*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

So let me ask you this....Is he right in doing so though?

 

And it's a pretty safe bet to wager that no one is going to fess up and say it was their fault.

Maybe this is the answer for your question?😁

 

Food for thoughts... Nvidia and it's AIC partners could just deny replace the cards and put all the blame on user errors. Just say it is nothing wrong with adapers or the power connector. This will put Nvidia in better lights regarding saving own reputation. Just put all the blame on the consumers. The comming  press release about the smoke and fire can easly be watered down to nothing like this: A very small amount cards failing is to expect vs how many cards produced and sold. End of press release. People will buy it anyway.........

 

RTX 4080 Too Expensive? Gamers Say Otherwise, as Cards Sell Out Within an Hour

 

Nvidia's latest GeForce RTX 4080 graphics cards have sold out at most retailers. Apparently there are enough rich gamers that reviewer complaints about high prices didn't matter much.

[Etern4l]

30 minutes ago, Papusan said:

RTX 4080 Too Expensive? Gamers Say Otherwise, as Cards Sell Out Within an Hour

 

Nvidia's latest GeForce RTX 4080 graphics cards have sold out at most retailers. Apparently there are enough rich gamers that reviewer complaints about high prices didn't matter much.

 

Do we know who bought them? Gamers or scalpers?

 

BTW the FE is available from Nvidia store, in case anyone wants it. Apparently even scalpers don't lol

[Ashtrix]

4 hours ago, Talon said:

 

I love the beginning of the video where the cable is basically hanging out in order to get it to burn up. 

 

Failure Rate of 0.05 to 0.1%. And then of that small percentage, what percentage is because some people drew the short stick in the thought department. 

 

 

 

 

Dude goes on bashing Igor since the start funny part is how he utilizes Igor's slides and materials then applies a monologue, His theory is based on 1 sample size Adapter of Electron Microscope scan but since the user's 4090 is not available to do the analysis there's no proper other half of the issue, a $1600+ actual GPU which got fried is missing. So we do not even know the Major component which failed and how it's actual 12VHPWR Socket itself has changed over the time due to the melting process and most importantly what GPU VRM components failed.

 

50% of the analysis is missing, still proceeds onto conclusion which is basically more stressed onto user problem (Foreign Debris due to insersion) + NTK cables from Igor is not correct. I appreciate his shots of microscopic scans, and how Igor's piece is not a solution. And how the surfaces have their plating changed due to insertion and how their "Lab" is saying about the metallic findings could be from GPU socket and all but I do not feel there's a massive "TED Talk" as quoted by himself here, it's just another round of overly smart speculation.

 

This is my conclusion below.

 

This is a clear cut PCI-SIG and Nvidia failure despite their own reports. Not user problem, it's like iPhone 4. Apple says how you are holding the phone wrong with their Antenna gate and got sued.

 

Which is why PCI SIG is creating a new standard with 4-Sense Pins groove being longer & 3090Ti did not fail and it never used 4 Pins despite using same connector so magically users did not have insertion issues with that GPU which used same 12VHPWR connector (btw 3090Ti never used 4 Pins because they are shorted on the PCB & sense pins do not carry any high voltage, so the pins are same as 4090)

 

Finally Nvidia should own the problem, still no word on the issue shame. I bet Nvidia will change the adapters going forth 100% sure, they cannot change the socket because they have to axe their whole 3090 based cooler design as it won't have space for 3-4x 8Pin connectors and existing users will have no solution except a ticking timebomb.

 

Also one should see why 8pin never failed. User insertion or not 8 Pins doesn't fail since 20 years of PC be it CPU HEDT X299 or 13th gen Raptor Lake same 600W+. GPUs also use the same one, and even more to reiterate AMD's R9 295X2 drawing 500W of power through just 2x8Pins going out of PCI-SIG specification and saw no failure. Well AMD knew that 8Pin has a higher ceiling of power while 12VHPWR does not. Yes 900W OC and all is fine and dandy but when it blows up then it will be real.

[Papusan]

4 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Do we know who bought them? Gamers or scalpers?

Does it matter? They all will go to gamers. Mining is dead as you know 🙂 Nvidia and their partners will be happy anyhow.

[Mr. Fox]

On a happier note... no melted cables (yet)... 2080 Ti FTW3 rises from the ashes to execute its wrath on the unworthy...

The scrappy 3060 Ti FTW3 isn't lagging its older brother as much as I expected though...

...and, they aren't very far apart in terms of specs either.

[Etern4l]

33 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Does it matter? They all will go to gamers. Mining is dead as you know 🙂 

 

They might eventually go to gamers if bought by scalpers, the question is when and at what price. Saying that all the cards immediately went to the rich gamers potentially creates a false impression of immediate demand from real customers. Rich gamers probably already have a 4090, why would they buy a 4080?

 

BTW some of these Ada consumer cards might be of interest to non-gamers too, the 4080 probably not so much though.

 

Decent availability in the UK, prices start at $1600 for the cheapest Palit 

 

Meanwhile Amazon themselves decided to jump on the 4090 scalping bandwagon... over $19k, not bad

 

[tps3443]

4 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Still a banger CPU. Especially with 4000 Gear 1. Not sure if you picked up a CPU yet, but I think 13900KF at Amazon was pretty cheap the other day. 

 

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-i9-13900KF-Desktop-Processor-P-cores/dp/B0BCFM3CJ4/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3UZALL1N1YHSU&keywords=13900kf&qid=1668630132&sprefix=13900kf%2Caps%2C116&sr=8-1&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.4dd97f68-284f-40f5-a6f1-1e5b3de13370

Newegg finally shipped mine today. When I checked Amazon during “Ready to buy time” they didn’t have any in stock for that price. But I may grab another to test last time I ordered from Amazon they sent me some straight up duds though both identical batches lol. 

[jaybee83]

On 11/15/2022 at 4:51 PM, Rage Set said:

So it has begun. Nvidia's 4080 has a TGP of 320 but Nvidia has limited it. Apparently, "recently" Nvidia changed how their cards boost. Before, Nvidia's cards would try to adhere to their TDP while under load and even try to go above it, with performance to go with it. Now the TGP is the LIMIT, so with the 4080, it will try to avoid going near the 320W TGP cap. 

 

I told you guys that Nvidia was going to nerf the power draw of the cards. They haven't figured a way to do it with the 4090 (at least the batches they have already sold) but watch the next batches that make it to the public have different performance deltas compared to the ones people have. They may sneak a vBIOS update in their drivers, you never know. 

 

hm...not sure what u mean? from the reviews ive seen so far, the 4080 mostly stays a bit below 320W, more like 300. similar behaviour as the 4090, which would mostly stay below 530 / 600W, depending on the vBios. just gotta select specific loads to hit the power limit before u get voltage limited. also, the 4080 lacks so many vRAM chips and transistors, might just be overall lower power needs? combine that with identical 4090 coolers so temps are waaay low and add to the lower power consumption.

are there any reports for differing boosting behaviour? or am i just missing something here? 😅

 

On 11/15/2022 at 6:37 PM, electrosoft said:

 

I was going to sneak (clumsily) it into the wife's system today since WoW is down all day for Xpac patch pre-launch events so she won't mind (in theory). 🙂

 

I am waiting on a 12400 to finish building out a gaming rig I was going to test the A380 against it and set it up here for my daughter to play in my ever persistent quest to get her to switch to a desktop from her laptop.  Basically set up a nice gaming rig with a Dell 25" 240hz gaming display I have on hand, decent cans good KB/M and let her game like it's meant to be played and if she suddenly says, "Oh I like this. How do I get this setup?" Just smile and give it to her and go set it up at her place. ♥️

 

 

 

haha are u sure thats a wise approach to give Intel Arc GPUs for ur wife and kid? this shouts 24/7 maintenance and troubleshooting to me whenever they run into any issues... or are the drivers stable enough to leave them alone with it?

 

22 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Little bit over a month. ~33 days..... really nowhere deep into the new product cycle.

