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Ugh Crocs 2.0 🙂 Personally, one of my favorite things of this thread (amongst many) is you benching old GPUs on new hardware and seeing it pushed to their max.

I tried giving the unlocking BIOS feature a run provided by @ViktorV and while everything unlocked everything I do doesn't change anything for the memory timings. I tried XMP and custom XMP changes and nothing adjusts. I'm wondering if this BOXX BIOS (1.07.02) is suffering from the XMG plague and is incompatible with acknowledging the unlocking changes. What is the best, known BIOS to use with the KM to use with the KM to run the unlocker that is known to work? I'll give that one a try.

The actual design of the PCB of the Asrock is the best of all the 6900/6950xt cards. Over-engineered past what was really needed actually for most use cases (See: Suprim vs Trio or bottom barrel Gigabyte 4090). If Gigabyte slaps a higher boost on their 4090 vs a Suprim or HOF that doesn't mean its better. That is just marketing and sales tactics. Same applies here for XFX. They build some tank like cards but the actual PCB design is inferior to the Asrock. Even if it boosts 300mhz+ higher (exaggerating) the design still is inferior on a hardware level. Does that mean anything in the end? Maybe when pushed to the absolute extremes but it is what it is.

The actual PCB design and power delivery of the Asrock trumps all other cards including XFX. Factory issued boosts never tell the actual story of the silicon or board design.

Plus that is the best of the best class 6900xt card. The Asrock Formula OC 6900xt/6950xt have the best PCB design of them all (nevermind the beautiful aesthetics).

Shipped and on its way....🙂 Thanks again @1610ftw!

Nope, frequencies are locked down with the most recent BIOS to 4800. Even if you pop in some 5600 sticks, it will default to 4800. Asus says a BIOS update in the future MAY allow faster speeds.

X170SM-G complete system SOLD to @1610ftw!

Yeah it was pulling ~ 176.4w at stock:

X170SM-G system is tentatively sold....

That's a great picture of you two benching it out! 🙂

OMG, I saw the first set of pics and I immediately thought, "Johnksss looks a hell of a lot like Carl Weathers!" 🤣

BUMP.... I adjusted the total system buy price and config. I need room. Even having sold off 4 laptops I still have 6. I have both my KM and SM listed on eBay as complete systems here for $1599.99/ea KM: https://www.ebay.com/itm/175636232343 SM: https://www.ebay.com/itm/175636386845

I use TM5 and Windows Memory Diagnostics. You can throw in old school memtest in there if you like too.

I'm glad to see at least Asus breaking away from the forced pairing of top tier CPUs with top tier GPUs. There are many who want the best CPU and only need a mid to lower range GPU for their needs. Overall though the 4070 is disappointing compared to last gen 3070ti. If you want good GPU performance this time around (relatively speaking) it is the 4080 or 4090. They both greatly distance themselves from last gen GPUs. 4080 beats the 3080ti by 25-30% and the 4090 beats it by >50% but is expensive.

I see the 4070 version is $1999.99 direct from Asus available now. 4050 and 4060 models here but no pricing/availability specs yet but if the 4070 is $2k maybe $1800 for the 4060 and 1700 for the 4050? Wonderful time in the market atm since AMD is bringing the heat with their 7000 series of mobile processors Intel is going full tilt at better pricing this time around. The fact Asus is going to offer all the perks of their 18" Strix with consumer choice of GPU all the way down to the 4050 is pretty righteous.

And this is why Intel didn't hold back with top end 13th gen mobile processors this time around at even better pricing. AMD bringing the heat! https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-strikes-back-Ryzen-9-7945HX-beats-Intel-Core-i9-13980HX-despite-much-lower-power-consumption.698349.0.html Limiting it to 120w, 13980HX = ~28333, 7945HX = 34521 still. Note how for a brief moment the Apple M1/M2 chip was perceived as so good and now it is just getting destroyed in general compute tasks.

