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I knew I could count on you @Talon! My day 1 new Intel/Nvidia hardware source of info! 😅

The variance in Intel silicon is insane at every step of their V/F curve but on a desktop you just don't feel it much (if at all) in the lower end of the V/F spectrum with desktop cooling solutions and a basic air cooler thrashing many (if not most) of the laptop cooling solutions. I think I said this before, but when I was first binning 12900k chips, the one in the NH55 now stood out drastically versus all the others I tested before and after for running so much cooler and requiring only ~163w dialed in to pass CB23 full tilt on an AIO no delid or anything. I was able to run it at LLC1 on an Asus board and it just sat at ~158w-163w in CB23 looping. Fishing for a good 14900k is going to be even more problematic with the extra e-cores. I think @tps3443 sample is a good start since it has a majorly low 4300 V/F point vs most other chips (I think it was like 0.969 or similar). I've seen only a few 14900K chips with that same V/F point but none lower. Your 12900k is still a great chip btw. I took that one and put it in my wife's desktop which was originally running my binned 12900k and it's running quite nice on an EVGA CLC 280mm AIO delidded with the copper top you so kindly sent me and was much appreciated. 👊

You're going to want to ask for V/F curves from any potential 14900k chip you get to evaluate the 4300 V/F point and hope/pray it isn't a hot and leaky chip since we're dealing with such constraints. The binned 12900k from @win32asmguy had a fantastic 4200/4300 V/F point but it was just a hot chip in general so even delidded it throttled. On the other hand, the 12900k I had binned from launch always pulled less and ran so stupidly cool on my desktop that when placed in the NH55 (and UV, removing retention bracket and a few other thangs) it was able to not throttle full tilt running CB23. I'm still tempted to pick up one of those aftermarket heatsinks since they seem much beefier. As for the 8000 series chips, I'll probably wait for the X3D variant unless performance is SO stunning it can match the 7950X3D in gaming which I doubt. I don't think it's going to be a case like the 7700x (even the 7600x) beating the 5800X3D overall in gaming but you never know. 🙂

Besides @Talon (who we know will be getting one ASAP! 🙂 ), who else is picking up a 14900KS next week?

Loving the cards as always 🙂 As for YT, If you take it as a fun outlet, it is wonderful; but once you start trying to make it a money making business, like most businesses, it will fail and the work for casual when you want content vs the content YT viewers expect is massive. I've seen numerous favorite YTers just back off the money making model and go back to just enjoying putting up content when they want to and they've recaptured their joy and lowered their stress. I have a couple family members and friends beating their heads against the wall trying so hard to grow on YT and grow their brand and it's painful to watch. As much as I enjoy Ownordisown, I can clearly see what it hasn't taken off same as like BPS Customs. Two good channels that lack charisma (very important) and content production that are clearly below the production level of even a Jay or PC Centric or similar. It's not just about spitting information. I can go read that myself on numerous websites. It is about being engaging, personable and having good ole curb side appeal while presenting polished content that is engaging. Nevermind there are hundreds, if not thousands, of similar channels doing similar content. I always laugh when review embargos are lifted and the tidal wave of reviews that pop up on YT across hundreds of channels. Saturation is high plus a lot of channels that were getting extra views during the pandemic because people had nothing else to do now find their channels not watched as viewers have to prioritize their viewing time again as real life is back. In the end, do it because you want to not because you want to make money. OoD switching to a, "I am just going to stream and do product reviews live," might be the best approach as it has minimal time commitment or production costs.

What was the total transit time in shipping? It seemed to take forever. After a few whacks at retail samples, best move really was buying a pre-binned chip for a good price as that's much better than that first one I commented on over on the forums.

2-dimm board power flex on that 8600G and 8700G! 🙂 Nice IMC (2233) and sub 60ns latency, nice on the 7800X3D. Good work bro!

One in the hand is better than two in the bush...... I would buy and enjoy now and cross that bridge when you get there as advised by @Mr. Fox. I used to be an extremist "wait and see" kind of tech enthusiast but I've tempered that the last 12yrs and it has upped my tech joy level immensely.