 

Here is this guy who OBVIOUSLY has the hookup selling on eBay (look at his completed sales and items):

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/115577457663?epid=7057049227&hash=item1ae8f40bff:g:8owAAOSwfN1jVxjE&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoAlRUfjXQ0vKLhDa%2B1Xn3e7bInfjBUL5kVMwmdm%2Fb95JXSFGWeTxLGTdxgy8uASmWuBd3kIxX%2FFP1gwy2HmZMKm0qA5merJf52X2fmM739Gbu6jm%2Byse%2F6nB1Tk%2BWVzz1Ytdmt3zFNw3FP3hentpxe%2FTXKP8sdCcjKr9jX2eulGFWOdfkKCDiQ6YeCl%2BM9ixOsvmwvf1r1EH6gU2dAR3IV0%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR4rQw-KPYQ

 

He has been selling 4090 FEs since October 24th to now (~20 days) and while he has sold a large chunk, he still has 4 left. Look at his sold units and they are holding steady at ~2200-2300 each.

 

If this was during the Crypto-Boom, those would have been ALL been gone at a higher price in less than 48hrs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

wtf, i just dont get it... seriously. and with every day passing, boy am i glad i got a 4090 and at MSRP at that on launch day. couldnt be happier!

 

6 hours ago, Rage Set said:

 

I for one don't want any legislation. I'll be frank, scalpers are scum but you can't really place the blame completely on them. All retailers are essentially, "scalpers". Buy low, sell higher. Some retailers are better than others in this regard, only seeking modest profit. What most retailers have are competitors, which ensures (for the most part) competition on prices, customer service and etc. At the end of the day, you can choose to buy from various places, the same product (or something very similar). 

 

GPU's, like a lot of consumer tech, are luxury products. No consumer really "needs" them but they are nice-to-haves. All of the things I have seen that have been scalped (excluding medication but that is a WHOLE other debate) are not necessary. You are completely correct when you wrote that the guilty party are the people who buy from the scalpers at such high prices. But the let those idiots do that. What do they say about a fool and their dollar?

 

I do not condone the use of bots or scalping in general, but a law(s) about scalping can get out of hand really quick. Who sets the limit on the number of items you can buy before you're considered a scalper? Two items? Three? As @electrosoft noted, the crypto boom and chip shortages are what caused these outrageous prices. Crypto is in its winter and the chip shortages are NO where near as bad as they will have you believe, because demand has fallen due to the recession. Let the scalpers play, as many of them are playing with fire. As the recession worsens, a lot of them are going to be stuck with some high value items they can't sell. 

 

maybe there might be some middle ground, i.e. specific to private sellers theyd need to hold onto the card for at least a month or so before reselling. similar laws apply to i.e. stock investments, with many countries in the EU forcing u to pay "speculation tax" if u dont keep said stocks long enough and sell them off right away. thus, long term investments are encouraged vs. short term gambling runs.

 

5 hours ago, Talon said:

 

I love the beginning of the video where the cable is basically hanging out in order to get it to burn up. 

 

Failure Rate of 0.05 to 0.1%. And then of that small percentage, what percentage is because some people drew the short stick in the thought department. 

 

 

 

hmmm at just 0.05 to 0.1%, with over 100,000 4090s sold already, were talking roughly 50-100+ cases. so basically the ones posted on reddit and other forums.... that seems awfully close to one another, what a "coincidence" 😛 

 

4 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

RTX 4090 Owner Hits Nvidia With Lawsuit Over Melting 16-pin Connector

 

One consumer filed a lawsuit against Nvidia regarding the melting 16-pin connectors on GeForce RTX 4090 graphics cards.

 

The lawsuit states that Genova is suing Nvidia for unjust enrichment, breach of warranty, fraud, and violations of New York’s General Business Law.

 

The lawsuit, which was filed in a California federal court on Nov. 11, alleges that Nvidia "marketed and sold the RTX 4090 with a defective and dangerous power cable plug and socket, which has rendered consumers' cards inoperable and poses a serious electrical and fire hazard for each and every purchaser." Genova seemingly brings the class action lawsuit on behalf of himself and all purchasers of the GeForce RTX 4090, one of the best graphics cards on the market.

 

and so it begins... 😛 

 

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Sadly, many people never give feedback. Maybe 1 out of 10 things I sell on fleaBay gets any feedback. I have had people message me to say they are very happy with the item purchased, but even still they give no feedback. I always do as a matter of courtesy, especially when I am happy with the item.

