*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Robeytech unboxing and installing the unreleased EVGA CLX 360 AIO while building out a Z690 K|NGP|N. Rad looks about the same but pump looks updated at least and new fans (No more screaming eagles?):

 

 

The older fans push a lot air. Helped me a lot on the old 3070K setup. It would be bad if they go for less noise over performance. And not so sure I like the rounded fan design. Yep,  I'm quite a traditional guy, LOOL but we'll see when the reviews is out 🙂 Evga should have used an thicker rad and also offered an 420 mm AIO.

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4951931_papusan_cinebench___r20_core_i9_12900k_12016_cb

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4951935_papusan_cinebench___r23_multi_core_with_benchmate_core_i9_12900k_31603_cb?recalculate=true

[solidus1983]

On 3/13/2022 at 12:29 PM, ryan said:

xbox game pass pc 1 month

 

first to get it wins lol

 

Thank you.

[ryan]

yw. i post games often...keep posted

 

[solidus1983]

15 minutes ago, ryan said:

yw. i post games often...keep posted

 

 

Is that with an Overclock? As thats a decent score that for a RTX 3060 Mobile. 

[ryan]

stock...but with an undervolt so I guess its an overclock with these new gpus..I want to break 9000 gpu but I'm not sure how to do it....best I got was around 8800 in time spy that is

 

 

heres cinebench r23..I wonder how I fare against a 10th gen i7 seeing as how im throttling

 

 

edit its doing the crop thing again....it was around 11800...lol for my 11800h

[electrosoft]

IGOR's lab binning trays of 12900's https://www.igorslab.de/en/looking-for-the-egg-laying-wool-milk-cpu-intel-12th-gen-alder-lake-imc-binning-with-ddr4-ddr5-and-sp-values/

 

[Tenoroon]

Hey @Papusan, how much OC headroom do you have with your 9900k in your P870? I found a good deal on a 9900k near me, but am mostly worried about the VRM as the 9900k is a very power hungry chip. Temps won't be a big deal as I have a source for a hybrid CPU heatsink.

[Papusan]

16 minutes ago, Tenoroon said:

Hey @Papusan, how much OC headroom do you have with your 9900k in your P870? I found a good deal on a 9900k near me, but am mostly worried about the VRM as the 9900k is a very power hungry chip. Temps won't be a big deal as I have a source for a hybrid CPU heatsink.

Hi. You'll reach 5.0 with an ok chips. There is an Amp cap shutdown around 166w so there isn't much more you can do with the older Clevo model. Run it stock and call it a day. An 8700K is more than enough. If you can get an binned one with low leakage(cooler running chips), the better. An P870TM model would be a better choice for an 9900K. 

[Ashtrix]

AMD drops the ball harder than anything. Pile of trash.

It’s official: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D does not support overclocking

100% Junkyard trash no questions asked. This CPU is worse than all of the X series AM4 processors. X3D, the SKU naming has X which stands for Unlocked CPU. Now you pay same price as 5800X but get clock reduction and no OC support on top. Basically a "Gaming" processor wth is this nonsense. An Intel i5 12600K churns through games and OCes like a beast heck a bare bone low grade ADL 4C8T P only processor i3 with BLCK OC rips through, Intel scrambles on that. But this AMD is shameless.

 

What's this new "Gaming" crap fad. Any damn processor since Ryzen 3000 or Intel 8th gen can cut through all games, and people forget how ALL the mainstream reviewers run the CPUs are Stock Powerlimits for both AMD and Intel and run basic DDR4 4DIMM slotted memory. So any tuning is a win win. How the hell are people comparing this pile of junk with 12900K... For that gaming what about other workloads ? damn it desktop is also getting effected by this cancerous trash. This hunk of junk will die on AM4 a miserable death, for one I hate BGA more than anything but damn this type of rip-off is inexcusable in my book.  Intel's Broadwell and Crystalwell Processors with L4 cache did well in gaming and OC too (Crystalwell is locked I guess). But this is not. Shame.

 

Ugh now AMD has castrated, chastised, buggy trash as a send off to AM4 socket. If anyone asks me, this is far worse than Rocket Lake LGA1200.

[Reciever]

I did want one, so a little bummed out on that note.

 

Hopefully it actually delivers otherwise FX-9590 memes will have a field day.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Ashtrix said:

AMD drops the ball harder than anything. Pile of trash.

