*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

8 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I am in a meeting and will watch the video when I have a minute. Ironic that I just said to @Papusanlast night that we would likely see reviews from Roman and Jay before I get mine.

Before Direct Die: Over 90°C

EKWB Direct Die: Below 80°C (roughly 13°-15°C improvement versus IHS)

Im not happy (impressed) with how der8auers did the testing and how he showed the results while the bench run. And weird he didn't test with liquid metal with the vanilla EK Velocity WB and the contact frame (remember the EK waterblock is the same version as the direct die block). 

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

He is on the opposite side of the world (UK) so there is a big time difference. He also has a young family and works, so he may not have as many opportunities during the hours we keep.

  

I think people that complain about hot air coming from their radiators (or laptop exhaust vents) is a reflection of not understanding how thermal management works. While it is certainly not pleasant if you are in the line of fire of that hot air, and makes for an uncomfortable workspace if you do not have good air circulation in your workspace, the hot air being created is actually good from the perspective that it means the cooling system is working efficiently. If hot air is not being produced, the heat is staying in a place where you do not want the heat.

Yep, hot air coming out means the that the cooling work. But I flooded the MSI Liquid X rad with some really strong fans with a lot airflow and air prssure. The temps coming out from the rad dropped (faster heat transfer from the radiator). Better flooding the rad with loads of air. In the end.... Msi went for lower noise than better cooling performance.

6 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Zero regrets picking up this 4090. WoW is now as it should be and I'll be on the hunt for a CPU upgrade now to try and keep up with it. I know when I get to end game my 12900k is just going to choke hard even at 5120x1440. I can just imagine @Papusan at 1440p it will always be ready and willing for a CPU upgrade for quite a few generations to take advantage of it when you get your Asus.

 

Gigabyte 4090 back in stock at da Egg....

 

It is also their #1 Seller

 

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-4090-gv-n4090gaming-oc-24gd/p/N82E16814932550?Item=N82E16814932550&Description=4090&cm_re=4090-_-14-932-550-_-Product&quicklink=true

Yep. Until Nvidia find out that they need to do some changes in the drivers to push you on the latest and greatest. Just look at my Zotac posts. +100 FPS on old cards just means Microsoft and Nvidia need to castrate your cards (if you still have a couple of year with driver support. This doesn't matter).

5 hours ago, ryan said:

oldest drivers

 

 

newest drivers

 

newest is overclocked but the difference is still huge

Here is more info for you. Expect screw up's.... And always write down (or take pictures - save links for your best results). Be you sure... More screw up's than performance improvements will always be the end outcome from Redmond and HW driver teams. 

 

I'm happy to see you are more happy with your new bench results 🙂

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Im not happy with how der8auers did the testing and how he show the results while the bench run. And weird he didn't test with liquid metal with the vanilla EK Velocity WB and the contact frame. 

We will get a more accurate view of how it works when I get mine because right now I am running delidded CPU with liquid metal on top and bottom of the IHS. This is how I was able to see the original version of the SuperCool direct die block was a failure on 12900K. Had I only compared with stock solder and normal paste it might have seemed like a good product even though it was a failure.

 

The more the die size shrinks and more cores are added, the more concentrated the heat is in a small area, so I expect the benefits and gains of delids and bare die configurations to be less evident. You can only put 5 pounds of sand in a 5 pound bag. At some point you can only remove a certain amount of heat because it is passing through a small surface. Also like the diameter of the hose and the size of the nozzle on a fire hose limits the amount of water than you can push out of the hose. You can add more water pressure, but the volume will be limited by the volumetric capacity of the hose.

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

@Talon BIOS 2.08 (E699 DARK K|NGP|N / E698 Classified)

 

Please note that this is a Beta BIOS, but it is stable enough for those of you who wish to test to give it a shot. 

• Updates CPU microcode to 10E and provides microcode option 105 (has lower VID value)
• Supports CPU 13900KS OC table.
• Supports CPU 13100.
• Adds undervolt protection item (Microcode 10E only).
• Adds CPU power limit item.
• Improves memory stability.

So far I find nothing to complain about. The ability to at-will change from CPU microcode 10E to 105 is nice and 105 microcode definitely lowered VID. My memory overclocking seems to be great as well. Unless I find something I do not like that I have not seen yet, I think this is the best BIOS update they have had since launch.

[Raiderman]

So the beast build begins 🤟🤟

[Papusan]

16 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

So the beast build begins 🤟🤟

I know you brother. So just calm down, sit and have a good laugh😎 Don't do the same as some AMD owners😀

 

The AMD experience continue.... Want malware then run and buy AMD, LOOL

 

You Might Be Downloading The Wrong AMD Drivers By Searching On Google, Bing & Others
https://wccftech.com/you-might-be-downloading-the-wrong-amd-drivers-by-searching-on-google-bing-others/

[Reciever]

7 minutes ago, Papusan said:

I know you brother. So just calm down, sit and have a good laugh😎 Don't do the same as some AMD owners😀

 

The AMD experience continue.... Want malware then run and buy AMD, LOOL

 

You Might Be Downloading The Wrong AMD Drivers By Searching On Google, Bing & Others
https://wccftech.com/you-might-be-downloading-the-wrong-amd-drivers-by-searching-on-google-bing-others/

I remember back on the ocn days we used to make fun of wccftech for their trash articles. Some of the guys made a fake cpu-z render joking about how wccftech would use it as a leak for iirc Amd cpu and a few days later it was on their front page. 

