All about Windows 11 news and announcements

[Katja]

On 8/13/2022 at 2:08 PM, Azther said:

sorry to bring up an old post but figured you and @Reciever would like to know this if you dont already know, pso2 works on steam deck with proton-ge 29, which is the newest update as of 7th august. So with this pso2 should now in theory work under whatever flavour of linux you like as long as the necessary dependencies are installed. Just found out this info today lol

It was working on a previous version of Proton after GameGuard for the global server got updated; you just had to enable casefolding on whatever file system the game was installed to, if it's EXT4 or F2FS. The patch is built into that version of Proton, making it WAY EASIER.

[GeekBear80]

I think it is hilarious with Windows 11. It was preinstalled on my HP Omen 16 and I could stand it for one hour before I had enough of their "Launcher" (the 11 Start Menu is simply what they called "Launcher" in 10X) and I realized that I didn't see anything it could do "better" than Windows 10 LTSC 2021 with ClassicShell and WindowBlinds. So out it went, Windows 10 LTSC went in and I am a happy man.

Is there anything Windows 11 can do "better" than 10 today, August 2022? 

I thought Thread Director was one of those things until I did see benchmarks telling a different story. So I am really curious: Is there anything 11 can do "better" than 10? I mean were it is possible to ojectively point out that "feature X has a better implementation in 11 due to technological reasons A, B and C".

[Mr. Fox]

On 8/20/2022 at 6:59 AM, GeekBear80 said:

Is there anything Windows 11 can do "better" than 10 today, August 2022? 

I guess it depends on how you define do better. I think the obvious answer is "no" it can't. The exception would be which OS is better at misleading consumers that remain stupid enough to believe the fairytale that newer is always better. In that scenario, Windows 11 is a lot more effective.

 

Most computer users don't know what they don't know, and their ignorance allows them to live a pathetic life in a state of misguided bliss. That is sad because it requires little time and effort to identify the ways that Windows 11 sucks.

 

The enhancement of performance is one of the easiest myths to bust. It takes more that 6 seconds extra for Windows 11 to run the least taxing ThrottleStop benchmark than it does for Windows 10 LTSC 2019. Degradation of performance is sadly obvious and undeniable. In the examples below, the tests were run just a few minutes apart on a multi-boot system.

 

@Papusan

[jaybee83]

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I guess it depends on how you define do better. I think the obvious answer is "no" it can't. The exception would be which OS is better at misleading consumers that remain stupid enough to believe the fairytale that newer is always better. In that scenario, Windows 11 is a lot more effective.

 

Most computer users don't know what they don't know, and their ignorance allows them to live a pathetic life in a state of misguided bliss. That is sad because it requires little time and effort to identify the ways that Windows 11 sucks.

 

The enhancement of performance is one of the easiest myths to bust. It takes more that 6 seconds extra for Windows 11 to run the least taxing ThrottleStop benchmark than it does for Windows 10 LTSC 2019. Degradation of performance is sadly obvious and undeniable. In the examples below, the tests were run just a few minutes apart on a multi-boot system.

 

@Papusan

 

but but but....it looks so NICE! rounded corners! new wallpaper! and most importantly, its NEW and SHINY! 🤪

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

 

but but but....it looks so NICE! rounded corners! new wallpaper! and most importantly, its NEW and SHINY! 🤪

While I know that much is subjective and varies by personal taste, I find the Windows 11 default GUI overall to be the most aesthetically repulsive and inefficient to navigate version of Windows to date. The Windows 8.X Start Screen was more unacceptable, but it was the only aesthetic atrocity compared to a list of unpleasant eye sores featured in the latest abortion.

[Ishayin]

Yeah, I'm not a fan either. It's not merely that the GUI doesn't suit me in its default state, but even more so how inflexible it is. What's so complicated about the idea that different people are going to want to configure their desktop experience differently??

