI open box warehouse special! I also have an EVGA P2 850W and G2 850W on the shelf. Wife is still running Seasonic Focus 1000w.

Yeah 😞 As a long time fan, it came as a shock but she battled alcoholism for decades unfortunately.

Some of the 9070xt's are already closer to $1k at MSRP right out of the gate unfortunately.... Gotta hope to snipe a $600 model during these early days but as I said, the AMD scalping will be nothing like Nvidia scalping simply due to supply and demand. Watch how fast prices fall on eBay over the next few weeks. I have zero problems NOT buying a 9070xt same as the 5090. --- "easily" = that's just a conservative estimate and price would most likely be higher. 🙂 This 5080 FE really is holding it down. Aesthetically, I'd like a 4090 FE as that massive slab would look even better in my rig with it's industrial black and grey tones everywhere but performance wise, I'm good to go. A 5090 would be a pure, unneeded luxury buy at this point simply because I can afford it no problem. Smart buy? Nope. Fun buy? Yep. I may keep an eye out for a well priced used 4090 FE just for the build look.

Original KPE 3090 was $1999.99 on launch Price wise, it was $500 more than the 3090 MSRP ($1500), but it was still a fantastic card overall. MSRP for Astral is $3079.99 which is just bonkers though which is $3284 after tax for me. The hope for value is still to land an FE for $1999.99..... If there was a KPE 5090, I could easily see it being ~$3199

Unlike Nvidia, this will quickly run its course. Much greater supply and less demand overall.

Based on previous purchasing trends, Late April/Early May is my "secure by" month that would match 4090 Liquid and 3090 KPE at MSRP. The fact I dropped $2k on a 3090 KPE in 2020 which is $2428 in today dollars and balking at the same cost range (for the most part) for a 5090 is telling..... $2499.99 for a KPE 3090ti in 2022 = 2681 in today dollars. Hmmm, maybe my apathy lies elsehwere?

I just finished my 9800X3D setup tuned to the bone so I'm good to go for awhile now. Awesome Meaker! Make sure to put up some pictures and bench results! Yep, as predicted, by June things will look a lot better and prices slowly continue to come down even as availability is somewhat scarce. By September, we'll look back on January and giggle.....

100% agreed. Therein lies the problem for myself. I won't pay much (if anything) over the $600 point as it quickly loses value for me. I sure as heck won't pay >=$700. The exception was going to be the Taichi.... Just about as disastrous of a launch as it can get..... This. $600 is a fantastic get. $625-700 I'm losing interest. >$700 I'm out. The writing was on the wall actually seeing as how the 5090 desktop requires so much more power while laptops are still capped. It is the 2080 Super -> 3080/ti laptop scenario all over again.

At MSRP, it is the new price:performance leader on all charts. That's where it shines. It clearly beats the 5070 and trades blows with the 5070ti. RT has been greatly improved and is better than the 7900xtx in that category and in many games it is much closer to the 7900xtx than the 7900xt. $599.99 for the 9070xt is a fantastic price. "It is a great card for the price" is the final word on it. That's why I would only pick up an MSRP model. AIB pricier models and it quickly loses its value to me. Best Buy has 5 models listed, all XFX, and only one $600 model. The next is $750 and up they go. That's a hard pass on all but the MSRP. That's a sweet link to Amazon for all their models too! --- I was so disappointed to see the POS 12v-2x6 connector on the Taichi. That was heartbreaking. 😞 --- Here is a good review of the 9070xt from someone I like for AMD stuff who is unabashedly an AMD fan. It is showing the 9070xt, 7900xtx, 7900xt and 4080 Super all stock AND OC'd shootout for both with 9800X3D tuned up a bit. He was able to get his Sapphire 2 8-pin model OC'd to 3300 and it is definitely holding its own even against the 4080 Super and 7900XTX (while still losing though obviously overall). Massive gains in RT and it clearly outpaces the 7900xtx in RT but Nvidia is still top dog overall. Really wishing we could see a 575w 9090xt(x) level model with 24-32gb hit the market. This architecture has potential! $599.99 it is a banger of a card.

Pity, but in my defense, I'm still laid up sick so I slept through the launch this morning after coughing up half a lung all night...... The problem is too many consumers have money (or credit) and lack self control to understand they are being price gouged because they need the new hotness NOW!. Starting to realize the pure luck scoring a 5080 FE on launch day..... Ask @Prema about his latest MC update patch for laptops that address this issue specifically so you can keep it running on launch each time just to be safe.

For those who will be hunting a 9070xt, here is a very nice list of all the available models including all the 340w spec models courtesy of PC Builders. Sorting the list, and it looks like we have ~8 models with a max 340w TDP including the Asrock Taichi but it does use the 12v-2x6 connector. Asrock has 1 XFX is has 4 (all their OC models) Acer has 2 Gigabyte has 1 Yeston and Asus are unknown atm on that list. Newegg and BB don't have their listings up yet. List: PUBLIC - AMD 9000 Series GPU Models - Google Sheets Video: ---- Yeah it was day ~5 on vacation and it was a "down" day (translation, we walked magic kingdom the day before and covered over 9 miles of walking). Wifey had her Asus laptop, me the MSI and daughter was working on classwork, so we settled in to some hardcore playing and 6hrs later I looked up and just went, "Yeah, this thing is SOLID." Cleared all my raids, 5 mans, ORB and a crap ton of outdoor stuff. The big screen experience just can't be beat. Then I played some Fallout76 and yeah, that X3D and FO76 are just made for each other even on laptops. It smashed my NH55 even at higher resolution badly. I did have some travel planned for tomorrow but that has obviously been canceled but we have more at next month for an out of state wedding so it will get workout #2. And yeah, at its core is still the sus 14900 chip so be careful. I know @Prema had a MC update you could launch on every startup that would update the MC for laptops to give them protection but I'm assuming Acer already implemented it with a BIOS update?

That is a fantastic score bro! After using mine for a day or so as is to establish baseline metrics on the stock 1TB, first thing I did was update the BIOS, swap in a 990 Pro 2TB and give it another clean install. I'm real curious about the 9070xt. Pick one up to play with then upgrade the wife's 3080 is a potential. Looking at the reviews, better RT than the 7900xtx, falls right in between the 7900xt and 7900xtx but closer to the xtx than xt. Basically beats the 5070 outright and trades blows with the 5070ti all for 599.99. Go back through my replies over the last few years. I've always said the 7900xtx was an absolute raster monster even dipping into 4090 territory from time to time but definitely on par with the 4080/S/5080 overall for raster. I'm going to go cheap as possible. 🙂