*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

I've actually thought about just not having any laptop at all and finding a cheap secondhand Chromebook to access my desktop remotely when traveling. I normally turn my computers off when I am not using them, but I could leave one of them turned on for remote desktop access. Then if it gets lost, stolen or stops working it wouldn't matter much. I could just find another cheap used Chromebook. My interest in mobile computing is almost non-existent at this point. The products available are universally disappointing and unappealing. I don't think it is even possible that I could be truly satisfied  by any notebook at this point, even if it had a desktop CPU and MXM graphics.

[Clamibot]

GPUs are still way overpriced, but I've been seeing SSD prices dropping like a rock over the past year. It's great to see how far SSDs have come in capacity per dollar. A 2TB TLC SSD can be had for $90 nowadays. Good thing too because I'm gonna start needing much more storage in the near future for my job, so these price drops are coming at the perfect time.

 

You win some, you lose some I guess. I'm just glad that prices are dropping on components I really need. I still need a GPU to complete my desktop, but I don't NEED it right now as I'm doing fine with just my X170SM-G. More than fine actually since I like laptops a lot more than desktops (but might not for much longer hehe).

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Clamibot said:

GPUs are still way overpriced, but I've been seeing SSD prices dropping like a rock over the past year. It's great to see how far SSDs have come in capacity per dollar. A 2TB TLC SSD can be had for $90 nowadays. Good thing too because I'm gonna start needing much more storage in the near future for my job, so these price drops are coming at the perfect time.

 

You win some, you lose some I guess. I'm just glad that prices are dropping on components I really need. I still need a GPU to complete my desktop, but I don't NEED it right now as I'm doing fine with just my X170SM-G. More than fine actually since I like laptops a lot more than desktops (but might not for much longer hehe).

Maybe look into one of these. Run 4 NVMe SSDs on an x4 slot with no need for bifurcation support in the BIOS. Pretty slick. Like a ROG Hyper M.2 adapter except better because it does not require an x16 slot and handles 4 instead of only 2 NVMe. I think I might get one of these soon. 

 

https://sabrent.com/blogs/news/announcing-the-sabrent-4-drive-nvme-m-2-ssd-to-pcie-3-0-x4-adapter-card

 

https://www.amazon.com/SABRENT-4-Drive-NVMe-Adapter-PC-P3X4/dp/B0BRYQH443

 

 

The Sabrent 4-Drive NVMe SSD to PCIe 3.0 x4 card (EC-P3X4) is designed to add up to four NVMe SSDs to your computer with minimal fuss. Connect 4x SSDs into the PC-P3X4 and start using. No bifurcation setting in the BIOS is required.

The adapter fits M-Key 2280 SSDs and can be placed in x4/x8/x16 PCIe slots with forward and backward compatibility. This makes it ideal for adding storage to legacy machines. Your drives will stay cool, reliable, and safe thanks to the aluminum housing with built-in thermal padding. Enjoy NVMe levels of performance with support for a PCIe payload size of up to 512 bytes. Running software RAID/JBOD has never been easier.

The EC-P3X4 has also been designed to be compliant with a number of power states and other features for optimal efficiency. This includes Active State Power Management (ASPM) with the L0s/L1/ L23/L3 power states and L1 sub-states. It’s also compliant with the S3 and S4 sleep states for further power control. The adapter also supports Latency Tolerance Reporting (LTR), Advanced Error Reporting (AER), and Separate Reference Clock with Independent Spread (SRIS) for maximum compatibility and state management. This makes it plug and play for most systems. Windows 8.1+ or macOS 10.3.3+ is recommended.

Expansive | 4 NVMe SSDs with one slot: Add up to four NVMe SSDs to your computer with a single x4 PCIe 3.0 adapter card. The package includes everything necessary including M.2 screws and a screwdriver. Installation is simple and easy!

Resilient | Cool and Dependable: Cool your drives efficiently with the included aluminum heatsink. Integrated silicone thermal padding helps maximize heat dissipation so that your drives never throttle. The housing also adds structural support to the adapter card for more protection.

Compatible | Fast with legacy support: Fits in x4, x8, and x16 PCIe slots. The adapter card is backward compatible with PCIe 2.0/1.0 at respective maximum bandwidths.This adapter card is an effective way to add additional NVMe storage to older systems and can take advantage of higher speeds and lower latency. Supports a PCIe maximum payload size of 512 bytes for maximum performance.