It’s official: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D does not support overclocking

100% Junkyard trash no questions asked. This CPU is worse than all of the X series AM4 processors. X3D, the SKU naming has X which stands for Unlocked CPU. Now you pay same price as 5800X but get clock reduction and no OC support on top. Basically a "Gaming" processor wth is this nonsense. An Intel i5 12600K churns through games and OCes like a beast heck a bare bone low grade ADL 4C8T P only processor i3 with BLCK OC rips through, Intel scrambles on that. But this AMD is shameless.

 

What's this new "Gaming" crap fad. Any damn processor since Ryzen 3000 or Intel 8th gen can cut through all games, and people forget how ALL the mainstream reviewers run the CPUs are Stock Powerlimits for both AMD and Intel and run basic DDR4 4DIMM slotted memory. So any tuning is a win win. How the hell are people comparing this pile of junk with 12900K... For that gaming what about other workloads ? damn it desktop is also getting effected by this cancerous trash. This hunk of junk will die on AM4 a miserable death, for one I hate BGA more than anything but damn this type of rip-off is inexcusable in my book.  Intel's Broadwell and Crystalwell Processors with L4 cache did well in gaming and OC too (Crystalwell is locked I guess). But this is not. Shame.

 

Ugh now AMD has castrated, chastised, buggy trash as a send off to AM4 socket. If anyone asks me, this is far worse than Rocket Lake LGA1200.

HaHa. The gamer kids don't need overclocking. I would expect an 5950X3D would be an disaster if they have dared release a new locked down flagship. 

 

And AMD try hard to grab a few customers they screwed since fall 2020 when they only wanted sell new MB. All in the love try grab customers from walking to Intel. 

Motherboard Makers Enable Support for Latest Ryzen CPUs 

By Tomshardware.com

AMD 400/500-series motherboards get Ryzen 7 5800X3D support, other platforms get support for Ryzen 5/7 4000/5000-series SKUs.

 

AMD announces new Ryzen 5000 and 4000 series processors, AMD 300-series motherboards to support Ryzen 5000 series
https://videocardz.com/press-release/amd-announces-new-ryzen-5000-and-4000-series-processors-amd-300-series-motherboards-to-support-ryzen-5000-series

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4953291_papusan_aquamark_geforce_gtx_1070_513511_marks

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4953272_papusan_pifast_core_i9_12900k_10sec_90ms

[ryan]

hey good morning guys 🙂

 

just checked out aid64extreme and it says my monitor supports 342mhz and 143mhz...I'm currently running 144hz is this a false positive?

 

here:

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, ryan said:

hey good morning guys 🙂

 

just checked out aid64extreme and it says my monitor supports 342mhz and 143mhz...I'm currently running 144hz is this a false positive?

 

here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/7s2t7a/why_does_aida_64_say_my_pixel_clock_is_14850mhz/

 

@Ashtrix

Pcworlds's awful editors strikes again. The 3DV-Cashe is enough for the entusiasts. They are fine with locked down X-branded chips. I can't understand why AM allowed the X-moniker on a locked down chips. But well known letters sell as you know. 

 

All that being said, the lack of options for overclocking on one CPU isn’t the end of the world for the enthusiast market. Intel and AMD have been optimizing their chips so completely that there’s little overhead room left for overclockers, at least at the enthusiast level without unlimited budgets and easy access to liquid nitrogen. The performance boost from the ultra-low latency cache should more than make up for the lack of overclocking options for the vast majority of users.
https://www.pcworld.com/article/624225/confirmed-the-ryzen-7-5800x3d-cant-be-overclocked.html

[electrosoft]

11 hours ago, Ashtrix said:

AMD drops the ball harder than anything. Pile of trash.

It’s official: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D does not support overclocking

100% Junkyard trash no questions asked. This CPU is worse than all of the X series AM4 processors. X3D, the SKU naming has X which stands for Unlocked CPU. Now you pay same price as 5800X but get clock reduction and no OC support on top. Basically a "Gaming" processor wth is this nonsense. An Intel i5 12600K churns through games and OCes like a beast heck a bare bone low grade ADL 4C8T P only processor i3 with BLCK OC rips through, Intel scrambles on that. But this AMD is shameless.

 

What's this new "Gaming" crap fad. Any damn processor since Ryzen 3000 or Intel 8th gen can cut through all games, and people forget how ALL the mainstream reviewers run the CPUs are Stock Powerlimits for both AMD and Intel and run basic DDR4 4DIMM slotted memory. So any tuning is a win win. How the hell are people comparing this pile of junk with 12900K... For that gaming what about other workloads ? damn it desktop is also getting effected by this cancerous trash. This hunk of junk will die on AM4 a miserable death, for one I hate BGA more than anything but damn this type of rip-off is inexcusable in my book.  Intel's Broadwell and Crystalwell Processors with L4 cache did well in gaming and OC too (Crystalwell is locked I guess). But this is not. Shame.

