electrosoft

If you can't think of a use for a second 2080, sell it. How did you end up with 2x of them in your TM?

Not sure which case you're using, but I know I had an old Thermaltake Tai-Chi case back in the day and it sent a few motherboards to their graveyard due to shorts. I used to line the perimeter of motherboards and add insulated washers to the posts after a few motherboards died. I used that case for well over 5yrs though. Huge and heavy with enough sharp edges to give the Iron Throne a run for its money I loved it. Having gotten to know you over these I want to say past 10yrs on the forums (or close to it), you seem very detail oriented and highly technically skilled so generalized user error seems to be close to 0 but sometimes it is the most outlier of situations where you rely on a parts supplier to having done enough testing to rule out what could clearly be seen as red flag conditions. If you still have interest in the platform you could hunt down another case or even use a plastic protected post open stand and see how it fares. Or just sell off the parts and move on to new adventures.

Newegg had / has a massive drop of 4090s and 7900xtx's happening now if you're looking for one.... Edit: And they're all gone. I ended up ordering an MSI 4090 Liquid X and cancelled my 4080 since all my BB coupons are now expired post holidays. I still plan on testing the 7900xtx extensively seeing as I have 60 days to return it to BB and I'll see if I'm keeping the 4090 or 7900xtx and putting the differential back into my account. Seeing @Papusan and @johnksss have garbage memory OCs, I'll be curious to see if it was just random Silicon curse or a 3-peat trend.

Yep, I use no online keychain anything even Apple. As much as I love my iphone/ipad, I keep everything external and portable. Keeping anything like this in a cloud based service is just asking to be compromised. Once compromised, all your information is open for the taking.

Yeah this was a proper case in point from early revisions to near end game versions of the bios. It is my certified SL SP101 cool hand luke that is not leaky at all to boot for X170SM-G use as I yanked that one and put in a Celeron G-5900 before shipping it off for repair. I also pulled my Corsair 3800 sticks too and put back in the stock 2x8GB sticks. Don't want anything to go "missing" while the faulty GPU is replaced. Better to be safe than sorry. Speaking of SP not being the end all of all, I actually tried an SP114 10900k in my X170SM-G a few months back from a guild bud who let me give it a whirl as he was upgrading to a 7950x. I never got a chance to test it on a desktop (didn't have a MB then on hand) but it was super leaky and ran 10c+ hotter than my SP101 in my X170SM-G same test conditions. I even re-delidded/relidded it to make sure. It ran slightly lower Vcore under load but spit out much more heat. Wish I had a Z490/Z590 board then though to see where I could take it on the desktop as it would clearly shine as I pushed it above 5.1 with better cooling. Thanks Bro! Definitely feeling physically better. For V/F's you would also need to view them external of the BIOS (XTU) because before the update my V/F was all wrong. It was reporting an SP71 but with 5200/5300 only needing 1.138 which was way off. Once updated, it adjusted it back to its proper reading. We went through this with early Strix Z690 BIOS too but not as severe as after a mid cycle major update my SP went up by one point (!). Others ranged from going down 1-5 points to up to 1-3 points as Asus made adjustments based on continual refinements. Even now you have to jump through hoops to get the Strix Z690 BIOS to properly read the SP on a 13900k (Update ME, Update BIOS, unseat/reseat CPU, check....). My Z590 will never see a 4000 series but yikes....Asus "magic" I think my main problem with MB makers and the industry as a whole right now is the gross uptick in MB prices overall. We lament the GPU industry but MB prices are soaring up like crazy overall too. I was already on the fence with Z790 but those prices definitely put the brakes on everything. Tonight's fun time project..... (Not the $100 new open box special Asus Z590-E binning board. It is already installed in my test case).

