Mr. Fox

2 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Well, that does not necessarily mean other 5080/5090 bios cannot work on the FE though, I do not think anyone has tried to flash theirs. Flashing the 5080FE would be beneficial though. You can pick-up 90 more wattsies.

That will be helpful for the fragile petite power cables as well. Those slim cables are just so darned cute... especially the RGB type. If you choose red you won't even notice when the fire starts.

6 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Well, this answers the question 😞

 

Strike 2....

 

I'm gladder than ever that I didn't allow my hobby to drive a reward of overpriced bad behavior. The Green Goblin is long overdue for getting a red-hot ice pick to the gonads.

30 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Intel can't even make silicon wafers for own products. And people can't afford anything it if prices go up 2-3 or even 4 times todays prices. And people start cry already if inflation is above 4%. This doesn't look good, Neither for US or rest of the world. 

It will be fine. No pain, no gain. The world needs to be reminded that delayed gratification is a good thing. Long term results are more important than fulfillment of short-sighted passions and addictions to things that don't really matter in the grand scheme of things. The crappy stuff that China sells to us doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. They are expendable and unnecessary commodities that can be produced elsewhere without the sweat of slave laborers and lab rats that bow before the throne of a godless devil. It's time for the tail to stop wagging the dog. Be happy for the world, but especially for the people of China as they prepare to chop off the head of the snake and bring destruction from the inside. China and the Xi Jinping dynast should be memorialized in history for their grandest contribution to the world (COVID-19) and you know what they say about payback.

16 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

 

Maybe for a while, but it is a short-sighted concern that loses sight of the end game. But, it looks like it is working according to plan. Hopefully this will cause China to implode and collapse into a century of poverty, pain and obsurity on the heels of a massive civil war and the end of an evil empire. It might hurt a little bit for us, but in the end the world will profit with the destruction of the Red Devil. It's natural to worry about what it means for us in the short term, but it is important to care more about what it means long term, for us and the rest of the world, our children, grandkids and great grandkids and the optimism that will come to a world in which China no longer matters to anyone. They're going to hurt a lot more than any of us will. And, that's how it should be and according to plan. No work, no money, no food... won't take much longer, especially with so many starving and newly unemployed slave worker mouths to feed. 

Sad to see so much performance gimping happening on a GPU where the manufacturers did not gimp on the price. Hardly seems right. Because it isn't. It's realy messed up, just like the unrealistically unethical and totally absurd overpricing. In light of the predatory pricing they should all be capable of a running double stock core and VRAM clocks.

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Hmmm, that is a possibility too. I am just going to give it its own cozy, comfy fresh install drivers only to start and go from there.

 

Office is looking clean and organized!

How much is real versus imaginery is open to speculation or further evidence as proof, but I've heard more than one person say that when installing an X3D CPU the only guarantee of full performance is to do a clean install of Winduhz. Maybe that only applies to changed from a non-X3D to an X3D CPU or dual CCD on the same platform. 

Thanks. That's definitely a goal. I am so tired of having the congested work space with no wiggle room.

44 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Thanks @Mr. Fox! Yeah, something is off.

 

My 9070xt:

 

 

Maximum is in range, but Avg and Min is off.

 

Compared to my 5080 FE same rig:

 

 

Your numbers seem to be more inline with what I would expect to see fro a 9070xt.

 

5090 doesn't count. It is over here taking the wind out of everything......

 

The 9070xt was slapped in on a pre-existing install that has seen 3-4 graphics cards swapped in and out. I'm going to give it its own clean install and see how that does for re-testing.

I am using the same driver as you, too. Maybe it is something with the 9800X3D that doesn't like that game?

The B850 AORUS Elite got a 9600X CPU and the Srix 1080 installed with a DDR5-6000 kit that I tightened up the timings enough that it is almost as swift as my DDR5-8000 tuned in both 9950X systems. (90GB/s read and 56.0ns latency.) My grand daughters are elated and binging on Fortnite at 1440p. (I also gave them one of my Predator 1440p 165Hz IPS monitors.)

Anyhoo... I still have a few things to find a place for in my tiny little hot office. But, it is tidied up enough for me to function when I return to work tomorrow. (Today was a day of PTO.)

