*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Reciever said:

Yes I observed this behavior as well particularly when you scroll quickly. It does retain the pictures after the first instance, but of course refreshing the page makes it "the first instance" all over again.

Yes I did get a little feedback elsewhere on that particular topic. I'll look into how we can host larger pictures longer term.

I will do some research to see if this behavior can be altered on a user level or if there are means to mitigate the page jerk, it allows for smoother initial load times but especially in this thread, it can lead to less than desirable experience.

I had  not really noticed it before, but since you guys mentioned it I refreshed the page and see now what you are referring to. If I had a slower internet connection it might be kind of annoying, but the images load very quickly as I scroll down the page. I am assuming the "pop" that @Rage Set mentioned is how they instantly/sudden appear on the page as you scroll down. Not sure if that is what that means or not.

 

One additional thing I did notice was if I was like half way down the page when I refreshed it would load the page at the same place I was at prior to the page being refreshed, but then it would scroll itself up to the top of the page almost as if I were scrolling the page myself. Very odd, and I had not noticed that before.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Rage Set said:

 

I am fine with it but what I am trying to figure out is why my 12900K is short about 1100 points in CB20 against my 5950X. I got a lot to explore. The P-Cores are at 5.0 and the E-Cores are at 4.0. The 5950X was 4.650. Very interesting first runs. 

That is odd. Try running Cinebench with ThrottleStop running with the "Limits" window open and see if anything like "VMax Stress" shows up as a performnce limiter. That was something that did not exist with the Z490 Dark and it made my 10900K run like crap on the Z590 Dark. It did not show evidence of throttling looking at the core clocks, but did lower benchmark scores. With that VMax crap disabled using ThrottleStop my Cinebench scores jumped way  up. See that, I had @Prema  unlock all of the BIOS menus for me and disabling VMax Stress stopped the problem. The stock Z590 Dark had it hidden and enabled. After that I reached out to EVGA to get them to expose the PPD and VMax Stress options. I could not test it since I sold the Z590 Dark as new/sealed box, but Brother @tps3443tested it and found it working much better.

 

Your ASUS BIOS might have the option exposed to disable VMax Stress. It was super-stupid that EVGA had it hidden. The 10850K ran even worse on the Z590 Dark. It would VMax Stress throttle to like 4.7GHz if I set the core ratio above 53x.  The 10900K clocks did not drop, but performance somehow did. Not sure if it pulled back the power limits or what. It was also weird that 10850K and 10900K behaved differently from one another, but both had sucky performance because of the VMax Stress baloney being enabled. Without the BIOS menus exposed to disable it, the only way I could get proper performance at higher clock speeds was to launch ThrottleStop with VMax Stress disabled.

[Reciever]

17 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I had  not really noticed it before, but since you guys mentioned it I refreshed the page and see now what you are referring to. If I had a slower internet connection it might be kind of annoying, but the images load very quickly as I scroll down the page. I am assuming the "pop" that @Rage Set mentioned is how they instantly/sudden appear on the page as you scroll down. Not sure if that is what that means or not.

 

One additional thing I did notice was if I was like half way down the page when I refreshed it would load the page at the same place I was at prior to the page being refreshed, but then it would scroll itself up to the top of the page almost as if I were scrolling the page myself. Very odd, and I had not noticed that before.

I dont know if its something I make optional, but I think some may appreciate having that choice for themselves. I cant guarantee anything as Hiew is the veteran but as we all know, what we learn as a hobby and what we need to learn can differ. For now it will be left as is since its working well but I did want to ping you guys since you post many links, pictures and embeds.

I will ping @Mr. Fox again in the near future for some things that may interest you, as with all things it comes down to a function of time, happy posting until then fella's !

[Mr. Fox]

For all of the Z690 early adopters, this thread is an interesting read. Brother @Rage Setis your Strix a Z690-A board or something else? 

Asus Strix Z690-A Issues

[Mr. Fox]

37 minutes ago, Reciever said:

I dont know if its something I make optional, but I think some may appreciate having that choice for themselves. I cant guarantee anything as Hiew is the veteran but as we all know, what we learn as a hobby and what we need to learn can differ. For now it will be left as is since its working well but I did want to ping you guys since you post many links, pictures and embeds.

I will ping @Mr. Fox again in the near future for some things that may interest you, as with all things it comes down to a function of time, happy posting until then fella's !