Asus has brought a full on 18" Ada powered, Raptor Lake drive laptop this time around for 2023. They are available in all Nvidia flavors from the 4050 up to the 4090 allowing users to determine their price range based on GPU/Mem/SSD with all models using Intel's top of the line i9-13980HX Raptor Lake based CPU with all other stats staying the same. Information, drivers and support How it looks: First impressions were poor as the stock install kept freezing and wouldn't allow any updates (Nvidia drivers) or changes. The real culprit is Armory Crate as always. After picking through the registry and services I just decided to give it a clean install. Make sure you're running BIOS G306 or later. Do yourself a service and enable BIOS control vs Amory Crate control in the BIOS and make your adjustments there. The only downside of not running Armory Crate is you get the default rainbow keyboard pattern but it is more than worth the trade off as you can undervolt and more right in the BIOS if needed. Fan noise under load is some of the best I've encountered. Definitely not quiet, but compared to my old MSI and Clevo's it is more than acceptable. There have been numerous reports of GPU coil whine and I can confirm it is there but nothing like a desktop GPU can produce (or my model happens to have a very low amount). Display is very nice but there is a lot of glow and bloom along the bottom. No bad/dead pixels so that's always nice. Keyboard is great and well spaced. I'm so used to Clevo X170SM/KM models that the G18 feels very light. Performance of the 4080 is great along with the 13980HX. It basically performs on par if not slightly better than my Desktop Strix 3080 + 12900k. Temps were good especially for multi as 11th, 12th and 13th still love to push single core to the sky at the cost of bouncing off of 100. I'll end up slowly working an undervolt in to see where I can adjust that while keeping Multi high as the unit topped out at 86c all stock running CB multi and sustained 120w no problem the entire run. Memory timings are as atrocious as expected with DDR5-4800 memory. It will be interesting to see how far it can go with 5600+ memory as they enter the market. Stock runs..... CB23 (not pictured, but single run = 2105). Timespy: AIDA64:

I saw this the other day and immediately thought of the episode with Howard and Raj too! 😁

In my dream scenario MXM continued on and true DTRs with desktop level components had at least 1-2 models across 2-3 brands year in and year out but we are the minority and that isn't what actual consumers want or need for their day to day needs or desires. 😞 So far so good. No dead pixels so that's a plus. Absolutely dead quiet during setup and updates. Let's see when I bring the stress and heat later....

Seeing the lifespan you extracted from your P870DM-G I have no doubt brother. 🙂

That would make for a great write up and posts actually. Hope you do order it and light up the MSI laptop section with some quality, indepth posts. I've just accepted market forces have spoken and BGA is basically it. The NH55 was the last, partial hurrah for a hybrid DTR (everything interchangeable except the GPU). Alienware, then MSI and finally even Clevo have fully left the "desktop hardware in a laptop" market. It's a sad, sad day but it is what it is. There was a time where it was predominantly all big and thick laptops with a small bit of lighter and thinner laptops but as time passed the market spoke and we progressed to where we are now. Bean counters only respond to what sells better and material costs overall to maximize profits. The point is the vast majority do not want to lug around monster sized laptops with poor battery life. They want light, battery efficient laptops first and foremost and raw power second. We are now officially to a point where those last gen (and older) true DTRs just can't keep up with this new BGA hardware on any level. 😞 Based on reviews, it looks like you could get the GT77 4090 in the same playing field as your stock 3090 desktop so you would have a comparable mobile workstation of serious power. The leap between last gen laptop 3080ti and this gen 4090 is massive yielding an overall gain of 50%+ across 1440p and 4k and 40%+ at 1080p. Even the mobile 4080 crushes the 3080ti by 25-30%.

7900X3D wasn't even on my radar. I'll be waiting for the 7800X3D to see some better priced final results and not have to worry about scheduler issues. I like them both but I'm leaning towards the Apex a bit in that match up too. Both are priced out of my acceptable motherboard wheelhouse either way. Last time I clung to an OS was Windows XP. After that, I kinda just go with the flow and install the new on its own partition and go back and forth till I am ready to make the switch. Windows 11 isn't bad at its core. What is bad is Microsoft using it as a means to data mine and push all types of services I don't want. There is no long term value in just selling the OS and that's that. Now it is a continual dynamic money making entity to the detriment of the end user. Windows 11 just extends that model moreso than Windows 10. But at it's core? I use it on multiple machines and it gets it done. If M$ wants to make me jump through hoops to strip away as many unneeded services as possible, challenge accepted each and every time.

lol, I like how he thinks he has some god like knowledge of memory tuning and system optimizations that no one else has...... He definitely craps all over EVGA though. 🙂

Apex Z790 vs Kingpin Z790: