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  1. electrosoft
    I suspect the 12600 will run into the exact same issues as the 12900 as a non-k bin I would not be happy if Clevo isn't giving full W10 support but there might be a way to get it to work hopefully. Yeah, I binned multiple chips. 1x Amazon, 1x Newegg, 3x Best Buy, 1x an Alienware OEM. All binned and tested in my Strix Z690 D4. The Newegg chip was the best of the bunch. It ran well enough that I even sold off an SP94 12900ks at cost to a buddy as on the top end for day to day it only ran 1 bin higher (5.2 vs 5.1). Both could do 5.3 all core (KS did it at ~30w less though) and both turned into uncontrollable monsters at 5.4 pulling 330w+ which overpowered my AIO. This SP91 from Newegg was the clear winner hands down. Setting even the 12900ks to stock 12900k clocks, it couldn't touch this SP91 and required 175w when dialed in vs the 155-162w on this SP91 12900k. I think I even mentioned it in the Desktop thread on the old forums when I was binning this one the first thing that popped into my head was, "Damn I wish Clevo was making a 12th gen laptop. This chip is golden for that form factor." And I'll take 90% desktop performance in that form factor all day. In an X170 / P870 style chassis this chip would blaze and run full tilt with the 200w PL and heatsink in those monsters.
  2. electrosoft
    For your thermal limits (PL125 / PL150) a NH-D15S is more than sufficient. I just finished swapping everything over to my mentioned hardware above to test and the 180w single fan aluminum air cooler I listed above was more than sufficient for testing and never broke ~65c. As for testing, locking in a PL of 125w and everything on auto no uV or LL calibrations resulted in a CB23 score of 24056 and a max temp of 65c which beats HWU 12900k same motherboard and test by ~1000 points as it is giving a little more punch at the same power threshold. Playing a bit with LLC, since PL is locked you don't get a dynamic trade off and greater Vdroop = lower scores. So it looks like at least a somewhat optimal score for a PL125 lock would be ~24k which is only ~3k off of a normal 12900k running stock. The cores were clocking in around 4.3-4.4 on average running @ PL125.
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    I was wondering how the fans worked/sounded under normal use. The poor X170KM had so much against it from super hot 11900k chips to a less than optimized cooling system to a locked down BIOS and more. I said it in the other forums, but going from a Prema enabled, hardware modded X170SM-G to the KM was an exercise in frustration getting the 11900k to run full tilt which I did get going with no throttling but relying on CCC was nails on the chalkboard. The 12900k locked in at PL 125w should/could produce a CB23 score of a low of ~18810 up to ~23000 if thermal constraints aren't an issue and depending on sample. This is from a review of budget boards from HWU and you can see the range of scores achieved (VRM temps pictured) after ~1hr CB23 so you are definitely in the ballpark for PL1 limits: The board I have is the Asrock B660 Pro RS which definitely enforces 125w limits. The air cooler installed is this model with a 180w TDP. Right now it is keeping a 12100f(65w) ice cold: http://www.idcooling.com/Product/detail/id/276/name/SE-214-XT ARGB I'm trying to get a window of time to swap it over and test. I had the 12100f system up for sale but I took it down just so I could run these tests before putting it back up The only problem is reproducing any potential thermal constraints since at PL 125w you are seeing some thermal issues. If you do pick up another (unless they're near identical silicon) you will immediately see a potential difference using stock and then matching uV steppings.
  4. electrosoft
    I have no plans on getting one till RPL where hopefully I'll just pick up a used/discounted unit and slide my 12900k right on down and then build out either an RPL or AMD 7000. Hopefully in the next 5-7 months a lot of potential and issues will be worked out and addressed to really extract as much power from this lil dynamo as possible. It is already beating 12900hk systems so we're already up. @win32asmguy how are the fans when just using it normally? I know my X170SM-G is basically nearly silent and only comes to life when gaming or stressing.
  5. electrosoft
    Stock is flush, sales slowed, prices coming down rapidly and now they're unlocked.....shocker.
  6. electrosoft
    $999.99 brand new..... With the 6950xt launching soon (and ASrock having a Formula OC 6950xt announced), the pricing on what will basically be the same model (both use XTXH) has hit as near rock bottom as it is going to get....
  7. electrosoft
    How is operation, "Fix the X170KM-G" coming along?
  8. electrosoft
    You work, take care of at home responsibilities (many of us have wives and children (some grown)) and do as you want in your free time. I'm online most of the day so responding or frequenting websites and forums can be integrated while working.
  9. electrosoft
    Huge Kitaro fan since 1988. These are two of my favorites I still listen to on the regular when coding....
  10. electrosoft
    Popped my old WD SN850 500GB in my X170SM-G and it keeps borking out after installing chip drivers in W10 regardless of what version I install. W11 works fine but I don't want that. Popped my old 256GB stock SSD in there and no problems. Popped a 1TB 980 Pro in there as a test and no problems. Popped an SN750 in there no problems. It just doesn't like the SN850 500GB for some reason. The SN850 works fine on my Z690 and Z590 motherboards.