You and @Hieware doing a nice job of keeping the new house in order. The competing forum (for lack of a better term) doesn't seem to be well-kept. They are leaving spambot feces all over the place, including porno garbage. Posts have been reported and some ignored for days now.

 

Examples:

https://www.laptopforum.net/forumdisplay.php?fid=39

 

[Reciever]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

You and @Hieware doing a nice job of keeping the new house in order. The competing forum (for lack of a better term) doesn't seem to be well-kept. They are leaving spambot feces all over the place, including porno garbage. Posts have been reported and some ignored for days now.

 

Examples:

https://www.laptopforum.net/forumdisplay.php?fid=39

 

Thanks for the endorsement, we still have loads to do and even more we want to do. Still learning as we go so certain things may take longer than we expect but we will get there 🙂

[Rage Set]

10 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

For all of the Z690 early adopters, this thread is an interesting read. Brother @Rage Setis your Strix a Z690-A board or something else? 

Asus Strix Z690-A Issues

 

Perhaps I've been lucky with my Asus D4 board. Honestly, and I knew that coming in, that board and my Z690 Extreme are overclocking the same. Obviously I got more testing to do but Asus did a good job with the D4 for plain o overclocking. 

[ryan]

new highest firestrike

19300, highest gpu, average cpu, highest combined

 

[Mr. Fox]

[ryan]

mr fox im getting 48000 but wheres the download link to memtweakit

[Custom90gt]

I'm seriously considering picking up a 12900k since both my 12700k CPUs have a SP value of 68 and 69.  It's not doing my loop any justice.  Then again since I've really lost the time/knowledge compared to my "golden years" I'm not going to do either justice, lol.

[ryan]

 

hard topping this mr fox what do you get with your 3090...would be nice to see laptop common vs

desktop elite.

 

and custom90gt jesus man get it together, buy threadripper 3990X and a 3090 and get it together 😛

it might be sold out but look into it https://www.newegg.ca/amd-ryzen-threadripper-3990x/p/N82E16819113620

[Mr. Fox]

35 minutes ago, ryan said:

mr fox im getting 48000 but wheres the download link to memtweakit

It probably will not launch on newer versions of W10/11. I know it won't on my systems. It only works on LTSC 2019 (1809) and older because the newer OSes are too screwed up. Here is a link to download it from my Google Drive. Feel free to download it and try it though.

33 minutes ago, Custom90gt said:

I'm seriously considering picking up a 12900k since both my 12700k CPUs have a SP value of 68 and 69.  It's not doing my loop any justice.  Then again since I've really lost the time/knowledge compared to my "golden years" I'm not going to do either justice, lol.

I would if I were in your shoes. It is often hard to find good bin quality in CPUs below the flagship model.

7 minutes ago, ryan said:

 

hard topping this mr fox what do you get with your 3090...would be nice to see laptop common vs

desktop elite.

 

and custom90gt jesus man get it together, buy threadripper 3990X and a 3090 and get it together 😛

it might be sold out but look into it https://www.newegg.ca/amd-ryzen-threadripper-3990x/p/N82E16819113620

Your benchmark is not accurate because both GPUs are selected. Uncheck the Intel graphics and run it again. Notice it says 2 GPUs.

[Mr. Fox]

So, I put one of the OptimusPC full cover thermal pads on the 3090 KPE. It produced a modest improvement in temperatures. The backplate doesn't gets as crazy hot directly over the core and memory components and the entire backplate gets warmer than it used to. (Seems completely logical, as the heat is being more evenly distributed across the backplate than before.) It is a little better overall. But, it wasn't the major improvement I was hoping for. I used EVGA OC Scanner's Furmark Memory Burner tool for 5 minutes before and after, so that is also a pretty brutal test.

 

We will see how it does with the backplate water block once it gets here. This should be a good foundation for the backplate water block to work more effectively.

 

[ryan]

 

 

no wonder it was so high....hows this

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, ryan said:

 

 

no wonder it was so high....hows this

The preview is too small to see anything and if I click the image to enlarge it I get a "Bad Gateway" error.

[Mr. Fox]

Guys, check out this 3090 KPE custom backplate, as well as this fellow's crazy awesome steampunk office.

 

 

[Talon]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Guys, check out this 3090 KPE custom backplate, as well as this fellow's crazy awesome steampunk office.

 

 

 

Wow. I could stay in that office all day. 