Massive SP change in action....today finally installing this Asus Strix Z590-E in my testing case after the worst December of my life (understatement): Before BIOS 0902 After BIOS 1701

Overall 7900xtx and 4080 beat a 3090ti in gaming but nothing earth shattering....nothing that would make you stop and go, "whoa." I will say the 4080 does run much cooler and pulls much less power though while outperforming it so if those additional metrics are of concern to you, it does increase its value especially depending on your high load uptime and energy costs. I'm 99% sure I'm going to cancel my 4080 FE. I'm just not excited over it in any appreciable way especially knowing the 4090 is out there. This is a good review on the 4080 vs 3090ti I've been a diehard WoW player since launch and I've played since Jan 2005 so it is my mainstay and metric for performance. I've never played at less than 2560x1600 resolution even back then as my rig was an Apple Dual G5 tower w/ an Apple 30" display but as time has passed so has the increase in graphics and CPU requirements as the engine has gone through 4 major upgrades that require current content to really take advantage. The last major upgrade was the Battle for Azeroth Xpac where it got a major rewrite then Shadowlands where they added in 1st gen RT. Dragonflight extends that a bit more. Up until earlier this year, Fallout 76 was trash on PCs but finally it is coming into its own with real fps and the ability to take advantage of CPU and GPU upgrades properly. I've been playing since August 2022 and I very much do enjoy it. I'll end up benchmarking it too. It doesn't support RT though (which isn't a bad thing). The blessing and the curse with Asus BIOS and SP rating is nothing is set in stone as it continues to be refined with subsequent releases especially early on. I saw several 11900k's have their SPs change based on the BIOS installed with my old Z590 Hero and I suspect the same will happen with this Z590 Strix-E I picked up brand new open box for $100 recently for some more future 10th and 11th gen binning fun albeit the BIOS is as refined as much as possible. Since I know have an X170SM and an X170KM, time to casually spin up the binning station.

On the other hand, lest we forget the 3090ti can still bring the pain.... I said it before and I'll say it again. If you have a 3090/3090ti the only real upgrade is a 4090.

Monstrous 50+ game title shoot out. The differentials based on exact games played is pretty staggering comparing AMD vs Nvidia. It ranges anywhere from a 4080 substantially beating a 7900xtx up to a 7900xtx sitting at or closer to 4090 levels performance than the 4080. Always hard to find real, valid WoW or FO76 testing/comparison between cards. Hardware Numb3rs seems to have gotten real spotty posting lately which was my go to for WoW benchmarks. Hopefully he gets something up sooner than later.

Yep, Best Buy. If you're near a MC that is always the easiest check too. Hopefully they will offer a GH1600 model too for those who want a bit more of overhead and punch.

Beautiful setup and SP113 10900k? Mmmmmm........... that's a banger of a chip right there!

Re-ordered an XFX Merc 7900xtx with 10% off coupon from BB. Should be here later this week for some more comparisons and analysis especially against reference card data and hotspot inferno on the PC 7900xtx. RTX 4080 still sitting at BB for pickup but I'm going to extend that pickup window till at least the 12th while I work with this XFX 7900xtx a bit personally against my 3090ti data and my Strix 3080. I don't know if I can stomach a 4080 at the price analysis and wanting to go 4090 if I go that direction. Happy New Year everyone!

