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Well at least you gave it a proper run through and looksy for comparison. What was your final take vs your NH55JNNQ? Are there any reviews up of the Precision 7770?
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
If prices keep dropping like this on used models so am I or a Strix 3090. If I can get a NEW 3090ti for $1539.00 everything adjusts down for me mentally both new and especially used. 3080ti's new are ~$1100; 3090 new are ~$1500. Pre-owned KPE 3090s are sub $1500 on fleabay in BIN fashion and a few in auction format at ~$1100 atm. I'd say you might be able to get one for $1250. Strix 3090's are right around $1250 average sale price too. Prices will keep dropping. Companies like Gigabyte get it and are slashing prices massively on all their cards vs be stubborn and sit on inventory. I'll wait till I find a hidden gem around $1k for a 3090 and pick one up as prices continue to crash. I waited so long for the 6900xt to drop that eventually the 6950xt was announced and I didn't want it anymore. -
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Wow, that is a fantastic deal. Probably some hesitation because that is a rev 1 apex board. -
Agreed, the actual performance for GPU is extremely close to the 12900h and that noise under load is insane. I think the idea was to dissipate the heat at a much higher rate to compensate for the thin and light heatsink design. It does work to a degree but again that thing under load is ridiculously loud. It was usable in silent mode but the fps did take a major hit. One thing I do like about MSI is their almost desktop level BIOS on their laptops once you open it up with the command sequence. They do this on all their models and the only thing that holds anything back is the CPU or chipset limitations. I wish other manufacturers did this with their laptops. I still can't get over those fans.... Are there any comparisons to their phase change thermal pad and stock tims/lm for comparison anywhere?
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With the way the market is heading in terms of real DTRs and the costs of pseudo DTRs (GT77, Scar 17), an SFF with a portable 17.3" LCD and a good TKL is a very viable option when you are needing a system in a location for hours or days and not quick portability site to site. GT77 has 4 memory slots and M.2 bays which is pretty extensive and good temps even under load. Depending on what Clevo does next time around I'm thinking a nice, small SFF with a wireless KB/M combo and 17.3"-20" portable display.
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I was watching the review a few minutes from Jarrod. 24k CB23 for single run before throttling. Sustained runs = ~20k. Plenty of GPU power (relatively speaking) and Timespy = 14k+. It definitely is a powerful machine. No doubt about that. It is also insanely loud under load but 4 fans will do that for ya but the fact it can sustain 4.3ghz all core under stress tests is very nice! No way I'd pay $4k to $5k for a laptop.....ever.
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Yeah, pricing is continuing to crash downward. Brand new Gigabyte 3090ti is now $1539 and everything around it is falling. Asus of course is holding steady on a lot of their pricing down to the 3080's even but I expected no less. They always charged the most. Story of my life.... 😁 -
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For gaming, yes. For MT loads and benchmarks, the e-cores activated still give better overall results. With e-cores disabled you do get all the cache for the p-cores and better ring and AVX512 (if your chip and motherboard support it), but it still can't beat MT with e-cores enabled. I disabled e-cores for about a month playing WoW and it definitely helped a bit but everything else was slower overall so I re-enabled them for D2D use. -
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It could have went the other direction and been worse so that's good. Free minor performance bump! -
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KPE 3090ti end of month release limited qty if anyone has queued up for it (anybody?) -
Have you tested the pull from the wall under load to get an idea of how much juice its pulling?