[Mr. Fox]

19 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

Wow. I could stay in that office all day. 

I know, right? Totally love the look of how he decorated it. I also love that KPE backplate and wish I had one just like it for mine. I am tempted to see if I can have one fabricated. Having the MP5WORKS block bolted solid to it would be awesome versus using the bungie straps.

[Papusan]

Yep the eadded E-cores (Baby cores) fused in their unlocked flagship chips is cheapo Junk. You should really expect more from Intel and their gaming flagship chips. 

 

by Zak Killian - Mon, Feb 14, 2022

Intel Alder Lake-N Specs Leak With All Gracemont E-Cores For Budget Builds

 

Arcane CPU tweaks just made buying a laptop harder. Here’s the info you need: pcworld.com

P-Cores? E-cores? GPU cores? We break it all down

 

A big.LITTLE story
Using cores with different architectures in a single chip is an idea borrowed from smartphone chip design.

In their early years, chips designed for phones had an architecture with many cores of the same type, just like PC processors. However, chip architects knew they could increase efficiency if they could instead pair different architectures with varying design. Damn ugly @Ashtrix 

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4931969_papusan_pifast_core_i9_12900k_10sec_120ms

https://hwbot.org/submission/4931989_papusan_superpi___1m_core_i9_12900k_(8p)_6sec_199ms

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4931855_papusan_3dmark___fire_strike_geforce_gtx_750_ti_5552_marks

[Mr. Fox]

7 hours ago, Papusan said:

Arcane CPU tweaks just made buying a laptop harder. Here’s the info you need: pcworld.com

Yup. Nothing is too crappy for the turdbook kiddos. As long as it has RGB and an anorexic form factor it doesn't need to be worth a damn otherwise. 

7 hours ago, Papusan said:

P-Cores? E-cores? GPU cores? We break it all down

 

A big.LITTLE story
Using cores with different architectures in a single chip is an idea borrowed from smartphone chip design.

In their early years, chips designed for phones had an architecture with many cores of the same type, just like PC processors. However, chip architects knew they could increase efficiency if they could instead pair different architectures with varying design. Damn ugly

 

[Mr. Fox]

On 2/15/2022 at 3:27 PM, Mr. Fox said:

Sold and shipped the Z590 Dark today.

Man, I really hate eBay. I feel sexually violated anything I sell something through their mafia web site.

Quote

We sent a payout of $292.13 on Feb 17, 2022 to your bank account

So, basically  I lost $70 on the sale if I don't count the $32 I paid for the buyer to have "free" shipping. Bastards. (Sale price was $400.)

[Tenoroon]

29 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Man, I really hate eBay. I feel sexually violated anything I sell something through their mafia web site.

So, basically  I lost $70 on the sale if I don't count the $32 I paid for the buyer to have "free" shipping. Bastards.

I feel you, I still need to get rid of my 980m, and to get a decent amount of money from it, I'd have to sell it for around 200 which I really don't want to do. I was hoping it would be sold on NBR but its too late now lol. 

[Custom90gt]

Well initial messing around with the Oloy ram and I'm happy with it.  Loaded XMP and then set it to 6400mhz and 1.4v and it's 20 hours AIDA64 stable.  Now I just gotta mess around with tightening the timings to reduce the crazy latency. 

[electrosoft]

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Man, I really hate eBay. I feel sexually violated anything I sell something through their mafia web site.

So, basically  I lost $70 on the sale if I don't count the $32 I paid for the buyer to have "free" shipping. Bastards. (Sale price was $400.)

 

I explain it to buyers all the time who ask "Why is ur price so hi lolz?"

 

You end up having to explain to them:

 

Sales tax is automatically collected and remitted.

eBay's cut

S&H

 

I will take the time if they're nice to explain how a $100 sale ends up being $106-$110 for them w/ tax and ~$87 in my pocket after ebay fees. Now multiply that by a factor of X to reflect the actual sell price before S&H even enters the equation.

 

On the other hand, it's a free market and you're able to sell anywhere from a local flea market to a global platform like eBay but everyone wants their cut. You could sell on Amazon but if you think seller rules can be draconian on eBay, Amazon will kick it up a notch for you for shiggles.

 

The final insult? The new reporting threshholds ($20k now reduced to $600) to the IRS making it a PITA to just be a private seller offloading used items you no longer need so now you have to be even more meticulous with record keeping and filing your taxes yearly.