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At MSRP, it is the new price:performance leader on all charts. That's where it shines. It clearly beats the 5070 and trades blows with the 5070ti. RT has been greatly improved and is better than the 7900xtx in that category and in many games it is much closer to the 7900xtx than the 7900xt. $599.99 for the 9070xt is a fantastic price. "It is a great card for the price" is the final word on it. That's why I would only pick up an MSRP model. AIB pricier models and it quickly loses its value to me. Best Buy has 5 models listed, all XFX, and only one $600 model. The next is $750 and up they go. That's a hard pass on all but the MSRP. That's a sweet link to Amazon for all their models too! --- I was so disappointed to see the POS 12v-2x6 connector on the Taichi. That was heartbreaking. 😞 --- Here is a good review of the 9070xt from someone I like for AMD stuff who is unabashedly an AMD fan. It is showing the 9070xt, 7900xtx, 7900xt and 4080 Super all stock AND OC'd shootout for both with 9800X3D tuned up a bit. He was able to get his Sapphire 2 8-pin model OC'd to 3300 and it is definitely holding its own even against the 4080 Super and 7900XTX (while still losing though obviously overall). Massive gains in RT and it clearly outpaces the 7900xtx in RT but Nvidia is still top dog overall. Really wishing we could see a 575w 9090xt(x) level model with 24-32gb hit the market. This architecture has potential! $599.99 it is a banger of a card.

Pity, but in my defense, I'm still laid up sick so I slept through the launch this morning after coughing up half a lung all night...... The problem is too many consumers have money (or credit) and lack self control to understand they are being price gouged because they need the new hotness NOW!. Starting to realize the pure luck scoring a 5080 FE on launch day..... Ask @Prema about his latest MC update patch for laptops that address this issue specifically so you can keep it running on launch each time just to be safe.

For those who will be hunting a 9070xt, here is a very nice list of all the available models including all the 340w spec models courtesy of PC Builders. Sorting the list, and it looks like we have ~8 models with a max 340w TDP including the Asrock Taichi but it does use the 12v-2x6 connector. Asrock has 1 XFX is has 4 (all their OC models) Acer has 2 Gigabyte has 1 Yeston and Asus are unknown atm on that list. Newegg and BB don't have their listings up yet. List: PUBLIC - AMD 9000 Series GPU Models - Google Sheets Video: ---- Yeah it was day ~5 on vacation and it was a "down" day (translation, we walked magic kingdom the day before and covered over 9 miles of walking). Wifey had her Asus laptop, me the MSI and daughter was working on classwork, so we settled in to some hardcore playing and 6hrs later I looked up and just went, "Yeah, this thing is SOLID." Cleared all my raids, 5 mans, ORB and a crap ton of outdoor stuff. The big screen experience just can't be beat. Then I played some Fallout76 and yeah, that X3D and FO76 are just made for each other even on laptops. It smashed my NH55 even at higher resolution badly. I did have some travel planned for tomorrow but that has obviously been canceled but we have more at next month for an out of state wedding so it will get workout #2. And yeah, at its core is still the sus 14900 chip so be careful. I know @Prema had a MC update you could launch on every startup that would update the MC for laptops to give them protection but I'm assuming Acer already implemented it with a BIOS update?

That is a fantastic score bro! After using mine for a day or so as is to establish baseline metrics on the stock 1TB, first thing I did was update the BIOS, swap in a 990 Pro 2TB and give it another clean install. I'm real curious about the 9070xt. Pick one up to play with then upgrade the wife's 3080 is a potential. Looking at the reviews, better RT than the 7900xtx, falls right in between the 7900xt and 7900xtx but closer to the xtx than xt. Basically beats the 5070 outright and trades blows with the 5070ti all for 599.99. Go back through my replies over the last few years. I've always said the 7900xtx was an absolute raster monster even dipping into 4090 territory from time to time but definitely on par with the 4080/S/5080 overall for raster. I'm going to go cheap as possible. 🙂

