jaybee83

glad im not the only one thinking that that strix 4090 looks ugly af! also, have u seen the price tag compared with other 4090 models? what is Asus thinking?!?! im going the classical approach for Arc: hope for the best but expecting the worst. i fear this might be a "one hit wonder", so to say, with basically only one low powered sku for laptops when Battlemage comes... congratz on your first sell to China! 😄 and i know EXACTLY what u mean, those idiot lowballers on fleabay are sometimes completely bonkers with their expectations... btw guys, I just got in my X670E Asus motherboard, holy guacamole! 6.1 kg / 13.5 pound package!!!! WTH 😂 but damn is this a sweet looking thing....so many accessories, cables, add in cards, etc, not even sure yet what to do with all of it hahaha. but guys, this thing is built like a TANK! the rest of the components should all be arriving beginning of next week, which means: BUILD TIME! woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

its funny, in the latest GN upload they had an interview with an Nvidia Thermal Engineer and he also mentioned Honeywell phase change TIM!

thanks man, appreciate your input! i know exactly how u feel, i actually told my wife that i had a bad conscience right before i started ordering parts. this because were talking about SO MUCH FRIGGIN MONEY! especially considering were looking for a new appartment, need tons of stuff for the baby, new furniture of all sorts, etc... she told me i deserved it after having saved up so much with such dedication over 3 years, so i should just go for it and enjoy! yep, id say thats a keeper... 😁 MOTHERBOARD SHIPPED! itll be here on saturday woooooooo

omg im worried ull very likely be right.... might as well run well below base clock and still be inside "Dellienware spec" since it runs at 95C, riiiiiiite? geez 😅

fax! luckily the asus X670E is reportedly build like a friggin tank, so dont have to worry about it falling apart when putting in the 4090 chonker 😅 boy am i glad i went for the Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2, which is a behemoth all by itself. no worries about any size of GPU size in the future 🙂 and youve got my attention with that linked article... in the meantime ive read that Nvidia and board partners initially planned for a 600+W TDP before downswitching to 450W shortly before launch. however, this was too late for board partners to change anything about their coolers, thats why we ended up with such monsters. curious to see: will later AIB cards have smaller coolers that are adjusted to 450W only? in any case, this is good news for us, means supercool cards that can be oced to kingdom come! 3 GHz on air or water would be sweeeeeeeeet! aint this a grand time to build a new system and not have to worry about switching out stuff? 😛 😄

yep its a chicken and egg problem: u need customers buying the card to have the motivation to do proper driver support, push the arch and set a baseline for long term nextgen developments. but in order to get customers, ull need to do proper driver support, push the arch....u get the idea 😛

oof... Intel didnt make it easy to make a decision on this one. on one hand, im on Linus' side, i.e. purchase 100% as long as ure comfortable to do troubleshooting in order to support a third competitor in the gpu market. on the other hand, its beta hardware and software at best, price to performance it not really that good (especially compared with AMD cards) and lastly, mid to longterm support is sketchy at best, with Intel basically just trying to minimize damage and have "proof" for their investors that a gpu launch actually took place. however, Battlemage will likely be just 1-2 low power skus, with Celestial unsure if theyll even do that at all for consumer. long story short, its not yet clear if intel is even here to stay or not as a gpu vendor...

no significant differences between 3.0 and 3.1. just make sure that the dimensions and SMD layout fit your machine and heatsink. non-standard formats can come in both 3.0 and 3.1 flavours.

that. is. hilarious! i love that selfmade "IHS" on top of the bare die mobile cpu which in turn is socketed on an LGA1151 adapter, genius! i love this kinda stuff 😄 and just goes to show what kind of added value a socketed cpu brings in a laptop

im assuming this does not go for posts detailing cooperative efforts directly with the unicorn master, i.e. when trying to break the NH55JNNQ machine out of its performance shackles 😉

yeah man, take it easy, let us other folks have a jab at brand spanking new hardware first, then u can smash us down later again 😄 im imagining a 90yr old Fox with a long white beard still benching along 😁 looking around the forum and other places its fascinating to see how many enthusiasts are sitting out this gen. just goes to show that its an advantage to go anti-cyclic with purchasing hardware. now that the market is SO over saturated and everyone and their dog bought new hardware or system during the pandemic, theres more hope for my kind to be actually able and get new hardware at MSRP on launch day 😄 so far its been going pretty nicely, got both a 7950X and an Asus ROG Crossfire X670E Extreme at or below MSRP on launch day. today ill be sniping a pixel 7 pro, currently eyeing the Made by Google live stream and checking google store for when purchases go live 😛 u gotta be kidding, do brother @Prema and I actually share bdays? thats hilarious 😄🤘

true, for that one im not sure yet. main thing for me is to have hardware on hand to be able and enjoy my limited gamer days. whenever the X3D chips come out and actually prove their worthiness in third party reviews, i might reconsider and go a step up. that is, however, only if they offer a 7950X3D. if they only go up to 7800X3D or 7900X3D ill stick to my 16 core beast instead 🙂

im surprised they didnt kick you out of the average joe club already 😄

keeping a lookout on any new info 🙂 as will all of us here, surely! 😁

chip off the old block 😄

this whole "keeping binned chips for themselves" has so far only been rumours, any hard facts / sources to actually back that up? definitely not enough for me to splurge on an FE card 😅 same with the wattage, so far only rumours that cards "might" go above 450W. ive heard that basically all cards are actually designed for 600+W but that last minute Nvidia puiled the decision and reduced TDP to 450W. still, we dont know yet what the actually reachable TDP max will be for FE and AIB cards. as for custom / high wattage vbios versions, they tend to leak out sooner or later, so not really worried about accessibility 😄