  11. electrosoft
    They're not affiliated with Clevo in any, way, shape or form but a reseller instead; I do remember them being a persistent presence on the old NBR forums with no bad rep. Hopefully we can get some company reps to join these forums as they continue to grow for some direct representation. You might be able to make an offer to Eurocom for one of their 2070 or 2080 cards. Since you're running a Dsanke'd P775DM3-G that should work with a potentially needed vbios flash from the old thread. $662USD for a 2070 and they are open to offers: https://www.ebay.com/itm/115286036036?hash=item1ad7954e44:g:cc4AAOSw7F9iVaR1
  12. electrosoft
    At least Prema is on the horizon.... I just tried to force limits on my Asus Z690 and just like my Asus Z590 it won't listen. Whether I enforce all limits, remove all limits or let BIOS optimize it basically ignores Intel's PLs and does its own thing. Even going into the aux CPU menu to enable tau mode (35w, 65w, 125w) does nothing regardless of DPTF. I could make my old MSI board enforce all PLs but Asus? Nope... I do have an Asrock B660M with weak VRMs that may listen to what it is being told a bit better than Asus boards. It has a 12100f in it currently. I'll dig it out and hook it up and snoop around the BIOS a bit later.
  13. electrosoft
    So you've reached your hard wall in terms of what you're willing to do to achieve better scores. We all have that line in the sand we draw for what we're willing to do to hit next level. For example, I don't think any of us do LN2. Very reason I keep a couple of programmers around for when (v)BIOS chips go all caddy wumpus or to force the narrative when software tools will not comply.
  14. electrosoft
    Vsync can be a performance killer. Turning it off in WoW definitely ups the fps. I prefer to run it with Vsync off, Gsync on.
  15. electrosoft
    I'd remove the entire HSF and clean it with isoproyl + q-tips and compressed air / air vac. While it is off, hit the rest of the unit with some compressed air too.
  16. electrosoft
    Glad to know the P+E UV crashes but persists through a warm boot and works. The slow uptick in scores is encouraging and you're ~4k behind a full fledge desktop score at this point and that is before a proper delid and seeing how to beef up the heatsink a bit. I had to do a similar cvar procedure on my dell 11th gen to get uv's to work. I'll have to start moving some of these goodies to the main page as you continue to spelunker and really uncover a lot of goodies. The groundwork you're putting in is so much appreciated. We would be still running around in circles and guesstimating still at this point without your help.
  17. electrosoft
    That is something with the BIOS then as a test trrivial +/- UV should not elicit that behavior with the e-core enabled and work with it disabled. On the plus side, my goal would be to dial in the P-cores with e-cores disabled anyhow but since this is a rev 1, we know there are plenty of bugs and kinks that will need to be worked out down the road. Did you get a chance to give CCC a try and see what CPU controls it gives you similar to the X170 series? I would like what you describe or even design it around the entry level model (3060) to purposely afford the CPU as much cooling as possible and still equip the unit with a decent entry level GPU. If you need more power then you could hook it up to an eGPU. First and foremost I would like a 17.3" version too. As more users trickle in gotta make the first page a bit more proper. Plus with more models and keyboards it will come up in searches better and get some more Clevo users in here.
  18. electrosoft
    Way out of my price league for a motherboard, but both the classified and especially that Dark Z690 motherboards are gorgeous:
  19. electrosoft
    Agreed with the 12600 seeing how much @win32asmguy is able to extract performance wise so far on a full 8+8 chip. On my P870TM I was able to push my Corsair 3800 sticks to 3467 stable in a 4x8GB config but sold two of them in the interim so I'm running 2x8GB in my X170SM-G. If I managed to track down a set of 2x8GB G.skills I'd definitely give them a whirl too but they've been EOL'd for quite some time. I'll adjust the main post and this IS the lounge for the Socket 1700 Clevo 15.6" 😁 I'll need to track down vendors and more importantly Clevo's naming convention and change the header to it instead of just the Eurocom model. I'm just really glad Clevo is still offering something this gen instead of abandoning the true desktop CPU laptop market altogether.
  20. electrosoft
    What's the launch page for their system? I'll add it to the initial post. It will be nice to see a 12600 in action to start rounding out PL limits and temps. I use 2x8 Corsair DDR4-3800 in my X170SM-G. It will be nice to see with a custom profile how hard you can push it and especially where the motherboard traces give up the ghost. I like the fact they went with only 2x SODIMM slots. I agree. Upgradable laptops are what I prefer and when they start soldering on everything even down to the wifi and memory that is proverbial nails on the chalkboard to me. I wish the GPU was modular but with the state of MXM and the industry there wasn't much that could be done. Either make it completely modular and upgradable classic Clevo style sans GPU modular or throw out the baby with the bathwater.
  21. electrosoft
    You can individually address frequencies along the curve to apply offsets but I would first establish at what core count the crashes are occurring. Does it happen with a single core run? 4? 8? 12? 16? HT on or off? Does it crash even with a trivial uv like .0001 or is there a point it crashes?
  22. electrosoft
    Don't forget the 3090ti at 2k+.... 🤑 Depending on 6950xt launch prices (which use the same XTXH chips), these could go down even further. A guy over on ocn picked up an Asrock Formula OC 6900xt open box from microcenter for $700. I have three MCs in a ~60min radius (PA, MD, MD) and one 90min away (North NJ). Might take a day trip to a few and check their open box stock on....well....everything.
  23. electrosoft
    The 6900xt's are really tanking hard in cost right now. Asrock Formula OC 6900xt is down to $1050 new at Microcenter along with the PowerColor Red Devil Ultimate at $1100 (both XTXH cards):
  24. electrosoft
    The few times dealing with NBR members for international sales always turned out great.
  25. electrosoft
    Yep, that's the 420mm monster in the front lol.... I really like this case. I wish the back was a tad deeper. Even a half inch would have made a world of difference for cable routing especially when I when I had my EVGA CLC 360mm mounted to the side outlets for the CPU (420mm won't fit over there).
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