 

Oh and not saying your link is false, it's just surprising how they're still around. 

[Raiderman]

20 minutes ago, Papusan said:

I know you brother. So just calm down, sit and have a good laugh😎 Don't do the same as some AMD owners😀

 

The AMD experience continue.... Want malware then run and buy AMD, LOOL

 

You Might Be Downloading The Wrong AMD Drivers By Searching On Google, Bing & Others
https://wccftech.com/you-might-be-downloading-the-wrong-amd-drivers-by-searching-on-google-bing-others/

Pretty hard to get the wrong drivers when I'm installing windows 7 first. The last windows 7  amd gpu driver works, and I'll be installing canonkongs hacked chipset, usb, etc drivers. I'm not much in the habit of googling drivers, unless it's something I can't find. 👍

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, Reciever said:

I remember back on the ocn days we used to make fun of wccftech for their trash articles. Some of the guys made a fake cpu-z render joking about how wccftech would use it as a leak for iirc Amd cpu and a few days later it was on their front page. 

 

Oh and not saying your link is false, it's just surprising how they're still around. 

Remember where it come from. Pcworld got it from... A popular PC subreddit, warning AMD graphics card owners of a malicious website.... 

 

Wccftech only wanted a piece of the cake😎

 

AMD have been in stormy weather lately so why not throw more wood on the fire

 

Edit. This showed up in the used market here home. 300$ off used. Probably discovered that the liquid X is of awful bin quality. Say its brand new and unopened. But why not just return it for refund if its brand new?

 

[ryan]

 

just bought speedway. its nice for upper end hardware. I was getting 19fps with my 3060. its def a test for the 4090

[Mr. Fox]

24 minutes ago, ryan said:

 

just bought speedway. its nice for upper end hardware. I was getting 19fps with my 3060. its def a test for the 4090

Notice that the benchmark score is merely an expression of the average frames per second. You can see that in your score and you can see that in this example from my 3060 Ti. While it is not very scientific or creative, it seems logical and simple enough.

[ryan]

yeah i noticed that looking at it more closely. makes more sense

 

pretty good looking benchmark/ do you know of any good ue5 benchmarks?

 

really curious to see if ill be able to play next gen on medium/high 1080p

 

only found this

 

 

found what I was looking for!

looks like I can max ue5 games in general but only net 30fps//not bad

[Mr. Fox]

6 minutes ago, ryan said:

yeah i noticed that looking at it more closely. makes more sense

 

pretty good looking benchmark/ do you know of any good ue5 benchmarks?

Gears of War 5? I think that is UE5, isn't it? I know I have some on my computer. I remember seeing the logo on loading screens, but I don't really pay that close attention to it since I do not do a great deal of gaming on a frequent basis. If I like it and it runs good I don't usually look at what engine it runs on. Epic has a lot of UE-based offerings 

[Clamibot]

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The more the die size shrinks and more cores are added, the more concentrated the heat is in a small area, so I expect the benefits and gains of delids and bare die configurations to be less evident. You can only put 5 pounds of sand in a 5 pound bag. At some point you can only remove a certain amount of heat because it is passing through a small surface. Also like the diameter of the hose and the size of the nozzle on a fire hose limits the amount of water than you can push out of the hose. You can add more water pressure, but the volume will be limited by the volumetric capacity of the hose.

 

In a case like this, thermoelectric coolers start making more sense since they won't be overwhelmed by the CPU's head output, and increasing the temperature differential will lead to enhanced cooling, therefore stabilizing super high overclocks.

 

I'm excited to see what's in store for TECs and other exotic cooling in the future. Maybe a ready made phase change cooling that reaches sub zero temperatures will become commonplace for enthusiast high performance desktops.

[Mr. Fox]

5 hours ago, Raiderman said:

So the beast build begins 🤟🤟

That looks really nice. Please post more photos (inside and outside) after you have the build complete.

[electrosoft]

4090 is a certified WoW/FO76 beast.

 

Fallout 76 after an hour...I have my display capped to 140fps (144hz display) and average fps? 140fps ~66% GPU utilization....Fallout 76 is a wrap. Can't get any better performance than this at 5120x1440 for my 144hz display

 

 

WoW Dragon flight FP runs RT on ...CPU bound but still averaging 133fps RT on / 141fps RT off. This will only get worst end game as CPU utilization skyrockets with PvP/PvE.

 

With the 13900ks or a 7800X3D I'm thinking that's  a wrap too for my display and gaming or "tough" it out for the fall RPL refresh aka last of the socket 1700.

 

 

In both scenarios with the 7900XTX I was pegged to 100% GPU usage with much lower fps. (1-9% faster than the Strix 3080 10GB for WoW, ~30% faster in FO76).

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

15 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

4090 is a certified WoW/FO76 beast.