Unfortunately the downside of many modern laptops and why I tend to gravitate towards the same models many times. It comes down to the BIOS options primarily and then cooling. MSI really is one of the few mainstream laptop makers that still gives users the options they want. You just have to plug in the magic code and voila! There you go. What's most painful is going into the Asus BIOS screen of their laptops and it initially looks like their fantastic desktop variants till you try to do anything meaningful. Then sadness washes over you. Gigabyte used to give you decent access to their BIOS options. I am not sure if they do anymore. And of course @Prema is still out there working with a lot of the OEM rebranders injecting his magic to give users access fo a proper BIOS. Yeah, she's doing better today. PulseOx is back up to 97 and climbing and, ah, *we* decided she wants the CPU and SSD upgrade but that's it so I ended up spending today breaking down her system, giving it the same TLC, popping in the SP109 14900KS and upgrading her 500GB WD SN750 to a Samsung Pro 1TB along with a BIOS update, clean install and tuned up nicely. One thing I did not know is the newest BIOS releases for the Z690 D4 are really locked down hard with the Intel restrictions and it makes it a PITA to get things to open back up for some proper dialing in. That was fun.... Yep, it was an absolute joy to use for two weeks on the road! Zero complaints and as I said, that was just with the newest BIOS installed and optimized defaults. Now that I knocked out our desktops, it is up next for some tuning/tweaking fun. I will say before the bios update, there was a tiny tiny bit of desktop stuttering. Not a deal breaker, but there but after the update it was gone so I took a, "if it ain't broke don't fix it" approach at the time and ran it default out the box. I do know the fans simmered down a little too from the first few days of using it before applying the bios update to where I barely noticed them on vacation except playing WoW. 🙂 The 7000 X3D chips with the cache on top are so finicky and sensitive to heat I can understand why but that extra 40w would help to push the performance. For games, it never gets close to cap though for me. Steelseries? Ugh. They did the same thing with their desktop offerings too. My new desktop mechanical keyboard from them won't retain the proper settings. I zinged them in the review over that. They don't retain the full set of controls anymore and you have to have the software running now at all times. With the MSI, the blessing is you don't need MSI's bloated suite anymore to control the RGB or keyboard. The curse is you now need GG. Those prices are simply outlandish. Like I told @tps3443, this will be my daily driver for at least a few years so the 3yr extended warranty is a must. Same for him.

lol, that's my generation too! I used to attend any and all Quake based cons and lan meet ups back in the day and had a Sony 21" and a monster tower fully loaded! I miss those days too. So much fun. I couldn't wait for each year's DCcon where we Quake'd for 3-4 days in a row culminating in a 1v1 tourney.....

Nice! And yep, that's exactly how 12th on up will respond. They boost till throttle as is so that better cooling= more performance. If you can get TS / XTU running somehow, you can dial in an UV and get even more performance out of it. Did you get some before screen shots/ data to throw up to compare directly with after?

Retested and still popping positive, but feeling well enough to move around so...... Spent last night slowly swapping over to the 9800X3D. Once I had the case broke down I realized that LF II 420 AIO has been mounted and uncleaned since 2021 🤢 Broke the entire case down, complete cleaning. Soaked the rad ( crazy but it had a complete wall of crud and it was still performing beautifully), cleaned the fans nice and sparkly new. Redid the rear wiring so I could actually put the back panel back on. Aesthetically, everything really matches nicely with each other I also spent awhile taking measurements and putting the 420 and a 360 rad I had in various positions to start laying the groundwork for the loop that is on deck to see if I want to stick with this monster case or maybe look for a different style. I want to go with a 420 in front and a 360 on the bottom and maybe avoid the top and run the case open framed as is but a top rad might for shorter and cleaner runs from the CPU so we'll see. The bottom has the room for a super thick 360 while still having room for a floor mount pump/res (sitting in box brand new) or space off the back fan mounting area. I'm still looking all over the place for the missing I/O slats..... I had already tested/ tuned everything before I left for vacation. Here are my final memory tuning 2200/6400 on 1003 (1004 is available, but unless I find a reason to upgrade, I'm good). I tested four sets of sticks: TG 8200 2x24GB G.skill 2x24GB 6400 Crucial 6400 2x16GB G.Skill 2x32GB (aka "le grand échec") 🤣 TG sticks were vastly superior to all of them followed by a distant second G.Skill 2x24GB (decent little bit of tuning in these) an even more distant 3rd Crucial 6400 (these sticks had absolutely nothing to give) and lastly those defective G.skill 2x32GB sticks. The wife, even in her weakened state, is balking at the tiny Z790i Lightning motherboard. She likes the aesthetics of the Asus D4 Z690 so I'm unsure if I'm going to do a major upgrade to her system. I might just end up selling off that MB and CPU (14900KS SP109) but we'll see.