And I really don't get the new fad (also appearing in Linux) for rounded corner windows. How are you supposed to take a nice neat screenshot of them? Of fit them together into tidy tiling? (For sure, in the real world I really like curves, and detest unnecessary-for-function sharp edges. But the digital domain is an altogether different beast).

[jaybee83]

2 hours ago, Ishatix said:

Yeah, I'm not a fan either. It's not merely that the GUI doesn't suit me in its default state, but even more so how inflexible it is. What's so complicated about the idea that different people are going to want to configure their desktop experience differently??

And I really don't get the new fad (also appearing in Linux) for rounded corner windows. How are you supposed to take a nice neat screenshot of them? Of fit them together into tidy tiling? (For sure, in the real world I really like curves, and detest unnecessary-for-function sharp edges. But the digital domain is an altogether different beast).

screenshots with rounded corners FTW! 🤠🤪

[GeekBear80]

On 8/24/2022 at 8:00 AM, Mr. Fox said:

I guess it depends on how you define do better. I think the obvious answer is "no" it can't. The exception would be which OS is better at misleading consumers that remain stupid enough to believe the fairytale that newer is always better. In that scenario, Windows 11 is a lot more effective.

 

Most computer users don't know what they don't know, and their ignorance allows them to live a pathetic life in a state of misguided bliss. That is sad because it requires little time and effort to identify the ways that Windows 11 sucks.

 

The enhancement of performance is one of the easiest myths to bust. It takes more that 6 seconds extra for Windows 11 to run the least taxing ThrottleStop benchmark than it does for Windows 10 LTSC 2019. Degradation of performance is sadly obvious and undeniable. In the examples below, the tests were run just a few minutes apart on a multi-boot system.

 

@Papusan

I stopped believing in the "newer is better" fairytale when OS X Lion and Windows 8 came out, not to mention when Windows Phone 7 landed. Little Red-riding hood is a nicer tale anyway.;)

 

My true encounter with "avoiding a system due to its interface design" came when Apple released Yosemite, which is what caused me to switch to Windows once and for all. I just couldn't stand the look and feel of that system compared to Mac OS X (which I still really like, especially the rock solid 10.3.x and 10.6.x).

 

The last month I have been trying to think of anything that would make it worthwhile to use Windows 11 over 10 LTSC 2019/2021 and I am still at a complete loss. It would be the new Settings panel if I had a 2-in-1 device and that's essentially it but why bother when there's Control Panel, especially in LTSC 2019 (before more applets were removed in 2004).

It is always fascinating to see the "performance gains" myth debunked and I fully agree that LTSC 2019 is the fastest in general and I wouldn't want to revert back to the "regular" update cadence after I had my 20H2 installation trashed by an update (it did mess up my system to such an extent that I had to reinstall everything). 

I guess the best bet is to simply run Windows 10 LTSC until something "better" comes out and I mean in a proper, technological and GUI sense. Considering the update cycles (2029 for LTSC 2019, 2032 for LTSC 2021), there's no need to panic or do anything rushed when it's a matter of simply prioritize based on technical merit. 

Another benefit of using older operating systems and software is the ego boost from constantly defending those decisions: "I like to use Windows 7 as my daily driver!" "How can you, it spreads Ebola!?" "I hadn't been bleeding yet and the system runs perfectly fine..."

[GeekBear80]

On 8/24/2022 at 1:24 PM, jaybee83 said:

 

but but but....it looks so NICE! rounded corners! new wallpaper! and most importantly, its NEW and SHINY! 🤪

Windows Vista and 7 had rounded corners and even better: Aero Glass. New wallpapers? I prefer the teddy bear wallpaper/desktop pattern in System 7.5 anyway and new and shiny is a very strong argument, indeed. Nothing matters than being NEW AND SHINY! It's EVERYTHING!!