 

Fallout 76 after an hour...I have my display capped to 140fps (144hz display) and average fps? 140fps ~66% GPU utilization....Fallout 76 is a wrap. Can't get any better performance than this at 5120x1440 for my 144hz display

 

 

WoW Dragon flight FP runs RT on ...CPU bound but still averaging 133fps RT on / 141fps RT off. This will only get worst end game as CPU utilization skyrockets with PvP/PvE.

 

With the 13900ks or a 7800X3D I'm thinking that's  a wrap too for my display and gaming or "tough" it out for the fall RPL refresh aka last of the socket 1700.

 

 

In both scenarios with the 7900XTX I was pegged to 100% GPU usage with much lower fps. (1-9% faster than the Strix 3080 10GB for WoW, ~30% faster in FO76).

 

 

 

 

Nice with a working graphics card. Worse for those that jumped into AMDs new and shiny. Probably not the exact failure numbers but 11% means +1 out of 10 is screwed by AMD 🙂

 

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-failure-rates-reportedly-at-11-rmas-piling-up-but-users-not-receiving-cards/

 

How is the vram clocking? Got a good sample?

[Etern4l]

7 hours ago, electrosoft said:

4090 is a certified WoW/FO76 beast.

 

Fallout 76 after an hour...

 

Sounds great, you will be missed bro. Please come visit us in this beautiful - yet lately increasingly sad - universe some time... ;)

[Mr. Fox]

On 1/13/2023 at 5:59 PM, Papusan said:

Remember where it come from. Pcworld got it from... A popular PC subreddit, warning AMD graphics card owners of a malicious website.... 

 

Wccftech only wanted a piece of the cake😎

 

AMD have been in stormy weather lately so why not throw more wood on the fire

 

Edit. This showed up in the used market here home. 300$ off used. Probably discovered that the liquid X is of awful bin quality. Say its brand new and unopened. But why not just return it for refund if its brand new?

 

I am always suspicious when I see unopened BNIB listings for computer parts that are deeply discounted. I tend to be cynical, but I always first assume they are stolen. (Entire truckloads of CPUs, GPUs, motherboards, laptops, printers, etc. being stolen is fairly common.) If they are not stolen, then what? Being suspicious of good deals from people you do not know that never have to look you in the eye, or interact with you in a forum like this, is the best approach. Scams used to be few and far between, but now they are status quo and as common as dirt.

[ryan]

stock

 

overclocked 166/ 1000mv

 

finally my stock scores are back to normal as overclocking is causing artifacting..bah could be a dying gpu due to overclocking memory too high and or core

 

 

within 3.5 percent of a stock desktop 3060

 

 

and this has to be a stock record set. I doubt many 3060s will get 22000 gpu stock...overall very impressed with the gpu, just wish the cpu had better temps, might be time for a phase change pad

[Mr. Fox]

 

[electrosoft]

9 hours ago, Papusan said:

Nice with a working graphics card. Worse for those that jumped into AMDs new and shiny. Probably not the exact failure numbers but 11% means +1 out of 10 is screwed by AMD 🙂

 

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-failure-rates-reportedly-at-11-rmas-piling-up-but-users-not-receiving-cards/

 

How is the vram clocking? Got a good sample?

 

The XFX 7900XTX is a tank and a good sample. No coil whine, stays cool under load and the aesthetics are fantastic but in the end the 4090 is an (expensive) AMD slayer.

 

I've thought about holding onto the XFX 7900XTX just to see how drivers progress and potentially build out an all X3D rig but I'm sure common sense will kick in especially if I switch to X3D on my primary if it proves to be the superior gaming CPU.

 

Once I do a clean install I'll get in there and see where it goes GPU and VRAM wise. Hitting up to 2835 and never dropping below 2820 in TS runs is a good start at stock.

 

 

 

 

[ryan]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

6.1ghz is impressive just a pity the e cores hold everything back

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, ryan said:

stock

 

overclocked 166/ 1000mv

 

finally my stock scores are back to normal as overclocking is causing artifacting..bah could be a dying gpu due to overclocking memory too high and or core

 

 

within 3.5 percent of a stock desktop 3060

 

 

The mobile variant of the 3060 truly was the closest approximation to the desktop version. 3070 dropped off noticeably and the 3080 was just a joke in comparison.

 

3060 is a good 1080p GPU. Must be a solid gaming experience for you.

[ryan]

yeah it really is!!

 

i game at 4k when im hooked up to my tv and it does fine with medium/high/..but on my laptop 1080p/144 is usually doable some older games won't hit 144hz because of optimization but most new games can be pushed to 144hz. honestly this laptop was my best purchase ever, ive owned alot of laptops, sometimes the best but this laptop is my fav thus far

[ryan]

1080p 2tx

 maxed dlss quality

 

completely maxed

 

 

completely maxed no dlss so supremely maxed at 1080p shows this 3060 is definitly a capable 1080p gpu

 

 

I honestly prefer dlss off and aa off as it loks crisper, for some reason using dlss with AA makes the image look blurry

 

[electrosoft]

@Papusan Go big or go home bro! 🙂