Efficient | Wide power protocol support: Supports multiple power protocols including Active State Power Management (ASPM) with the L0s/L1//L23/L3 power states and L1 sub-states. The adapter is also compliant with the S3 and S4 sleep states. It supports Latency Tolerance Reporting (LTR), Advanced Error Reporting (AER), and Separate Reference Clock with Independent Spread (SRIS) for maximum efficiency.

[Etern4l]

6 hours ago, Reciever said:

A laptop with support for desktop cpu's and desktop GPU's would be fairly interesting actually 

 

Lost cause IMHO. The only benefit would be repairability/limited upgradability (which are not really in manufacturers' interest). There is no way top end desktop parts would run in a laptop at stock speeds even. It was difficult to cool that before, now it's impossible, unless heavy power throttling were to be imposed which would kind of defeat the point.

 

 

[Etern4l]

3 hours ago, Clamibot said:

GPUs are still way overpriced, but I've been seeing SSD prices dropping like a rock over the past year. It's great to see how far SSDs have come in capacity per dollar. A 2TB TLC SSD can be had for $90 nowadays. Good thing too because I'm gonna start needing much more storage in the near future for my job, so these price drops are coming at the perfect time.

 

You win some, you lose some I guess. I'm just glad that prices are dropping on components I really need. I still need a GPU to complete my desktop, but I don't NEED it right now as I'm doing fine with just my X170SM-G. More than fine actually since I like laptops a lot more than desktops (but might not for much longer hehe).

 

GPU prices are likely to stay elevated for the foreseable future IMHO thanks to demand from big tech and their AIs.

 

(sorry for dbl post)

[Reciever]

4 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

Lost cause IMHO. The only benefit would be repairability/limited upgradability (which are not really in manufacturers' interest). There is no way top end desktop parts would run in a laptop at stock speeds even. It was difficult to cool that before, now it's impossible, unless heavy power throttling were to be imposed which would kind of defeat the point.

 

 

Everything is a lost cause in the mainstream market right now. 

[Mr. Fox]

5 hours ago, Etern4l said:

Lost cause IMHO. The only benefit would be repairability/limited upgradability (which are not really in manufacturers' interest). There is no way top end desktop parts would run in a laptop at stock speeds even. It was difficult to cool that before, now it's impossible, unless heavy power throttling were to be imposed which would kind of defeat the point.

17 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Everything is a lost cause in the mainstream market right now. 

The driving force behind turdbook design is deliberate production of poorly engineered throw-away trash that can't be practically repaired  so they can sell a replacement for it when it dies outside of the standard warranty period. The OEMs never cared about customers consumers having the ability to upgrade, but they kill both birds with a single stone this way. The zombie sheeple herd think it's OK and gleefully throw their money away on compromised garbage, so this will never get fixed. Everyone will have what the lowest common denominators are willing to put up with.

[Etern4l]

3 hours ago, Reciever said:

 

Everything is a lost cause in the mainstream market right now. 

 

Laptops or desktops? If the former then I would agree, but really it's just a matter of expectations. If you expect a lightweight device to use on the go, then you might find something worthwhile on the market, pricing aside. If you expect an awesome high-end, desktop-beating main driver then at the high end it's a resounding lol

[ryan]

I found a tweak to adds about 100 points too a timespy gpu score for the 3060 possibly more with a 3090-4090. its called msi mode utility. it changes the interrupts to high priority and can improve gpu performance and latency.

 

https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/windows-line-based-vs-message-signaled-based-interrupts-msi-tool.378044/

 

I tried it out and before stock i was around 8200-8300 with gpu in timespy now see below

 

 

and an even better reason to download and use it.

 

my speed way score is just as high now stock as it was overclocked. so it can have a profound impact sometimes

 

 

and my max oc score from before....they are pretty close

 

my highest FSU score for 115w

[tps3443]

Igor’s lab determined that 13900KS SP is not equivalent to 13900K SP rating. And a higher SP 13900KS is actually a weaker overclocker vs a lower SP 13900K.

 

I believe he said a P-SP126 13900KS is equivalent to a P-SP120 13900K. So, it’s backwards!!! Lower SP 13900K=. Better than higher SP13900KS… Strange.