In case you're wondering how the 7900xtx stacks up against even the 4090 @tps3443 it is a solid buy even at $1000 if raster is your cup of tea for your brother. Hardware Unboxed revisted the 7900xtx vs the 4090 back in January and it is ~12% slower at 1080p, 18% slower at 1440p and 21% slower at 4k on average for raster. It also grossly comes down to what games you play as for example the 7900xtx is actually faster than the 4090 in Hogwarts raster only at 1080p and 1440p but as expected gives up the ghost at 4k being 13% slower (again showing the 4090 really bares its fangs at 4k). You also want to make sure the games he plays aren't on the "problems" list like WoW or it is going to be a miserable experience. If your brother games at 1080p and 1440p the 7900xtx begins to make even more sense depending on games. If RT is at all a concern for your bro....well.....it's a blood bath and 4090 (and subsequently 4080) will just crush it badly.

I think the 7900xtx is a fine card as long as you do your homework. I must believe in it as this is my third whack at trying to fit a round peg in a square hole. I try to shy away from facebook for selling some items when possible because of the sheer stupidity. I find most just, "want to play," and do not care what's under the hood. Next tier kinda know the buzzwords and shop by that. You then have the semi-knowledgeable. Then you have us (with variances within). Then you have the hardcore Lummi's, Cen's and such and finally you then you have the Buildzoids and NWRs types. Fantastic kit that performed as advertised. I ended up selling it when I went back to all AMD at 6000 2x32GB dialed in after testing and realizing AMD is not ready for prime time yet but getting there. Hopefully their new chips will take advantage of their version of Intel gear 2 even moreso. Next time around, I would like to see a killer 2-dimm AMD board from MSI considering the 2-dimm Asrock B650 $75 special was able to hit 7866 stable and 8000 unstable while my 4-dimm carbon gave up the ghost slightly below 7866 overall.

So: What is his budget What model(s) was he considering What is his current hardware What games does he play

Ugh, the torture..... the beauty of the GPU crushed by the Crocs! 🤣 I must have really been sleeping on MSI once I stopped using their 1722 series of laptops back in the day. Any particular reason he's not going with Nvidia? I mean kudos with the 7900xtx though. What games does he play and what model(s) is he considering?

I kid. 🙂 These small compact units can still hold it down no problem. My wife is running a Seasonic GX-850 and it is about that size. It is a workhorse. My daughter's system has an EVGA G2 850 in it and it, too, is a work horse but it is much bigger. My test bench has an EVGA P2 850 and it's bigger and my desktop an EVGA P2 1600w the same size as ypur 1300 P+ I would have just picked up a 1600w and called it a day..... This new "minimal" @tps3443 does have me concerned. Tap the "z" three times if you're being held against your will..... Last few returns took extra long. I do know Amazon recently implemented much more thorough return procedures and returns are no longer instant for many electronic and pricier items especially either shipped from Amazon or Amazon Warehouse. When I returned the Asus Z790i Strix board, they received it on January 11th and it took over a week for them to say they were processing my refund and it would be credited in 2-5 days. It stayed stuck at that step for almost three weeks and I had to contact customer service to manually process the refund. When I returned the MSI 7900XTX, it took over three weeks for them to acknowledge and process the refund. When I reached out during that return (it was returned October 2023ish), they said the return was still being processed after a week. Their more stringent return process is fine by me as I think fraudulent returns are starting to impact their bottom line enough for them to step up their return vetting system. This is how I always bypassed it too when needed. Most times I just let Windows do its thing especially with older hardware. Did you use the latest windows media creation tool that is 23H2? Something new learned today! I'll have to give that a try next week when I pop in my own drive for a custom install on my daughter's desktop to really test out the 7900XTX in there without disrupting her setup. I'd personally take the drive and get the 5800X3D for $70 smackers more, but that's just me. 🙂

Awwww, that's so cute and adorable.... 🤣

Got around to installing the Powercolor Hellhound 7900XTX White edition in my daughter's system and WoW is still a hot mess and still won't work with DX12 and DX11 is a crashing, stuttery mess....... I did play a bit of Hogwarts to make sure everything was good to go for her tomorrow (she's ready to replay it now a year later) and yeah.....that 7900XTX just destroys her old 3070 badly (as it should). I turned on all the eye candy and bumped it up to 4k and her 12400 is bottlenecking the system now hardcore especially in Hogsmeade. Hogwarts would compensate for limited VRAM by downgrading assets and it was readily apparent. Now everything is lush, full and beautiful. Let me see how long it takes for her to notice the graphical upgrade in game (the monster chonker of a card I had to angle in on a diagonal might be a give away!). I like the way it looks in her system though. Timespy run x 2. Good temps and especially hotspot temps! Standard ~29k out of box score.