I will burn all my PCs and enjoy my battery explosions just so I can run out and buy a brand new Alder Lake Windows 11 system. Microsoft told me that my Surface Go isn't 11 complaint so I have to sacrifice it in a special ceremony on the top of a mountain, lighted candles all around, singing the Norwegian entry for the 1970 Eurovision Song Contest while I set the battery on fire before I will head to Best Buy, chain myself to the door on Black Friday to get a brand new Windows 11 PC. My life depends on running that system. I can't live without it. It's like oxygen.

Edit: Windows 11 is a wonder in comparison with Android 9, 10, 11, 12 and 13. I did experience 12 a couple of days ago and my blood pressure got high, very high.

[jaybee83]

2 minutes ago, GeekBear80 said:

Windows Vista and 7 had rounded corners and even better: Aero Glass. New wallpapers? I prefer the teddy bear wallpaper/desktop pattern in System 7.5 anyway and new and shiny is a very strong argument, indeed. Nothing matters than being NEW AND SHINY! It's EVERYTHING!!

I will burn all my PCs and enjoy my battery explosions just so I can run out and buy a brand new Alder Lake Windows 11 system. Microsoft told me that my Surface Go isn't 11 complaint so I have to sacrifice it in a special ceremony on the top of a mountain, lighted candles all around, singing the Norwegian entry for the 1970 Eurovision Song Contest while I set the battery on fire before I will head to Best Buy, chain myself to the door on Black Friday to get a brand new Windows 11 PC. My life depends on running that system. I can't live without it. It's like oxygen.

ah, a man of culture, finally someone who understands me 🤣

[ryan]

ok now i'd say my favorite OS is windows 95 then windows 7 as far as time and use goes. but I have windows 11 tweaked to be like windows 7. It looks and plays like windows 7. with windows 7 I would need to reinstall and redo everything every say 3 weeks-2 months. it would get a virus or run so very poorly. now with windows 11 iv'e had it for a year and im happy to say I have had to do 0 reinstalls of windows the inbuilt antivirus along with  AVG ultimate/malwarebytes and a vpn have allowed me to use and tweak my system to the max. I have everything I need/want and it runs smooth/fast/reliably I have 0 complaints. windows 11 is hate to say it good if not great but its an acquired taste

 

 

I would like to add I was a sceptic. I hated windows 11. I lost the hate and so should you unless cough you benchmark

[jaybee83]

8 hours ago, ryan said:

ok now i'd say my favorite OS is windows 95 then windows 7 as far as time and use goes. but I have windows 11 tweaked to be like windows 7. It looks and plays like windows 7. with windows 7 I would need to reinstall and redo everything every say 3 weeks-2 months. it would get a virus or run so very poorly. now with windows 11 iv'e had it for a year and im happy to say I have had to do 0 reinstalls of windows the inbuilt antivirus along with  AVG ultimate/malwarebytes and a vpn have allowed me to use and tweak my system to the max. I have everything I need/want and it runs smooth/fast/reliably I have 0 complaints. windows 11 is hate to say it good if not great but its an acquired taste

 

 

I would like to add I was a sceptic. I hated windows 11. I lost the hate and so should you unless cough you benchmark

well one thing is for sure, every new windows version needs a lot of work and customization to make it run proper. so with that in mind, with a bit of patience and elbow grease u can also make win11 an every-day driver.

[Aaron44126]

Windows 11 LTSC could be coming sooner than expected?  ...Or, maybe not.

https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-spotted-quietly-working-on-a-new-windows-11-ltsc-sku/

 

Also, not sure what the business of "IoT Enterprise LTSC Subscription" is.  Subscription, huh?

 

I notice that the screen shot shows widgets present, which is something that I would think Microsoft might exclude from a LTSC build.  However, the screen shot may well have been achieved by doing a regular Windows 11 (Insider) install and then forcing the SKU over to LTSC afterwards, which would have left the widgets and other packages that come with a normal base install intact...