I would never expect 2022 prices to match 2020 prices. That doesn't make any sense on any level just based off the CPI. Let's give Nvidia a ~10% profit bump since they are a for profit corporation and their job is to deliver maximum value/profits to their share holders. Let's even toss in 2020 inflation in there and we're looking at what? 15.1%? 4070ti = ~690. Nvidia 10% profit courtesy bump = $759.99 ($799.99 retail) (Not terrible. Not good) 4080 = ~805. Nvidia 10% profit courtesy bump = $899.99 ($1199.99 retail) (Highway robbery) 4090 = ~1726. Nvidia 10% profit courtesy bump = $1899.99 (An actual much better value than the 3090) The 4090 is clearly a "good deal" (relatively speaking). 4070ti isn't full on highway robbery but protect your valuables. 4080 is flat out robbing us blind. I'm not sure what laws Nvidia would be breaking in regards to the FTC setting their own prices. It is early on but AMD continues to sell out everywhere. I'm sure by ~Feb 2023 (30-50 days from now) we will really get to see things settle down as we emerge from the holiday season and start to move into GPU saturation a touch past early adopters. I've seen plenty of 4090s stagnating on eBay now at their inflated prices which is a good sign. Applying these metrics to AMDs cards the 7900xt/xtx: 7900xtx = ~1151. AMD 10% profit courtesy bump = $1266 ($999.99 retail) (an actual much better value than the 6900xt) 7900xt = ~746. AMD 10% profit courtesy bump = $820 ($899.99 retail) (Not terrible. Not good. Same as 4070ti) I'm not sure what kind of "price cuts" people are expecting but for starters the 4080 definitely needs to come down to reality. That is just gross profiteering. 4070ti and 7900xt could also use a shave. 4090 isn't going anywhere down price wise and neither is the 7900xtx anytime soon. Well yeah no way AMD is going to stand up on the podium and go, "Yeah we totally screwed the pooch on this one." 3rd party designs aren't suffering the same fate luckily. Looking at some MSI/GPUZ logs today from our WoW FP DF runs, it looks like the PowerColor 7900xtx he picked up (and has since returned) to MC was indeed hitting ~110 on the HS numerous times with throttling. I'm going to just (re)pick up an XFX Merc 7900xtx from BB and retest again since it has one of the beefier custom HSF out there. Hopefully my 10% off coupon still works (fingers crossed).

So it's the actual reference VC causing the problem... I'll have to re-review the WoW data we collected with the Powercolor 7900xtx. It might have been a throttling issue in there too.

I'm curious too about what is the best set of PnP DDR4 sticks of 3200 ram both primary and terts out there for laptops. Closest we have for a YT round up and the effects of better memory on fps is from Jarrod with a x8 / x16 comparison:

I mean will you extract maximum performance out of your 4090 at 1440p ? No, but it will lead the pack no problem. It just really shines at 4k where it definitively separates from the pack. You will pack plenty of headroom as games get more taxing at 1440p along with it having more scalability as CPUs get more powerful too. I'm all for going for the cheapest models since many still tend to clock up 2900+ but for the cards themselves, if price is no object at all I would go for: MSI Suprim X 4090 Asus Strix 4090 Asus TUF 4090 ZOTAC RTX 4090 AMP Extreme AIRO isn't a bad pick either. My picks for 7900xtx models would be: Nitro+ 7900xtx vapor chamber XFX Merc 7900xtx Asrock Taichi 7900xtx

For a standard 2560x1440 170hz screen, 4090 is going to run into some CPU bottlenecks from time to time but frame rates will never be a problem for quite a long time and it will grow with several generations of CPUs till equilibrium is established. Specs wise, that looks like a really nice display. A 4090 will be situational overkill till with time it isn't. You will outlast your warranty before the 4090 becomes the problem. I used to say high refresh gaming was overrated but like I said before using my wife's 60hz old school 30" HP display (which I used for years) is painful now after using this 5120x1440 144hz display. Even switching back to my BenQ 4k 60hz G-sync display is noticeable. That chunk is nails on the chalkboard. I've turned into THAT gamer now (hangs head in shame). In order of 4090 cards now non FE: MSI Gaming Trio 4090 (Non OC edition) $1599 USD Gigabyte Windforce 4090 (Non OC edition) $1599 USD Asus Tuf 4090 (non OC edition) $1599 USD

Good thing it is going out for repair. While doing the clean test install the artifacts kept getting worse and worse till it shut down and now won't boot (blank screen) and all I get is a series of yellow blinking lights on the front indicator light (left one between the two) before it then settles back to green so some diagnostic code. It ships out tomorrow.