Remember, this is laptop cooling and RPL. Ever since 12th gen, these beasts routinely spike to 95+ if not 100+ and that is "normal." I'm not saying the LM application / cooling overall couldn't use some loving, but you will need to not only do that but also find a way to UV that 14900HX to get it under control. Also, silicon quality comes into play. On both my Scar 18's with 13980HX's, the modest BIOS 0.080 UV was absolutely mandatory and more would have helped if able. You will need to research how to enable (if able) Throttlestop for that Acer to get it under control after having exhausted every option opening it up and tuning it up physically hardware wise. That is your first step because I can guarantee that 14900HX is sucking down way more than it needs. On this MSI, the CPU never even approaches thermal throttling nor the GPU so that's not even an issue and I haven't even re-tuned everything BIOS wise after the latest BIOS upgrade which means things can only go up. This newest BIOS update really makes it viable to run right out of the box as is. I am unsure what issues/problems @win32asmguy had to address via the BIOS before but having used it complete stock/optimized defaults with this newest BIOS update the last few weeks with a clean install on the road, I've had zero issues, zero overheating and it was just smooth sailing (minus the covid of course lol).

I'll have to get back in there and load up my chosen benchmark spot in WoW which pushes every GPU so far to 99% I've tested including my previous 4090 consistently but I remember playing during vacation noting the MSI had much better temps than the Scar 18 I tested and that was running a 4080 but 7945HX3D vs 13980 / 14900 might not be a fair comparison since they share cooling.

Welcome to the big screen brigade! I'm telling ya it is painful traveling and working on a smaller screen. I did lug an 18" external USB-C powered panel with me before with the NH55 which worked great! The panel quality was sus but 18" 1080p was very nice to have vs 15.6" 1080p. I come from the generation of carrying around Compaq luggables that weighed 18-20lbs easily and I loved 'em! Like I said before, my favorite second laptop of all time (ironically AMD CPU powered again) was the M-ALX from Alienware pre Dell. Loved that 19" behemoth. 🙂 First will always be the P870 series. That was magic times from my first P870DM to my last P870TM from HID. Thanks brother! I was running that version. Before, I actually installed Rivatuner externally because the newest beta was newer than the included version, but with the newest beta AB, the rivatuner included was actually newer and still no luck. Absolutely get the extended warranty. The 3-yr extended warranty was actually the final selling point that pushed me to pick up @win32asmguy MSI Raider 18 as it will be my daily driver for next few years and a good warranty is a must. Remember back in the day with Alienware laptops? The Dellcare warranties paid for themselves over and over especially the 5yr warranties. Or just ride your 4090 till a xx80 class beats it and then settle into that class. Alternatively, you can try to find the sweet spot for used but the prices are just insane until it implodes. I think once (hopefully) AI hits a wall and/or AMD makes a meaningful attack, the future will be a smidge brighter. The fact we're waiting and lamenting for 5090's to be available for "MSRP" which already is insanely high is telling.