 

[Edit]

Eh.  The build number is beyond what is expected for Windows 11, version 22H2 (build 22621 or 22622).  I am not thinking that a release is imminent.  The source just noticed a new edition SKU code in the Windows SDK.  The news here is not "new LTSC edition coming soon!!", but rather "new LTSC subscription SKU added", and we'll see that whenever the new LTSC version actually drops.

[jaybee83]

1 hour ago, Aaron44126 said:

Windows 11 LTSC could be coming sooner than expected?  ...Or, maybe not.

https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-spotted-quietly-working-on-a-new-windows-11-ltsc-sku/

 

Also, not sure what the business of "IoT Enterprise LTSC Subscription" is.  Subscription, huh?

 

I notice that the screen shot shows widgets present, which is something that I would think Microsoft might exclude from a LTSC build.  However, the screen shot may well have been achieved by doing a regular Windows 11 (Insider) install and then forcing the SKU over to LTSC afterwards, which would have left the widgets and other packages that come with a normal base install intact...

 

[Edit]

Eh.  The build number is beyond what is expected for Windows 11, version 22H2 (build 22621 or 22622).  I am not thinking that a release is imminent.  The source just noticed a new edition SKU code in the Windows SDK.  The news here is not "new LTSC edition coming soon!!", but rather "new LTSC subscription SKU added", and we'll see that whenever the new LTSC version actually drops.

oh gawd, MS please leave LTSC alone with all the shitty regular consumer OS crap...

[Aaron44126]

Windows 11, version 22H2 showing up on new Dell laptops.

https://www.neowin.net/news/windows-11-22h2-apparently-already-shipping-with-build-22621521-kb5017321/

 

Supposedly the release is set for September 20, but Microsoft hasn't given an official announcement.

[Papusan]

You just have to love Microsoft and their newest OS... 

 

"It's worth noting that VBS is automatically disabled in Windows 10, which is why 11 is the only effected OS."

 

Unfortunately, we do not know which specific Windows update initially caused all this mayhem. But when installed, the update automatically enables Microsoft's Virtualization-based Security (VBS) on Windows 11 systems. Microsoft calls this feature "Memory Integrity" in Windows 10 and 11's security app.

 

Windows 11 Update Kills Undervolting and Overvolting on MSI Boards

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

You just have to love Microsoft and their newest OS... 

 

"It's worth noting that VBS is automatically disabled in Windows 10, which is why 11 is the only effected OS."

 

Unfortunately, we do not know which specific Windows update initially caused all this mayhem. But when installed, the update automatically enables Microsoft's Virtualization-based Security (VBS) on Windows 11 systems. Microsoft calls this feature "Memory Integrity" in Windows 10 and 11's security app.

 

Windows 11 Update Kills Undervolting and Overvolting on MSI Boards

At least the motherboard OEM can fix Micro$lop's botched up messes with a BIOS update. Thankfully, it only affects access within Windows and you can still change voltage in the BIOS. 

How much do you want to bet that they will leave their laptops broken and only fix it on desktop motherboards? Then laptops owners are getting screwed again, as they always do. No BIOS menus to adjust and then locked out in Windows.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

At least the motherboard OEM can fix Micro$lop's botched up messes with a BIOS update. Thankfully, it only affects access within Windows and you can still change voltage in the BIOS. 

How much do you want to bet that they will leave their laptops broken and only fix it on desktop motherboards? Then laptops owners are getting screwed again, as they always do. No BIOS menus to adjust and then locked out in Windows.

What if we come to the point that Microsoft will remove all reg-keys in the OS as well force the MB manufacturers to follow their strict rules in same way as Intel forced the MB manufacturers to lock out BCLK overclock for older non K processors. Everything is possible if we talk about Redmond idiots. And this below looks nice... From the comment section. A new task is needed for each new update, LOOL

 

Yep, Newer has to be better, HaHa

[Reciever]

All roads are looking to diverge towards Linux

[Aaron44126]

22H2 is live.