 

😳

 

https://www.igorslab.de/en/the-last-and-fastest-of-their-kind-intel-13th-gen-raptor-lake-binning-part-3-i9-13900ks/4/

[electrosoft]

54 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Igor’s lab determined that 13900KS SP is not equivalent to 13900K SP rating. And a higher SP 13900KS is actually a weaker overclocker vs a lower SP 13900K.

 

I believe he said a P-SP126 13900KS is equivalent to a P-SP120 13900K. So, it’s backwards!!! Lower SP 13900K=. Better than higher SP13900KS… Strange.

 

😳

 

https://www.igorslab.de/en/the-last-and-fastest-of-their-kind-intel-13th-gen-raptor-lake-binning-part-3-i9-13900ks/4/

 

 

Igor's labs overall findings for SP ratings:

 

 

13900KS chips are overall just better than 13900K/KF chips. If I was in the market for a new 13th gen, I wouldn't even bother with a 13900K/KF. I'd go right for a 13900KS every time.

 

Every.

Time.

 

Your chip is good. A top 2% 13900k but it has been invalidated from overall top bin with 13900KS chips which pushes it down to top 10% which is still admirable and with your outlier setup you're getting good results. Enjoy it. 🙂

 

It happens. 🙂

 

 

[johnksss]

Yep, definitely keeping my 13900KS SP112 P120/E97 Force 2 144.

[electrosoft]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The driving force behind turdbook design is deliberate production of poorly engineered throw-away trash that can't be practically repaired  so they can sell a replacement for it when it dies outside of the standard warranty period. The OEMs never cared about customers consumers having the ability to upgrade, but they kill both birds with a single stone this way. The zombie sheeple herd think it's OK and gleefully throw their money away on compromised garbage, so this will never get fixed. Everyone will have what the lowest common denominators are willing to put up with.

 

I just got my X170SM-G back from repair today for a bad GPU and still under warranty. I haven't fired it up yet but I think about the state of throw away laptops often. If my laptop was out of warranty, regardless of a bad CPU, GPU or forbid soldered on storage or memory (shudder), I'm out an entire laptop. I can't get in there and just replace the one, single bad component or bin my CPU where variance unit to unit can be pretty staggering.

 

 

 

[Rage Set]

This guy is very rash and could be off-putting to some. I keep watching, learning his techniques. He is an interesting fellow to say the least. 

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, ryan said:

I found a tweak to adds about 100 points too a timespy gpu score for the 3060 possibly more with a 3090-4090. its called msi mode utility. it changes the interrupts to high priority and can improve gpu performance and latency.

 

https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/windows-line-based-vs-message-signaled-based-interrupts-msi-tool.378044/

 

I tried it out and before stock i was around 8200-8300 with gpu in timespy now see below

 

 

 

 

my speed way score is just as high now stock as it was overclocked. so it can have a profound impact sometimes

 

 

and my max oc score from before....they are pretty close

 

my highest FSU score for 115w

This is somewhat old info bro ryan. Have been known for many years. The best benefits will be for gaming and Jokebooks who have the bios filled up with all sorts of power savings features you can't disable (yep, the OEM love you). If you have latency problems this tool should help on that.

 

And the MSI tool have been baked into NVCleanstall a very long time. 

 

Regarding TechPowerUp NVCleanstall. ... Techpowerup released a new version yesterday. 

https://notebooktalk.net/topic/438-drivers-support-for-laptops-desktops-intel-nvidia-and-amd/?do=findComment&comment=24469

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Igor’s lab determined that 13900KS SP is not equivalent to 13900K SP rating. And a higher SP 13900KS is actually a weaker overclocker vs a lower SP 13900K.

 

I believe he said a P-SP126 13900KS is equivalent to a P-SP120 13900K. So, it’s backwards!!! Lower SP 13900K=. Better than higher SP13900KS… Strange.

 

😳

 

https://www.igorslab.de/en/the-last-and-fastest-of-their-kind-intel-13th-gen-raptor-lake-binning-part-3-i9-13900ks/4/

I mean the same was for 12th gen KS chips. 

 

And the elite benchers got the best binned 13th gen chips long time ago. They got the 13900K long before Intel released 13th gen last year. And yep... They didn't pay the KS premium price. The got it "Free at no costs" is todays word 🙂

 

13900KS....

 

13900K....

 

[Mr. Fox]

3 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

This guy is very rash and could be off-putting to some. I keep watching, learning his techniques. He is an interesting fellow to say the least. 