 

Ugh now AMD has castrated, chastised, buggy trash as a send off to AM4 socket. If anyone asks me, this is far worse than Rocket Lake LGA1200.

 

(Intel launches 11th gen)

AMD: Hahahahaha! LOSERS! So desperate! Frankenchip! 🤣🤣🤣

(Intel launches 12th gen )

AMD:  😬😱

(AMD launches 5800X3D)

/facepalm

 

Hard pass for me....If I can't OC it I don't want it and the neutered clocks says it all. Plus having used the 5800x before it was hitting a hard wall at 4.7 all core for me and mine was golden @Rage Set 's 5800x was even more golden and hit a bit higher (4.8?) but I'd still like the chance to see where I could take it.

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

(Intel launches 11th gen)

AMD: Hahahahaha! LOSERS! So desperate! Frankenchip! 🤣🤣🤣

(Intel launches 12th gen )

AMD:  😬😱

(AMD launches 5800X3D)

/facepalm

 

Hard pass for me....If I can't OC it I don't want it and the neutered clocks says it all. Plus having used the 5800x before it was hitting a hard wall at 4.7 all core for me and mine was golden @Rage Set 's 5800x was even more golden and hit a bit higher (4.8?) but I'd still like the chance to see where I could take it.

 

 

 

 

AMD couldn't allow more voltage for this chips to be able to stay within specs. Hence we saw a drop both in base clock and max boost clocks vs 5800X. I hail Intel that go long outside specs for TDP when the chips execute boost clocks at default speed. AMD have still something to learn from the Blue team. A lot.

 

But this new AMD ball capped chips on their EOL platform reminds me all too much about Intel's huge failure when they waved goodbye for 14nm with Z590 and Franken Chips while they gave all 10nm love for their BGA Junk for same 11th gen chips for Jokebooks. Todays tech companies sucks. Red or Blue pills doesn't matter. The greed and stupidity from the industri reach new awful levels for each new year.

[Tenoroon]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

AMD couldn't allow more voltage for this chips to be able to stay within specs. Hence we saw a drop both in base clock and max boost clocks vs 5800X. I hail Intel that go long outside specs for TDP when the chips execute boost clocks at default speed. AMD have still something to learn from the Blue team. A lot.

 

But this new AMD ball capped chips on their EOL platform reminds me all too much about Intel's huge failure when they waved goodbye for 14nm with Z590 and Franken Chips while they gave all 10nm love for their BGA Junk for same 11th gen chips for Jokebooks. Todays tech companies sucks. Red or Blue pills doesn't matter. The greed and stupidity from the industri reach new awful levels for each new year.

It's probably also the die size, keep in mind that they are stacking cache on top of the cores (and maybe the I/O die? I'm not there yet in understanding how different parts of the CPU interact) There is more mass that the heat has to travel through to be removed from the chip.

[Papusan]

24 minutes ago, Tenoroon said:

It's probably also the die size, keep in mind that they are stacking cache on top of the cores (and maybe the I/O die? I'm not there yet in understanding how different parts of the CPU interact) There is more mass that the heat has to travel through to be removed from the chip.

This explain it more.... https://www.tomshardware.com/news/its-official-ryzen-7-5800x3d-is-not-overclockable

 

This is an X branded chips. Lock you out from tweaking your processors is so.... Jokebooks.

 

[ryan]

 

 

run at 3.4ghz max temps 88c, basically the max I can do. not bad not good

[Clamibot]

I have a question. How much power can a mini-ITX motherboard push into the CPU? I know the 8-pin CPU EPS connector is rated for 250 watts, but I'm wondering if the CPU can be supplied more than that on a mini-ITX motherboard.

 

My plan is to build a portable PC for my next build because I doubt there will be any laptop in upcoming hardware generations that would be worth buying. They all suck now. I really hope proper DTRs make a comeback in the future, but I want a contingency plan ready if that doesn't happen.

 

If I cannot push more than 250 watts to the CPU on a mini-ITX motherboard, I think I'll go with a micro-ATX motherboard, but I wanted to consult you guys first. My current plan is to get a mini-ITX motherboard, a future core i9, an Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 AIO, 32 GB of actually good DDR5 RAM (whenever that happens), and a mid-range GPU.