I'm still holding onto hope to get one in before the 1st (long-shot.com) But then there's this too:

They keep snatching defeat from the jaws of victory and dig themselves in lower and lower. From the massive oversell to the issues to the purposeful limiting I'm kind of at a loss with AMD this time around..... Double glad I cancelled my 7900xtx order from BB. 4090 definitely cheap as possible. $1599.99 model especially with silicon lottery in play and the subpar performances of the Suprim Liquid X 4090 reported here by @Papusan and @johnksss. Still hoping I can snag one off of BB before this 10% coupon expires. Any $1599.99 model will do but it isn't looking promising. 😞 4080 FE @ 1079.99 is ready for pickup (with rewards $1024.99 + tax). I'll let it sit there till after the new year.

I just flipped through the pics and yeah it clearly was dropped at some point or another with that corner damage and that crack across the back. Seeing the BIOS screen it is clearly a SM and Prema enabled. He sells a lot of Clevo systems so I'm not sure why he has it listed as a KM. lol, two different PSUs. I've never even seen the other model before. As always, you never know the age/use of components inside. I state this as I'm finally shipping off my X170SM-G tomorrow for a long overdue repair on the GPU.

No RT on in this comparison. In a raster shoot out the 7900xtx is actually a decent card with ~4080 levels of performance and some of the games that favor AMD put it closer to a 4090 than a 4080. For a pure raster gaming card I'd have no problems using a 7900xtx depending on my preferred games.

Looks like someone snatched this one up so it's gone. Only one left on eBay is a "X170KM-G" but it has a 10900k and 2080S? Looks like some light physical damage too for $1400.00 https://www.ebay.com/itm/275480705689?epid=13056675991&hash=item4023edfa99:g:saQAAOSwgaxjNjcz&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA4IlCNM0VPjO6z7nVNIZO1KlhpeINPo4yDXkxNWYhEzbUjx0SB4Mz%2BqlK7Z%2BcGSQKPlYyZM3Qv%2BwJndDNqFNhBJeKxuPF5%2FPfmSlOeg49FtDHd6MdRFSvcq%2FaKRKnd%2FD0bOJVmucANNIuUAb1I0DeXyUyBl1f8KJHZHtkg%2FjrZLFnmAb6X9KqFoWjwQ8XTLLvqs1rSR2xm5uxMmkEX0KapSuoPpwvT3s4sxAg1XjK5oQYYm9he6gaeWs%2BPOrZAZHkbSs78wrCqDGn%2FMa4CA%2BkZnnStDfOIphRMiiIJHL%2BqUsv|tkp%3ABFBMpoTFrKth

I just double checked all the reseller links in the main page and RJTech has indeed dropped it. All other links still work though. You will just have to pick one up in a min config (CPU/Mem).

With the way Ampere and ADL is designed, the only real way to hit those next tiers is with next level cooling which is what the KPE 3090 was designed around and setting world records like the top tier HOF cards. Outside of that, meh, silicon lottery comes into play and it is what it is. 😞 If I picked up a 4090, it is going to be a $1599.99 model same as a 4080 $1199.99 model but if you're an Asus fan and want to pony up $1549 for a 4080 or $1999 for a 4090? Meh, it's your money have at it. 🙂 The one trend I've found in regards to feedback consistently is those who both buy and sell tend to leave feedback more often. Straight buyers view ebay like they view Amazon or Best Buy and tend to not leave feedback same as they tend to not leave reviews. It is frustrating sometimes especially if you don't sell often and your feedback can slide off the 12 month window. As for eBay selling, I used to do my due diligence on local forums but the much smaller pool of buyers simply do not want to pay what most products can and do command for re-sale. Factor in ebay fees even and you can still get back more (sometimes much more) than selling on local boards. eBay having moved the entire buy/sell chain in house and extended security checks does make it a touch more safer for sellers and vastly safer for buyers but in the end outside of cash and carry, bank transfer or to a degree FnF with PP, you are still at the whim of the buyer in many cases. At least with eBay you can establish a track record of sorts in case something happens that will give individual cases more scrutiny than standard CC protection. Very solid truth right here unfortunately.