Thanks brother! I'm hit pretty hard, but nowhere near like in 2020 where I was out of commission for 6 weeks. Interestingly, I've been rocking this Oura smart ring for over 6 months now and I've had a head cold here, ear infection there, sinus infection, etc... and it hasn't even budged, but this? First time it tripped a biometric alarm/alert letting me know my body is encountering something straining my body majorly and to shut it down. It has tripped 5 days in a row now except finally today it tripped but said the stressors are now minor but still present. This is the sickest I've seen my wife ever in our 28yrs together. She's been to urgent care twice already, loaded to the gills with inhalers, steroids, antibiotic (secondary infection protection), mucinex, coughing liquid AND pill and we're just watching her pulse ox now. If it dips to ~92 or below (currently 95), off to the ER she goes. ------- The artifacting is so odd because it doesn't do it anywhere else. When I had those dying sticks of memory, artifacting and issues were everywhere and eventually I ended up RMA'ing those set of sticks for a new set and all those original problems went away with a replacement set of 2x32GB sticks except WoW which was suffering the dreaded, "The memory can not be read" error which means either the OC is failing or the memory is failing outright. But this issue is just odd as World of Warcraft just goes bonkers with the 5080 and the 5000 level drivers. It's not a deal breaker as I've just been using Nvidia's performance monitoring software as a stop gap, but it is reproducible consistently even after a clean install. Once I'm back to full(ish) strength, I want to get the 9800X3D set up and see what happens. -------- I think I can sum up the market right now to me and it is absolute apathy atm. I think I would be a bit more excited if the 5090 was cheaper (better bang:buck) that makes the 4090 and 5080 look like absolutely smokin' values atm (assuming MSRP of course). For the price, I am very curious about the 9070xt and might pick one up if I can snag it for MSRP. I'm trying to figure out why this is happening only in WoW and only with AB running. Fallout, Wukong, FF, Deus Ex, 3Dmark, etc... all work fine. I definitely had a bad/failing set of sticks that was causing crashing/artifacting everywhere and those were RMA'd but this was a timing issue that this is happening now too isolated to WoW (or at least WoW only in regards to my limited test bed of games/benches). Not a deal breaker, as I just use Nvidia's built in tools that work well enough but still annoying. I did notice (after @Mr. Fox noted maybe a clocking issue) that when I run AB, it is locking my clocks to ~2595 when it will normally run 2750-2805 normally for boosting no matter what even after all the updates even running AB stock with just monitoring enabled (except power). I just need to suck it up and platform swap and get it out the way for other testing. I think I'm well enough today to get it started..... 🙂

All of thee above. I just don't have the same zip, zest or pop this generation like before. False scarcity, bad product launches, outlandish pricing (even this generation of laptops are insanely priced) and more. Mediocre gains really and regression in some areas. Meh... I was pleasantly surprised to see AMD returned to a monolithic design with the 9000 series GPUs though.... Total skip on the Ultra 9 285 but I could see it being something fun to play around with. Hero w/ 9800X3D is sitting on the table fully setup and tuned ready for the swap, but i'm still rocking the 14900KS rig atm but that will be changing once I kick this covid I brought back with me from our two weeks on the road that has me and the wife laid up atm. I haven't actively looked for a 5090 in weeks but @Talon the whole camping out vibe is so cool. Reminds me of lining up waiting for the first few WoW xpacs when they dropped, speaking of which: Here's WoW still having problems with Afterburner and artifacting/glitching with the newest drivers and newest patch on my system and the 5080 in Dorngal even after a clean install. I'll be curious to see if this goes away or something changes when I swap to the 9800X3D. With the previous 4070 Super installed no problems. Zero issues on the MSI Raider 7950HX3D/4090, Asus Vivobook w/ 3050 and Ultra 9 185, or wife's 12900k+3080 when running Afterburner/Riva.

I don't mind him using reference clocks on the 5070ti as long as he uses reference clocks on the 4070ti for comparison. He does note in his benchmark footage they are reference clocks but overall it makes no sense to be locking the clocks at all. Just let the card run as intended. He does let the 5070ti flex its clocks later with it hitting 2800mhz+ on versus the 4070 ti Super in Monster Hunter Wilds at 4k Native High showing a boost of ~10% (!): (Timestamped) Which model 5090 did you end up with and picked up from where? Congrats! Here's hoping Nvidia didn't learn from the 4090 BIOS freedom and lock down the 5090 down to the ground.

"The market dictates how much a product is worth. It isn't good or bad." He's not wrong. In a free market, supply and demand will quickly determine a products value. With supply so constrained and demand high, pricing is what it is. But we've already seen prices coming down as the "price is no object" crowd as been satisfied and while the prices are still crazy high, at least it is officially under $4k for FE 5090 and under $5k for Astrals for many listings.