 

Like every system I've ever had, I want to overclock the crap out of it, hence the 420mm AIO I picked for a mini-ITX based build and my question on the capabilities of mini-ITX motherboards.

[electrosoft]

39 minutes ago, Clamibot said:

I have a question. How much power can a mini-ITX motherboard push into the CPU? I know the 8-pin CPU EPS connector is rated for 250 watts, but I'm wondering if the CPU can be supplied more than that on a mini-ITX motherboard.

 

My plan is to build a portable PC for my next build because I doubt there will be any laptop in upcoming hardware generations that would be worth buying. They all suck now. I really hope proper DTRs make a comeback in the future, but I want a contingency plan ready if that doesn't happen.

 

If I cannot push more than 250 watts to the CPU on a mini-ITX motherboard, I think I'll go with a micro-ATX motherboard, but I wanted to consult you guys first. My current plan is to get a mini-ITX motherboard, a future core i9, an Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 AIO, 32 GB of actually good DDR5 RAM (whenever that happens), and a mid-range GPU.

 

Like every system I've ever had, I want to overclock the crap out of it, hence the 420mm AIO I picked for a mini-ITX based build and my question on the capabilities of mini-ITX motherboards.

 

I've been chopping it up with my bud the last month or so thinking the same thing building out an "ultra portable" mini-itx or micro atx and either a lightweight, compact 17.3"+ display or use a USB powered 17.3" display meaning minimal hassle and only one power outlet required. Couple that with a cherry picked CPU like my 12900k I have now that has lots of headroom but knowing at stock it will pull ~163-170w even under CB23 level loads and build around that. Turn off the e cores and that plummets even more.

 

We've even been thinking of a 3d printed chassis with custom specs but that would be more in line with an actual massive laptop form factor (Think a super thick mALX-19 or Predator 21 size body). Height is determined by the shortest, viable sff PSU.

 

I would think 250w, depending on CPU quality, would afford decent headroom for overclocking except for major all core benching.

 

Depending on AMD's 6000 series and considering cooling and headroom, that would be a possible sff portable build out too.

 

I have an Asrock B660M micro ATX MB to play around with for mock ups at the moment and researching a lot of cases both micro and mini.

 

OR Clevo pulls their head out of the sand and brings us another DTR. I'm fine with Intel or AMD 6000 series.

 

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Clamibot said:

I have a question. How much power can a mini-ITX motherboard push into the CPU? I know the 8-pin CPU EPS connector is rated for 250 watts, but I'm wondering if the CPU can be supplied more than that on a mini-ITX motherboard.

 

My plan is to build a portable PC for my next build because I doubt there will be any laptop in upcoming hardware generations that would be worth buying. They all suck now. I really hope proper DTRs make a comeback in the future, but I want a contingency plan ready if that doesn't happen.

 

If I cannot push more than 250 watts to the CPU on a mini-ITX motherboard, I think I'll go with a micro-ATX motherboard, but I wanted to consult you guys first. My current plan is to get a mini-ITX motherboard, a future core i9, an Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 AIO, 32 GB of actually good DDR5 RAM (whenever that happens), and a mid-range GPU.

 

Like every system I've ever had, I want to overclock the crap out of it, hence the 420mm AIO I picked for a mini-ITX based build and my question on the capabilities of mini-ITX motherboards.

I mean the the 8 pin supplies 235 continuous watts and then you have the 75 watts from the CPU slot. Aka 310W for peak. Not a viable slution for constant load over prolonged time. And you'll easy pass ++300W if you intend to overclock for benching (undervolt for lower wattage won't save you if you try to max out the overclock potentiale). Also the ITX boards need to follow the standard.

[Mr. Fox]

17 hours ago, Ashtrix said:

AMD drops the ball harder than anything. Pile of trash.

It’s official: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D does not support overclocking

100% Junkyard trash no questions asked. This CPU is worse than all of the X series AM4 processors. X3D, the SKU naming has X which stands for Unlocked CPU. Now you pay same price as 5800X but get clock reduction and no OC support on top. Basically a "Gaming" processor wth is this nonsense. An Intel i5 12600K churns through games and OCes like a beast heck a bare bone low grade ADL 4C8T P only processor i3 with BLCK OC rips through, Intel scrambles on that. But this AMD is shameless.