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Congrats on picking up another Z690 MB and an Asus no less. Yeah, an SP84 would be going right back. Many (MANY) BIOS revisions later and the Z690 D4 is finally coming into its own. With the 1504 BIOS update those sticks I bought from you now actually boot at XMP along with two other sets of sticks that would bork out and required manual tuning from ground zero vs setting XMP and tuning from there. I just started the process of re-tightening the timings and testing with the new BIOS to see if I can get closer to 40ns latency with them. And Armory Crate may be the worst of the worst. It is beyond garbage. The fact GPU settings don't stick and as soon as you lose power they're gone is ridiculous. I wish more companies took EVGA's approach (everything sticks even GPUs and KB/Mice) or Asrock which puts a limited addition of their RGB controls right in the BIOS for controlling lighting. -
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Sorry to hear bro but at least you're out there taking calculated swings and chances. I have at least 3 of those under my belt and one of them had me liquidating a large chunk of my collectables years ago to make ends meet while I recovered due to a bad business partner. You'll land on your feet. Good luck! -
Did you ever test your chip to see how it rates? (Plat, Gold, Silver). I know also when tuning my brothers B550M + 5600x I went with CO vs static because his workloads are very light and at most he plays fortnite with a 1650 so for him he will most likely experience the nice sc boosts but he wanted a smaller form factor so I built him an mATX Gigabyte system and tuning CO coupled with the 240mm I put in there and the system usually stays near dead silent for everything he does and the GPU is loudest component. He's had it for over a year now and loves it but he said it is running a smidge louder and laggy so I'll give it a yearly tune up. But when I had my 5800x system running WoW shadowlands (my main game) I would hit raids and PvP and see that ~4.9 boost drop to 4.7 or lower and at that point there was no advantage especially after I went back in with CB23 to root out varying core instabilities under load and found quite a few core loads (let's say 3 cores) would crash under load but 1 or 8 wouldn't. It would depend on the load and how many cores were being pushed. If you're ok with a dirty OC and instabilities that are there but don't affect your workloads that works too. It definitely does depend on the tasks at hand. You can run CB23, start with a single threaded run and slowly start adding in threads per 10 min runs and you will find instabilities quickly that will force you to back off of aggressive CO offsets quickly and/or your clocks will tank. In the end, whatever works for you I just prefer consistent clocks and stability in all scenarios but whatever gets you those fps! 🙂
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Ditto. The wife lets me know daily she's ready and has reached the point of when I ask her, "where to?" she said, "I don't care. Just....away." First time ever after all these years, though, she wants to make sure I have a gaming laptop set up for her to take with us so she can play WoW and stay connected to work since the Pandemic they set up a whole remote network infrastructure. -
5600x is actually one of the recommended CPUs for the 15" XMG model and most likely the most optimal one to use. Depending on the game you use it will vary how hard it hits the CPU and I don't like fluctuations when gaming as loads can vary that is why for my 5800x I just went static all core @ 4.7 as I found it bouncing all around with dips below 4.7 at times. A game like BFV (or similar) that can hit the CPU decently hard and on multiple cores would most likely run better fixed and OCd but a game that hits it lighter and SC would not. Basically, It is a case by case and I don't like that. I like to know where my CPU will be and where it will stay. I wanted to like CO but that -30 CO would crash and burn under real loads unless you have a golden of golden chips. Once I actually started to dial in my CO profile and run real loads or even games like WoW and observed the CPU in action I would see too many fluctuations between ~4.9 and 4.5 especially in raids and PvP. I mean in the overall scheme of things it isn't a deal breaker or maker either way but I prefer consistency and stability and just scaling cores under CB23 would BSOD my 5800x so I had to start lowering my CO and even with a golden chip for true stability I found CO was sitting in the -5 to -15 on some nowhere near -30 which really was for very light loads. Even through it all I liked my Tomahawk X570 + 5800x + B-Die combo but the USB ports and the issues (which are still a problem for many users to this day) was a deal breaker for me as I work extensively with external media and to have them just time out up to the day I sold it and moved on was unacceptable. AMD is promising decent OC and boosts on their next gen chips so we will see what they bring to the table. I'm hoping its something juicy because the baby cores approach from Intel stacking on more e-cores is not too exciting.
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I definitely think they will keep tumbling down. We've reached the point where KPE 3090's are now in stock normally too but EVGA is still listing them at full $2119.99 MSRP. Even 3090ti hybrids are fully in stock at 2199.99 and I suspect they will be sitting there rotting IMHO. -
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Absolutely and to watch the market disintegrate like this is rather satisfying..... -
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Supply and Demand in full effect; Gigabyte 3090ti $500 off $1649: -
@jaybee83 actually has a G.Skill 3800 rated DDR4 kit in his but I don't know if he's been able to get any type of access to timings yet.
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Unfortunately that will still only get you so far limited at 88w trying to shoehorn a 5950x and leave you at the mercy of varying boosts depending on load (which can be good or bad). On my 5800x desktop after optimizing CO and PBO after the Ageisa update that neutered it I ended up going classic static OC for consistency and stability. Still, it is better than nothing if you're trying to extract optimal performance of the 5950x in a severely underpowered chassis. X170'esque chassis would handle a 5950x with ease. I wish Clevo would offer a 17.3" DTR but as @1610ftw said hopefully Clevo will offer something compelling with AMDs new lineup along with 13th gen.
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This. Clevo had a golden opportunity to really apply all those great power limits and cooling to a much less power hungry and better CPU (before 12th) with the 5000 series and did nothing with it. If they took the hardware of the X170SM/KM and made and had made an AMD variant? I would have been all over it. Hopefully they do something with AM5 better than trying to shoehorn a 5950x in what is available now and fight an uphill battle and still never achieve proper 5950x performance even with all the tweaks.
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That looks beautiful bro! Looking forward to the results. @win32asmguy Any updates on your NH55?
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Yeah, Prema on the KM is basically done. Too many issues. @Sydneyblue so you sold your KM to turn around and build an 11th gen rig vs 12th gen?