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2022/09/20/available-today-the-windows-11-2022-update/

[Papusan]

43 minutes ago, Aaron44126 said:

22H2 is live.

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2022/09/20/available-today-the-windows-11-2022-update/

Yep, And the focus is still on the Store and ads. This new OS refresh brings almost nothing.

 

Microsoft launches Ads program in Microsoft Store as it passes 900 million users milestone

Microsoft has launched the Microsoft Store Ads pilot program to give developers another way to deliver and promote their apps and games to customers with Windows 10 and 11 at the right time.

[Aaron44126]

59 minutes ago, Aaron44126 said:

22H2 is live.

1 minute ago, Papusan said:

Yep, And the focus is still on the Store and ads. This new OS refresh brings almost nothing.

 

In typical fashion, it's not even "done".  (The MS article mentions features like tabs in File Explorer not launching until October.)

[Papusan]

LOOOL. Microsoft just can't stop screw up their latest and greatest. 

 

Windows 11 22H2 apparently causing problems on Nvidia graphics cards

neowin.com · Today

After successfully updating to the latest Windows 11 22H2 feature update, many users running Nvidia graphics cards are facing issues, like stutters, and unstable framerates. Nvidia is investigating....

 

 

On 9/20/2022 at 7:18 PM, Aaron44126 said:

22H2 is live.

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2022/09/20/available-today-the-windows-11-2022-update/

Yeah, and as you can see.... Microsoft forgot fix problems who has been reported from guinea pigs months ago. Why use GP if nothing will be done? Is adding new useless features more important than a release a working OS? 

[Mr. Fox]

54 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Is adding new useless features more important than a release a working OS? 

Apparently so. Seems they value change for the sake of change rather than change for the purpose of improvement. The perception that the presence of activity equates to progress is a serious character flaw, and their character has been in question for a very long time. To be fair, the same can be said of Mac OS, so they are in good company with respect to character defects and nefarious intentions. 

[Sniffy]

On 7/27/2022 at 3:32 AM, Ishayin said:

 

Wow, never heard of that 'Modern Standby' crap before. Is that on by default in Windows 10?? Scary to think of how much power is being wasted across the globe with that one.

At the same time, who leaves their laptop in standby for days at a time?? If I'm going to be away from it for more than an hour or so I'll just go with hibernate, and always shutdown overnight. The difference in start up vs. wake up time even with opening all programs again is barely a few seconds. And you still end up in all cases stuck waiting for the internet to reconnect which Windows has always been stupidly slow with.

 

Also, looks like it is possible to get OpenShell working ok with WIndows 11:
https://gitq.com/passionate-coder/Classic-Start/topics/19/open-shell-vs-windows-11
https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/windows-11-replace-start-menu
https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher

 

Microsoft documentation (quite in-depth) on modern standby. It's been around a while but it needs hardware (including BIOS) support. It replaces S3 Sleep with S0 low power idle. I only ran into this with my GT77 as it's the first hardware I've owned that ships with it. Basically what happens once you hit sleep is:

 

1. Screen off, W11 starts preparing for Sleep. This apparently includes maintenance tasks etc

2. Between 1 second to a few minutes later, laptop goes into low power idle. Fans stop, but CPU is sipping a watt or two (I measured). Occasionally the CPU wakes up (every few minutes) briefly to 'check for things to do'

3. A few hours later it enters hibernate. Apparently it can go back to S0 low power idle from here, but I haven't seen it do it after 1-2 days. I used the SleepStudy tool in W11 to verify it is staying in hibernate

 

My laptop is always connected to AC so I don't really care, but if you were on battery this could be annoying. There is no way to disable this without completely reinstalling W11 with S3 Sleep enabled. Some laptops will no longer support S3 Sleep on a hardware level.

 

Hopefully this helps some people, I was confused when I first slept the machine and it didn't actually sleep right away.