 

 

 

I watch his videos all the time. He is talented even though his presentation is a bit rough. I enjoy watching what he does. Did you see the one where he repaired the broken power connector on the MSI 4090 and installed a connector that can't be used due to the wrong orientation?

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I am not buying this, but I thought it was interesting to see how many carts it is already loaded into. Good price in the context of scalping prices, but still a very poor value for $1800.

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

I just got my X170SM-G back from repair today for a bad GPU and still under warranty. I haven't fired it up yet but I think about the state of throw away laptops often. If my laptop was out of warranty, regardless of a bad CPU, GPU or forbid soldered on storage or memory (shudder), I'm out an entire laptop. I can't get in there and just replace the one, single bad component or bin my CPU where variance unit to unit can be pretty staggering.

 

 

 

 

well we cannot even go by percentage of top chips on that graph though. Because Igor’s Global SP110-111 (K) was better than global SP116 (KS)

 

The thing is, you’ve gotta test the chip and see the VID’s. 13900K and 13900KS are all over the place, especially KS.

 

P-SP125 KS with worse VID’s than a P-SP119 13900K makes no sense to me. 

 

 

[tps3443]

19 minutes ago, Papusan said:

This is somewhat old info bro ryan. Have been known for many years. The best benefits will be for gaming and Jokebooks who have the bios filled up with all sorts of power savings features you can't disable. If you have latency problems this tool should help on that.

 

And the MSI tool have been baked into NVCleanstall a very long time. 

 

Regarding TechPowerUp NVCleanstall. ... Techpowerup released a new version yesterday. 

https://notebooktalk.net/topic/438-drivers-support-for-laptops-desktops-intel-nvidia-and-amd/?do=findComment&comment=24469

I mean the same was for 12th gen KS chips. 

 

And the elite benchers got the best binned 13th gen chips long time ago. They got the 13900K long before Intel released 13th gen last year. And yep... They didn't pay the KS premium price. "Free at no costs" is todays word 🙂

 

13900KS....

 

13900K....

 

 

I think they have to locate and find their own chips. CEN is still buying chips up hunting for a record breaker.

[electrosoft]

1 minute ago, tps3443 said:

 

well we cannot even go by percentage of top chips on that graph though. Because Igor’s Global SP110-111 (K) was better than global SP116 (KS)

 

The thing is, you’ve gotta test the chip and see the VID’s. 13900K and 13900KS are all over the place, especially KS.

 

 

 

 Obviously. 🙂

 

I'm the one who has said time and time again over the years, regardless of the SP throw it on a bench and test it.

 

The fact remains that KS chips overall are better than K/KF chips with a lot of cross over as I alluded to earlier a few days ago and the iGor's labs chart just confirms.

 

Also remember he had no access to Malay chips either which are popping even better....poor iGor. 🙂

 

I know you paid a pretty penny for your binned chip and I know it can hurt a bit to see a "Special" edition come out that pushes yours down on the "special" chart with people popping open KS chips that are monsters but just think in the fall this whole cycle repeats again with the RPL refresh.

 

Enjoy your chip bro! 🙂

 

 

[Papusan]

11 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

 

I think they have to locate and find their own chips. CEN is still buying chips up hunting for a record breaker.

I'm not so sure that Cens is one of "those chosen one". And you can clearly see that on Hwbot ranking.

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

Yep, definitely keeping my 13900KS SP112 P120/E97 Force 2 144.

Those force ratings are a worthless prediction tool. 

I cannot believe I actually had faith in this tool at one point in time. 

Lower is definitely not better. 

[electrosoft]

24 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

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I am not buying this, but I thought it was interesting to see how many carts it is already loaded into. Good price in the context of scalping prices, but still a very poor value for $1800.

 

In the end, a bottom barrel 4090 is $1600.

 

How you choose to pay an AIB tax is on you but both Hybrid and air cooled ($1799 / $1719) are going to cost you even if you niggle over a $100 here or there the cards are expensive (and don't forget your friendly sales tax).

 

And of course there is always the "Well I wanted it so I'm buying it," factor (See: KPE 3090TI) and life is too short to fret sometimes and meant to be enjoyed in the moment. I was reminded of this recently from a loved one who passed away who told me, "Life is short. Eat the cake. Take the Trip. Buy the toy. Never shy away from leisurely pursuits. Enjoy life."