 

What's this new "Gaming" crap fad. Any damn processor since Ryzen 3000 or Intel 8th gen can cut through all games, and people forget how ALL the mainstream reviewers run the CPUs are Stock Powerlimits for both AMD and Intel and run basic DDR4 4DIMM slotted memory. So any tuning is a win win. How the hell are people comparing this pile of junk with 12900K... For that gaming what about other workloads ? damn it desktop is also getting effected by this cancerous trash. This hunk of junk will die on AM4 a miserable death, for one I hate BGA more than anything but damn this type of rip-off is inexcusable in my book.  Intel's Broadwell and Crystalwell Processors with L4 cache did well in gaming and OC too (Crystalwell is locked I guess). But this is not. Shame.

 

Ugh now AMD has castrated, chastised, buggy trash as a send off to AM4 socket. If anyone asks me, this is far worse than Rocket Lake LGA1200.

And, they released this because....... why? Oh yeah... they're AMD. Like Forest Gump said, "Stupid is as stupid does."

6 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

(Intel launches 11th gen)

AMD: Hahahahaha! LOSERS! So desperate! Frankenchip! 🤣🤣🤣

(Intel launches 12th gen )

AMD:  😬😱

(AMD launches 5800X3D)

/facepalm

 

Hard pass for me....If I can't OC it I don't want it and the neutered clocks says it all. Plus having used the 5800x before it was hitting a hard wall at 4.7 all core for me and mine was golden @Rage Set 's 5800x was even more golden and hit a bit higher (4.8?) but I'd still like the chance to see where I could take it.

 

 

 

 

They only compete when it requires minimal effort. When they get beat it seems they tend to take their toys and go home. Hopefully, they won't wait another decade + to come back out to play.

[Mr. Fox]

Windows replacement is getting closer. The Redmond Retards need to pull their head out before they choke to death on their own poop.

 

 

Fake Windows might get better than real Windows. Almost there already. 5+ hours so far today with no reason for me to boot into Windows that I can identify.

 

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Windows replacement is getting closer. The Redmond Retards need to pull their head out before they choke to death on their own poop.

 

 

I just wish this was true. No baby cores and instead 12 real cores. And that Intel would release Raptor lake with 16 or 18 cores instead for more of the small baby cores. Isn't that correct bro @Ashtrix? 

 

Maybe they have fixed the flaw in latest Cpu-X version https://github.com/X0rg/CPU-X/releases/tag/v4.3.0

 

Yep, this show Apple in a nutshell. They follow the tech trend as hand in glove. The bell sheep in the tech industri taken with their pants down. 

 

"The company claimed that the M1 Ultra could offer greater performance than the Intel Core i9-12900K while consuming 100 fewer watts at load. But the most outrageous claim was likely the assertion that the M1 Ultra's 64-core GPU #offered better performance# than the flagship NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 while undercutting it by 200 watts in power consumption".

 

Apple M1 Ultra's 64-Core GPU Fails to Dethrone the Mighty RTX 3090

[Clamibot]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

I've been chopping it up with my bud the last month or so thinking the same thing building out an "ultra portable" mini-itx or micro atx and either a lightweight, compact 17.3"+ display or use a USB powered 17.3" display meaning minimal hassle and only one power outlet required. Couple that with a cherry picked CPU like my 12900k I have now that has lots of headroom but knowing at stock it will pull ~163-170w even under CB23 level loads and build around that. Turn off the e cores and that plummets even more.

 

We've even been thinking of a 3d printed chassis with custom specs but that would be more in line with an actual massive laptop form factor (Think a super thick mALX-19 or Predator 21 size body). Height is determined by the shortest, viable sff PSU.

 

I would think 250w, depending on CPU quality, would afford decent headroom for overclocking except for major all core benching.

 

Depending on AMD's 6000 series and considering cooling and headroom, that would be a possible sff portable build out too.

 

I have an Asrock B660M micro ATX MB to play around with for mock ups at the moment and researching a lot of cases both micro and mini.

 

OR Clevo pulls their head out of the sand and brings us another DTR. I'm fine with Intel or AMD 6000 series.

 

 

 

I was hoping something like Slabtop would come to the market as that is essentially a laptop style chassis for desktop parts. Unfortunately, that product never came to the market.

 

My plan for my ultraportable SFF gaming PC is to get a mini-ITX motherboard, a future core i9, an Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 AIO, 32 GB of actually good DDR5 RAM (whenever that happens), and a mid-range GPU. I will be powering it using 2 HDPLEX 400w picopsus, and get 2 Bixpower CP300s to battery power it when I need to use the system away from a power outlet. I will be using a portable 17 inch usb-c powered 144Hz screen as well.

 

The one component I can't seem to find is a case I want for this build. I'm seriously considering building one out of legos because I can't find what I want.