 

one conclusion ive come to over the years is that a lot of ppl hold out on feedback on ebay just to be on the safe side when it comes to "revenge" feedback. i.e. if u give them negative feedback they strike back likewise, no matter if you actually did smth wrong or not. thus forcing u to think twice if u wanna leave any critical feedback. just sad how ppl think sometimes...

 

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

 

RTX 4080 Too Expensive? Gamers Say Otherwise, as Cards Sell Out Within an Hour

 

Nvidia's latest GeForce RTX 4080 graphics cards have sold out at most retailers. Apparently there are enough rich gamers that reviewer complaints about high prices didn't matter much.

 

not sure this is an indicator yet for the 4080s "popularity", rumor mill so far says that the 4080 stock on launch was waaaaaaaay below 4090 levels and sometimes non-existent in some shops. so with just a handful of cards around ull always find some idiots grabbing those to be "first" 😄 also cuz its "new, shiny" and, of course, always better (= new!) 😛 

 

[Papusan]

10 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

not sure this is an indicator yet for the 4080s "popularity", rumor mill so far says that the 4080 stock on launch was waaaaaaaay below 4090 levels and sometimes non-existent in some shops. so with just a handful of cards around ull always find some idiots grabbing those to be "first" 😄 also cuz its "new, shiny" and, of course, always better (= new!) 😛 

None know the sales numbers, but I think Tomshardware senior editor have more info on this than the average Joe. New will always sell out.... so...

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

On a happier note... no melted cables (yet)... 2080 Ti FTW3 rises from the ashes to execute its wrath on the unworthy...

The scrappy 3060 Ti FTW3 isn't lagging its older brother as much as I expected though...

...and, they aren't very far apart in terms of specs either.

 

Is this overclocked vs overclocked?  the stock 2080Ti VS overclocked 2080Ti is really day and night. 

[jaybee83]

14 minutes ago, Papusan said:

None know the sales numbers, but I think Tomshardware senior editor have more info on this than the average Joe. New will always sell out.... so...

 

double stock over 4090?! no way... 😄 also, that "id wager" seems just more like a hunch rather than having sources telling him stuff... in any case, its all just SMH, i dont get it...

[johnksss]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Maybe this is the answer for your question?😁

 

Food for thoughts... Nvidia and it's AIC partners could just deny replace the cards and put all the blame on user errors. Just say it is nothing wrong with adapers or the power connector. This will put Nvidia in better lights regarding saving own reputation. Just put all the blame on the consumers. The comming  press release about the smoke and fire can easly be watered down to nothing like this: A very small amount cards failing is to expect vs how many cards produced and sold. End of press release. People will buy it anyway.........

 

RTX 4080 Too Expensive? Gamers Say Otherwise, as Cards Sell Out Within an Hour

 

Nvidia's latest GeForce RTX 4080 graphics cards have sold out at most retailers. Apparently there are enough rich gamers that reviewer complaints about high prices didn't matter much.

Well I asked the 20 people standing in line the other day and they said no it would not stop them buying the card.

 

And so far no one is blaming the customer yet, but they are replacing most if not all the cards that have burn marks.. So an inconvenience, Yes but still standing by the user error customer.

 

Hell, I have to make sure I don't become that guy my damn self! 😂

 

And look at the down votes. Facepalm.

 

 

And then people wonder why they lock everything down tight.

 

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

And so far no one is blaming the customer yet, but they are replacing most if not all the cards that have burn marks.. So an inconvenience, Yes but still standing by the user error customer.

 

Hell, I have to make sure I don't become that guy my damn self! 😂

If nvidia have denied replacements for burned cards now... It would be bad for the reputation. But what will happen a year or two forwards? 

 

HaHa😃 The first I would look after when I buy a used 4090 card... The 16-Pin '12VHPWR' connector😄

 

 

The added fancy features as Ray-tracing save nvidia's day. 

RX 7900 XTX, 7900 XT vs Nvidia RTX 4090 vs RTX 4080 performance preview using AMD's own data

neowin · 8 hours ago 8

Nvidia has now launched the RTX 4090 and the 4080 Ada Lovelace SKUs. Meanwhile, AMD is set to launch its own RX 7900 series GPUs in less than a month. In this article, we estimate how they stack up...