 

I pinch pennies everywhere else and try to maximize buy/sell of hardware to offset accepted losses of liking tech; but I know what brings me joy in regards to my leisurely pursuits and it's tech so when able I hit the buy button and enjoy it in the here and now even as I weigh the pros and cons before, during and after. 🙂

 

 

 

[tps3443]

2 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

In the end, a bottom barrel 4090 is $1600.

 

How you choose to pay an AIB tax is on you but both Hybrid and air cooled ($1799 / $1719) are going to cost you even if you niggle over a $100 here or there the cards are expensive (and don't forget your friendly sales tax).

 

And of course there is always the "Well I wanted it so I'm buying it," factor (See: KPE 3090TI) and life is too short to fret sometimes and meant to be enjoyed in the moment. I was reminded of this recently from a loved one who passed away who told me, "Life is short. Eat the cake. Take the Trip. Buy the toy. Never shy away from leisurely pursuits. Enjoy life."

 

I pinch pennies everywhere else and try to maximize buy/sell of hardware to offset accepted losses of liking tech; but I know what brings me joy in regards to my leisurely pursuits and it's tech so when able I hit the buy button and enjoy it in the here and now even as I weigh the pros and cons before, during and after. 🙂

 

 

 

I’m with you on that one. I feel the moment inching closer when I launch newly released game that I love to play, and it brings my 3090 to its knees so bad, I’m forced to replace it lol. That will probably be the moment I break down and order a 4090. 

[ryan]

completely maxed 1080p witcher 3

 

[Papusan]

Nvidia has quietly started selling its RTX 4090Ti  6000 Ada Generation graphics card. 'Only' $6,800 to $8,600 for 18,176 CUDA cores and vanilla GDDR6. If Nvidia want to release 4090Ti FE at 3000$, then you'll get a bargain deal😎 Add the AIC premium on top and you'll see at least 3300$. Then.... 6 months later its worth 1000$ when 50xx is out. We have been there before with 3090Ti. Nvidia don't need miners to put the "correct" price point for own products. They manage it perfectly themselves.

 

Nvidia RTX 6000 Ada Now Available: 18,176 CUDA Cores at 300W
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-rtx-6000-ada-now-available

 

 

 

And AMD will offer more of their newest tech.... Cheaper than Nvidias new and shiny come at a price.

 

 

Underwhelming AMD RDNA 3 Navi 33 performance leak suggests a mediocre generation for midrange GPUs might be on the cards

 

AMD is expected to reveal midrange RDNA 3 cards, possibly the RX 7600/XT, with the Navi 33 GPU sometime in the coming months. Now, the latest rumor claims that the chip will only present measurable yet ultimately unexciting performance gains over the RDNA 2 boards.

 

In essence, we are looking at evolutionary rather than revolutionary performance gains if All_The_Watts’ report is legit. Combine this with the rumor that the RTX 4060 Ti will be 10-15% faster vs the RTX 3060 Ti and one can argue that this generation is looking rather unimpressive in terms of midrange boards.

 

 

And AMD prefer that you jump over on their newest cards... Isn't it fantastic driver support? Or maybe they have problems make newer drivers works with yesterdays Radeon graphics cards? I don't think I have seen similar from Nvidia before. 

AMD Software Adrenalin 23.1.2 for RX 7900 Series Third Straight Exclusive Driver, No New Driver for RX 6000 Series Since 48 Days

Techpowerup.com | Today,

AMD today released the Adrenalin 23.1.2 drivers exclusively for the Radeon RX 7900 series, making it the third straight driver of the kind. There has been no new driver for older GPUs, including the RX 6000 series, including the 7-month old RX 6950 XT, since December 8, 2022 (48 days now), which means the overwhelming majority of AMD Radeon users don't yet have optimization for games such as Forspoken, and Valhiem. The latest 23.1.2 drivers only work with the RX 7900 XT and RX 7900 XTX. These introduce day-zero optimization for "Forspoken," and a handful background improvements for the Vulkan API. AMD fixed the "Delayed Write Failed" error noticed on Windows 11 22H2; less than expected performance with "SpaceEngine," and flickering issues noticed with "Emergency 4."

DOWNLOAD: AMD Software Adrenalin 23.1.2 for RX 7900 Series

 

Yep, either they have massive problems with the new cards and the latest and greatest need special treatments or they struggle with how drivers for R7900 series works with older gen cards. Pick whats fits.