While I don't consider myself "old" yet, I can tell that I am not young anymore. I basically spent three days redoing things. Got rid of one of my sit/stand desks and one of the storage cabinets to make it not feel so cramped. I could have done this in one day 5 or 10 years ago without feeling tired or sore from moving furniture around and lifting heavy objects.

I moved the ASUS 4K 144Hz display to the wall mount and have the two Predator 4K 160Hz screens on the desk. So, eliminating one desk, one desktop computer and two monitors in this 12x12 space makes me feel a lot less claustrophobic. 🤣

Next project is to build the internal loop inside of the O11D XL EVO with valves to switch between internal loop and chiller. I have sold the XT45 1080 Nova radiator setup pending my finishing that project.

This camera phone isn't great. I think the glass cover over the lens is getting dirty or fogged up on the inside.

Lights off...

Lights on...

On 4/17/2025 at 11:38 PM, electrosoft said:

@Mr. Fox could you run this on your 9070xt  completely stock to let me know if my results are suspect and maybe needs investigating along with your 4090 completely stock for comparison. I can't find my 4090/3090 Dx:MD results. If your results are much higher, I will need to set up another test volume for the 9070xt. I know the 9070xt on WoW is right where I expected it to be compared to the results on three different 7900xtx cards across three different CPUs and two different platforms and the 9070xt is actually scoring slightly higher than many stock 9070xt's in Timespy but again you never know.

 

Gigabyte Gaming OC 9070XT (Adrenalin 25.3.2):

 

I finally got around to running this. Stock GPU, 4K and Ultra Preset:

That would be totally unacceptable. I would return it for a refund or an exchange. Accepting a bad hand in the silicon lottery is just not tolerable with a GPU that costs $3,000+ and the "sorry, no guarantees as long as it runs stock" is pure bull crap. That wouldn't fly with me for even a hot second.

The A$$zeus fanboys are gonna love this post... 😆

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29457390/

I wish them all good luck with the grossly overpriced and poorly designed Apex with defective PCIe bifurcation.

On 4/17/2025 at 11:38 PM, electrosoft said:

Deus Ex Mankind divided bone stock GPU benchmark runs.

Seriously, the 9070xt? SMH

 

9800X3D @ 5450

2x24GB tuned 2200/6400

W11 24H2 normal bloated D2D OS no tweaks

Gigabyte Gaming OC 9070xt

Nvidia 5080 FE

Asus Astral 5090

Nvidia Drivers 576.02

AMD Adrenalin 25.3.2

 

4k everything on ultra/max settings.

 

5090 is ~58% faster than the 5080 FE in this test which is pretty massive overall.

 

9070xt is performing absolutely abysmal in this test to the point I don't know if it is a driver issue or not.

 

@Mr. Fox could you run this on your 9070xt  completely stock to let me know if my results are suspect and maybe needs investigating along with your 4090 completely stock for comparison. I can't find my 4090/3090 Dx:MD results. If your results are much higher, I will need to set up another test volume for the 9070xt. I know the 9070xt on WoW is right where I expected it to be compared to the results on three different 7900xtx cards across three different CPUs and two different platforms and the 9070xt is actually scoring slightly higher than many stock 9070xt's in Timespy but again you never know.

 

Gigabyte Gaming OC 9070XT (Adrenalin 25.3.2):

 

 

Nvidia 5080 FE (576.02):

 

 

Astral 5090 (576.02):

 

Yes, but it may be a couple of days. I'm buried in projects and my office is totally torn up and I'm not able to use either system at the moment.

Sold the MORA and dual XSPC Photon 240 D5 pumps to Brother @johnksss. Getting it boxed up was difficult. The weight was 35 pounds and I used the box the Montech AIR MAX came it.

Something for FE-lovers. https://www.overclock.net/threads/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-founders-edition-24gb-gddr6x-graphics-card.1815879/

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

What's more insulting? The prices or they are 5080s? 🤔

Price. I would buy a 5080 if it were a good value like the 9070 XT. It doesn't need to be the best if it is good and the price is in scope with the performance. It should be priced between $750 to $1000 for non-FE cards. They're about twice what I would be willing to spend on one.