 

As one would expect, AMD's second-gen ray tracing performance is still nowhere close to Nvidia's third-generation capabilities on the RTX 40-series. In fact, in one instance out of the three, even the RTX 3090 Ti manages to trounce the RX 7900 XTX by a healthy margin.

 

Though, there is a lot to like about the upcoming AMD cards too. The RX 7900 XTX seems to be comfortably outperforming the RTX 4080 in rasterization while being $200 cheaper. In one case, even the 7900 XT manages to beat the 4080. However, bear in mind that these are first-party numbers we are using here for AMD, and it's just three games that may well be cherry-picked.

 

Now its up to the buyers to choose between "nice to have features" or lower cost.

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

 

Is this overclocked vs overclocked?  the stock 2080Ti VS overclocked 2080Ti is really day and night. 

Nope, both running with firmware defaults. Neither one overclocked. The 2080 Ti FTW3 is the beast I bought from Brother @Rage Set about three years ago that I shunt-modded and flashed a 2000W vBIOS, but in that comparison running the stock EVGA vBIOS with no offsets. The 3060 Ti FTW3 is as it came from EVGA except for the GPU block. It had a memory chip fail, so I sent it off to be fixed. The 3060 Ti was a surrogate GPU. Now I have to decide which one to keep. I'm almost thinking it's smarter to keep the newer GPU. It's good enough and might go an extra year or two on driver support before the Green Goblin's genocide squad steps in to ruin everything.

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

Well I asked the 20 people standing in line the other day and they said no it would not stop them buying the card.

 

And so far no one is blaming the customer yet, but they are replacing most if not all the cards that have burn marks.. So an inconvenience, Yes but still standing by the user error customer.

 

Hell, I have to make sure I don't become that guy my damn self! 😂

 

And look at the down votes. Facepalm.

 

And then people wonder why they lock everything down tight.

Some people can ruin anything just by staring at it for a minute or two. If they touch it, guaranteed... it is going to be effed up... real bad.

[Mr. Fox]

Well, no good deed goes unpunished. Screwed again by the devil-worshippers running eBay. Seller Protection my a$$.

[electrosoft]

10 hours ago, johnksss said:

Unfortunately he has feedback from 1 person with a score of 3 in the last 6 months of transactions.

So not really sure what hookup you may be referring too as with high ticket items and that many allegedly sold, you would want every 4090 customer to report in. And not one guy with a score of 3. Just my opinion...

 

Side note: Look at all those PS% people reporting in and 1 guy with a 4090....Seems pretty fishy to me.

 

9 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Sadly, many people never give feedback. Maybe 1 out of 10 things I sell on fleaBay gets any feedback. I have had people message me to say they are very happy with the item purchased, but even still they give no feedback. I always do as a matter of courtesy, especially when I am happy with the item.

 

8 hours ago, johnksss said:

True, but he has "sold" way to many for no one to say anything. That's a red flag. And it's easy enough to get it into a state where it looks like you sold more than you actually have.

Example:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=3090+kingpin&_sacat=0&rt=nc&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1

Says this guy sold the same card twice, when I'm pretty sure it only sold once in reality.

 

And to also look at the other side of the coin, I sold a 3090 and no feedback receive either, but I never leave feedback first as a seller. To easy for the buyer to then post a negative comment if you don't agree to their demands later.

 

Having sold on eBay for over 20 years across multiple accounts, I can absolutely guarantee the feedback for buyers is incredibly low overall even when you drop a little note in their package. With eBay now refreshing feedback yearly in regards to rating (but still showing total lifetime feedback for the account), feedback can make or break you quickly.

 

As for the seller, he has one negative in the last 6 months with 238 PS5 sales dating back to over a year yet his feedback from those sales is a fraction of the actual sell rate.  He clearly locks in on markup able items and sells them and has locked in on 4090 FE cards. My main point is the sell through rate of his cards at the 2200-2300 price point as an example of the much lower demand overall vs the Pandcrypto boom where those cards would have went for much more and sold much quicker.

 

It is also no coincidence he upped his inventory count by a few yesterday to coincide with Best Buy's mini drop of cards which included some 4080's and a few 4090's FE included.