OP updated with details on the mouse and also an additional section for planned system upgrades in the near future (minor upgrades that is, i.e. cooling, storage, lighting, etc.). Btw, Asus mainboard reserved for my order and confirmed in stock, hoping for a shipping conirmation by tomorrow! As for CPU AiO, Keyboard and Case, they should all be in stock and hopefully shipping by end of this week 🙂

i doubt average joe would care about 24 Mhz in exchange for the added noise 😄

not surprising tbh, the trends ive been seeing especially for DDR5 are craaaaazy. I couldve saved 70€ just by waiting for 2 weeks when ordering my 6600 kit from G.Skill haha

yes the FE look sleek and its best in class in terms of pricing....but warranty is just at minimum level (2 years) plus Nvidia is known for locking down its FE cards HARD in terms of vBios flashing. two factors I cannot ignore and why I very likely be going with Zotac and their 5 yr warranty. Thanks for linking the official prices btw! Gives me a better idea of what kinda price to expect in Europe, should be around 2050-2100€ and that means that Caseking is already overpricing their listed Zotac 4090 cards by a lot (i.e. Airo going for 2279€). And yeah, Asus has completely lost their minds this time around....so far I havent seen ANYTHING justifying such insane prices for their skus, especially the Strix OC model. Anyone care to enlighten me here? LOL im literally just watching Roman's vid right now and thought to myself: holy crap, that card looks HUGE in his "tiny" hands! 😂

ok cool then, so no buyer's remorse from my side! (unlikely anyways haha)

sounds like u made the right decision 🙂

welp....ure comparing running Noctua fans balls to the wall vs. an AiO. no matter what cpu u compare at such baselines, ull likely get very similar results in terms of clocks gained or temps lowered. Id wager aside from the likes of brother @Mr. Fox the regular user would not use his cooling fans full tilt all the time. That said, if you look at the whole cooling range, clock difference DO indeed become very significant, but all of them at the same target temp, namely 95C. As mentioned before, compare this with how a gpu behaves at stock. Strap an AiO on a 3090 Ti and it'll only clock max. 100 Mhz higher, if at all compared to a good air cooler. No difference here, CPUs, especially AMD ones, are becoming more and more like GPUs in their boosting behaviour. And just like GPUs have a temp target, so do CPUs now. I have to disagree here. A threshold at which performance degrades would be more like how Intel CPUs behave. They have a set max. multicore boost, i.e. 5.2 Ghz all core, which holds steady until TjMax / thermal throttling point is reached, upon which they start to downclock. Zen 4 does not behave like that, it rather "looks" at the given thermal headroom / cooling implemented and boosts as high as it can go until reaching 95C, at which point it plateaus. Thus, the temperature is now less meaningful than the actually reached clocks. A good indicator for this difference in behaviour is the fact that ALL four Zen 4 CPUs show this behaviour and shoot up to exactly 95C no matter what kind of cooling is applied. If it was just a fact of the cpus "running hot", then surely a 6 core 7600X would show way lower peak temps and a 7950X, no? But instead, they all target the same set 95C and just differ in the respective clocks. Granted, as GN recently detailed in a video, there actually IS also a power cap in addition to the target temp, so throwing LN2 on the chip does not mean itll still boost all the way up to 95C, that would entail reaching 1000W+ lulz 😄 Point here being, that the power cap is way way higher than ambient cooling could conceivable provide thermal headroom for to keep below 95C. Thanks for bringing up this point, as I already mentioned above in reply to brother Fox! One thing to consider here is also that this 95C temp target is only for heavy all core loads. Gaming and regular desktop usage will not push the cpus far enough for them to be pegged at 95C 24/7. So as opposed to Intel chips, where crappy vendors such as Dell or Apple just let them hit TJMax at 100C and throttle to kingdom come, this 95C set point did not come from a vendor or from insufficient cooling, but rather directly from AMD to instruct Zen 4 cpus to boost as long as 95C is not reached and the much higher wattage cap is not breached either. Exactly! I think its pretty safe to assume that not thermal throttling or melt-downs will happen if AMD specifically set this target temp for clock boosting at 95C. Again, to clarify here, since a LOT of people are so used to Intel cpu boosting behaviour and seem to draw the wrong conslusions: - the 95C temp target is not comparable to the Intel cpu TjMax. the former is a set point, until which clocks are boosted, the latter is a threshhold, upon reaching starts to decrease clocks due to thermal throttling. the end results are vastly different from each other. - Since all Zen 4 cpus have that thermal set point at 95C, its not just about "HAHA AMD cpu runs hot and goes brrrrrr" it just rather means than in order to judge a cooling implementation, clocks are now more important than temps. - the 95C set point is not set in stone. If you dont like it, just change it in bios! "problem" solved 😄

and now lets include the most important factor here: frequency and thus performance 😉 95C is just the target to which the cpu will boost to. improve the cooling, temp target stays the same buuuut... clocks go higher! thats the whole idea bud 😄 at this point 95C is just a number, doesnt really tell u anything. gotta look at the resulting frequency. its not comparable to intel cpus where hitting TJMax would result in thermal throttling. the clocks just "stop climbing", they dont regress.

kool. although a bit late to the market, still curious to see what the upcoming 990 pro has to offer. i have a feeling thats gonna be the pcie 4.0 drive they "should have" introduced right from the get go, i.e. correcting their "meh" 980 Pro lineup.