Tossing the "5080 is a 5070ti in disguise" argument out the window by comparing previous generations performance wise and plotting their performance data points. I said this before in this thread. Somewhere people arbitrarily started to associate cuda cores with class of cards and nowhere did Nvidia ever present or imply that. Basically, YT and some users set up their own strawman to knock down.... (Timestamped)

I was wondering the same too but we now know the Titan is going to be $6k+tax yikes.

Unfortunately they do not offer an 18" version. 😞 I've always been a 17.3" or greater type of laptop owner since the Alienware M-ALX 19" was introduced. Only twice did I use a 15.6" model in all those years as my daily driver. Alienware 15 (920mx + 260m on launch) and the NH55 (last gasp DTR'esque laptop).

Titan is $1.1k more = $5999.99 + tax Raider is offered with Intel or AMD for the exact same price for the 5090 variants at $4899.99 We are officially in insanity land.....

"It seems like RTX Blackwell is experiencing silicon degradation, which means that over a period of time, we might see several SKUs pop up with missing ROPs or something even more significant, depending upon the actual issue with NVIDIA's silicon. An important point to note here is that NVIDIA says that their upcoming "mid-range" GeForce RTX 5070 GPU won't be affected by the issue, indicating that Team Green might have resolved the silicon defect, or at least found a workaround." "seems" "might" "depending" That is outlandish postulating of the grandest scale. How did wccftech even make that (il)logical leap based on what?? And the fact they claim the 5070 won't be affected implies they found the defect on some units. Have there been reports of some units reporting full ROPs then after X amount of usage the amount drops? "It seems like gremlins are afoot and might entering locations with known RTX 5000 units and fusing off some of the ROPs at night depending on whether they've been fed after midnight...." Never fall down the negative FUD trail....know when to pull up @Papusan 🤣

I don't know if I'll ever buy new again for laptops.....the pricing is truly insane for 18" models. I have no problems shifting permanently into perpetual used mode.... Full ROPS, no coil whine on my 5080 FE, purchased for proper $999 retail from BB standing by... 🤣

MSI Raider 9955HX3D w/ 5090 = $4900+tax? Wha...... https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100157995 601470204 601411480 600553911&Order=1 Asus Scar 18 275h + 5090 has priced up since "tariffs" to $4499 + tax.... https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16834236578

No matter how you look at it, continuing to try and implement systems that prevent scalpers from snatching up all the product for true users is a positive. Asus is going to charge these prices regardless of whether scalpers snatch up the products or not. The prices are here to stay and hopefully do not go higher in the short run to then set a buffer to "discount" them in the future when the market normalizes (which is already is slowly). Of course selling directly cuts out reseller pricing and allows Asus to keep that extra bit of profit too so it is definitely not a 100% altruistic act on their part. But still a right move for those who truly want a card to use.

The uplift in overall performance and especially in 1% on some games is absolutely banger with the 5090 vs 4090 approaching 50%+ 5090 is definitely a beastly upgrade across the board vs the 4090 but again pricing and availability at launch are horrific. It pushes the 4090 definitely much closer to the 5080 than the 5090 in performance. It will. The lack of new cards, EOL of older cards and market conditions are at their worst atm. 9070xt launching soon (I will assume AMD has been bolstering stock on top of initial stock) and Nvidia ramping up production will ease demand accordingly. A year from now we will revisit this..... Tariffs are a factor of course but they don't really factor in atm because of insane demand for, well,everything atm. What is consistent is the constant outlandish MSRP increases from Nvidia which serves as the anchor pricing upon which all the other factors come into play producing absolutely outlandish costs and availability at launch. Looking at ebay and StockX, prices are starting to come down already. Here is an example of a garbage tactic from an ebayer trying to imply he sold 24 5090 FEs at anywhere near this pricing. Newsflash, he did not. The trick is to set an initial quantity sale to 25 then reduce stock to 1. For some reason, eBay will show the others as sold so you get the impression the seller only has one left in stock. I've been following a few 5090 FEs and watched them start at 6k+, then in the 5k+ range and now in the 4k+ range from established sellers clearly with product in hand. Everything is moving as expected. Could it suddenly go against past trends? Absolutely, but we will see.