From your past adventures, I'm surprised you didn't go for a 1600w or close PSU. 1000w seems kinda conservative for you. First you get an R batch 14900k and don't even delid it Second you back away from top end and go 4080 Super Lastly, you opt for only a 1000w PSU stepping down from 1300w You feeling ok @tps3443???? 🤣

I have never encountered that changing settings piece meal but I haven't installed the newest BIOS yet just the previous beta. I was going to update this afternoon and give it a whirl. Was this happening to you on previous bioses or just this newest one? ----------------------------------- Cache is king and scarily so. For me, this is shown in Fallout 76 where it absolutely loves that cache and the older FO engine can basically fit inside of it at all times producing a scary performance leap over Intel. I would love to see Intel somehow integrate an X3D type stack on their chips comparable to AMD:

Of course the day right after I install the last beta and go through my whole process! 🙂 I'll install it today still. Beta is working fine but never hurts to have the officially goodies. Glad it dropped before I did my deep dive in some OC'ing benching and data collection.

LOL, I can wait. I'll just sit back and wait for that initial rush to subside then BOOM snaggeroni! If we look at the performance gains from nvidia in their tik-tok type of Intel cadence, I expect blackwell to be pretty beastly and it might be why AMD has already basically given up the ghost in competing on the top end this cycle and has intimated the same for next cycle. They're bringing everything they can full bore but Nvidia is just a juggernaut giving serious performance gains each generation. Imagine if Intel and AMD had provided the same generational uplift with their CPUs? Very beautiful! I've been a sucker for EVGA since back in the 6800GT days when I picked one up for my Power Mac G5 Dual tower back in 2004. I've always loved their cards and they just kept getting better over the years. I still miss them in the GPU space and while they've shifted to PSUs and other peripherals, I still check their website and forums. You need to make a custom display case to house your current and incoming GPUs with a small brass label under each one showing the name and highest score achieved. 🙂 I dunno if Bruno is "thrustworthy" but hopefully he's trustworthy! 🤣

Installed the latest BIOS and recert my memory before a clean install. After clean install time to get in there for some OC tweakage with the 7950X3D.

4090 consistency in gaming and Nvidia's overall better features/package can't be denied. The dip is real but unless you're a pro or hardcore, it really is much ado about nothing depending on the games you play or want a locked refresh rate that's pushing the edge anyhow which for an esports gamer I can see being a must. I'll be sticking with my LF II 420 for now until a compelling reason presents itself to upgrade/change. The noise:performance is quite nice. Have you done the delid and testing yet? (Maybe I missed it). The good thing is you can bench with it off for personal benching. The bad thing is you can't submit them for inclusion on the bot. They should really do away with it seeing as all lower tier cards don't have it. On the stock vBIOS and AIO I hit ~2820-2835 out of box and with a standard OC, I game and bench at 3120+. Memory does +1600 solid or +1700 for benching on my MSI Suprim Liquid X 4090.

Welcome! 😁 Mine is still in the box brand new lol.... Looks like AC wanted to control the entire mount from insertion to pump block. I like the idea on paper, but I would have preferred a standard CF included that was tested and paired with their normal mounting mechanisms. This would allow you to use theirs or somebody elses. LF III shines in performance:noise ratio. One thing I love about the AC LF II 420 is how quiet it is even gaming or handling small little CPU busts when surfing and such. Even though the LF III is louder than the II, it is still best in class for providing high levels of performance with the lowest noise. Noise normalized, it is #1. Not sure how you're going to void your warranty when the contact frame actually helps prevent any potential extra stress or warping. If you're stupid enough to answer yes to Intel asking if you used a CF, that's on you.

What @Papusan posts above... What I see below! 🙂 🤣

I thought the same thing. "Looks nice but did he take this pic with a circa 2000 digital camera?" 🤣

I'm Gen-X too. 🙂 I used to love Kmart. That was my favorite "that type of store" to shop in ever since I was a kid but they've all shut down. I really do not like Walmart at all. Target is like a slightly fancier Kmart. Yeah that MSI is slick. I'd get one of those in a modern version and @tps3443 it does kinda give Suprim vibes! Hopefully better results than with the EVGA.