 

He finally sold out today.

 

 

 

 

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well, no good deed goes unpunished. Screwed again by the devil-worshippers running eBay. Seller Protection my a$$.

 

I learned my lesson a long time ago with International sales and eBay. Absolutely zero protection and you are at the mercy of the other country's consumer laws which routinely rule in their favor.

 

Once I had two items go "missing" one arrived "damage" and another user open a PayPal case to return a CPU after over 6 months of use and WIN from Australia, I swore off International anything with eBay and even P2P except for wire transfers or selling to known associates.

 

I have people message and asked about International sales and I simply tell them I do not do it anymore because of rampant fraud with zero checksum systems in place to counter it. I am sure the bulk of International buyers are on the up and up but the International loopholes and frequent conflict of country consumer laws has me giving it a big thumbs down.

 

On the other hand, the new eBay buyer/seller systems make it much harder to scam as a seller and give eBay much more control to weed out shady buyers but even then if given a choice I'd prefer to sell to known associates or F2F.

 

 

[Talon]

 

Tried and tried to get my Z690 Dark to get stable with A-Die at really high clocks. Even though they released a BIOS that finally got it booting high memory frequency, above 7800 CL36 I could not stabilize. Maybe they'll drop a BIOS that fixes that, maybe they won't and will "encourage" customers to buy the 790 to get stable high A-Die clocks. 

 

The Apex stabilized at 8000 CL36 at stock 1.4v for DRAM and autos on everything else with XMP Tweaked Preset. Played an hour on Warzone II and 2042 and no issues after testing ram. I've thrown a bit more voltage at the 8200 CL36 I'm testing now, no idea since I just got it all setup this evening. 

[Mr. Fox]

Thanks eBay... appreciate getting screwed so much.

 

 

[johnksss]

dbl post

[johnksss]

Looks like my Microcenter still has plenty of cards.

https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?N=4294966937&NTK=all&sortby=pricehigh

 

@electrosoft

I wasn't really trying to make a point just giving my observation on that seller, but since we are at it. Lets see what he has really sold. This being regardless of feedback.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=4090&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc&_pgn=1

Since the launch of the 4090 this guy only sold 1 4090. And the 1 4090 he sold he has feedback for. Can't get any more plainer than that.

So as I said before...It sounds fishy to me.

 

Side note:

Line for 4080's didn't start until about 24 hours before launch and at 2 am I saw about 30 people in line as I drove through the parking lot.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

Looks like my Microcenter still has plenty of cards.

https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?N=4294966937&NTK=all&sortby=pricehigh

Looks like everything is still a poor value and priced very stupid until you get into RX 550 and GTX 1650  ~$200 price range. It is expected that something current is going to be overpriced, but my goodness... some of the old garbage that nobody wanted when it was new tech is still priced for idiots. The fact that it is still rotting on a store shelf because nobody wanted it during the pandemic when people were happy to have something better than integrated graphics say a lot. 

[johnksss]

7 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Tried and tried to get my Z690 Dark to get stable with A-Die at really high clocks. Even though they released a BIOS that finally got it booting high memory frequency, above 7800 CL36 I could not stabilize. Maybe they'll drop a BIOS that fixes that, maybe they won't and will "encourage" customers to buy the 790 to get stable high A-Die clocks. 

 

The Apex stabilized at 8000 CL36 at stock 1.4v for DRAM and autos on everything else with XMP Tweaked Preset. Played an hour on Warzone II and 2042 and no issues after testing ram. I've thrown a bit more voltage at the 8200 CL36 I'm testing now, no idea since I just got it all setup this evening. 

Best watchout posting aida64 over on OCN. They have a few haters over there. LOL

[Mr. Fox]

34 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Best watchout posting aida64 over on OCN. They have a few haters over there. LOL

Sometimes haters like that are an incentive to post. It can be amusing to poke the (gummy) bear just so see what kind of shrill crybaby noise it is going to make.

[johnksss]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Sometimes haters like that are an incentive to post. It can be amusing to poke the (gummy) bear just so see what kind of shrill crybaby noise it is going to make.

True, but there may be some basis to the argument but going over board about it is what some do.😂