2 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

5070FE/ 5080FE/ 5090FE or a $1,500 dollar 4090 are the real value cards right now. 

 

$500 (It games) 

$1,000 (It games really well) 

$1,500 (one notch below beast mode)
$2,000 (Beast mode) 

 

This whole 5060/5060Ti mess is a nightmare.  Just like the AIB 5070Ti cards, and AIB 5080/5090 cards. Ridiculous pricing. 

I received product availability emails today from MSI for severely overpriced 5080 GPUs. No thanks. 

Finally received the radiators and fans for the O11D XL EVO. Still waiting for the tubing and should have it tomorrow. 

Besides high GPU prices I am finding it harder to get some things fast from Amazon and NewEgg because nothing is in stock and I have to piece together parts from various sources. The large 13/19mm tubing I prefer to use is harder to source than it used to be. I guess the kiddos like the skinnier tubing because it looks nice. EPDM was even considered as an option, but the 13/19 size was sold out everywhere with no ETA on new stocck.

9 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Some prefer better custom design over performance. Or maybe they think more vram will provide  more performance? Is more always more?🤔

 

Some RTX 5060 Tis sell for more than RTX 5070s!

 

As for the RTX 5060 Ti, the cards were launched yesterday afternoon. However, as is often the case, things are going in all directions on the premium card side . Indeed, some references sell for more than the  higher-class GPU . Yes, you read that right, RTX 5060 Tis sell for more than some RTX 5070s!

Stupidity is always with us, and in surplus quantities.

Maybe we can sell them a link to download more VRAM.

5 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

I just went, "that is crazy" when I read it earlier over on the forums. I have zero problems with people reselling their items and getting top dollar for them (call it scalping if you want), but buying specifically for reselling especially among the hardware community? For someone who is a firm proponent of "let the market ride as is," that just sits wrong with me a bit.

Exactly... very similar thoughts here... https://www.overclock.net/posts/29456680/

Just now, Mr. Fox said:

Well, technically it is none of our business what people do with things we sell them after the sale. But still, it's definitely part of the intent buying and selling here that you are helping a fellow enthusiast acquire things they want that are either hard to find or absurdly overpriced out in the wild. I'd be lying if I did not admit that part of it is you don't have silly eBay fees and predatory and nefarious double-taxation of products that taxes were already paid when purchased new, but it is absolutely true that when I sell items here it is with the hope that it will be a blessing to someone that would otherwise not be able to buy it due to availability or financially adverse reasons.

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

LOL great timing with me planning to put up my 4090 tomorrow 😄 

Don't sell it on eButt. Sell it at overclock.net and pay nothing in fees to them and without risk of getting scammed.

Fun fact. The 4090 that I sold has already been re-sold for $500 more. I sold it for $1500 (what I paid for it new) and Mr. Nguyen from overclock.net sold it immediately (same day he got it) for $2000. Check it out. If I ever see him complaining about scalpers, I am going to call him out as one, LOL. That's pretty scummy, IMHO. I wonder if the person that bought it knows how that played out.

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29456490/

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

 

yep saw that drop during benching yesterday, changelog included a  frigging TON of bugfixes specifically for 50 series. will update asap 🙂

 

some more 5090 Suprim insights:

- highest core temp ive seen thus far was 68C in Alan Wake 2 pathtracing maxed out in 4K without DLSS/FG. card still super quite, insane

- vRAM OC at +3000 for 34Gbps confirmed stable via GPU Memtest for 1hour. max VRam temp. 64C during stress test.

- currently checking for core OC, happy to report that EVGA PX1 does not have any troubles applying +100 on the voltage slider. with AB lots of reports that the card would drop to base clocks and show funky behaviour. havent seen this with PX1, so all good.

- +300 core oc looks stable thus far, but not quite done with stability testing yet, about halfway through. initial quick n dirty core oc only locked up the card once i reached +500 😄 should be interesting haha

- need to do some more extensive voltage monitoring to determine typical range for my particular sample. initial impressions in alan wake 2 yesterday showed anywhere between 1.00 and 1.25V (voltage slide maxed, power pegged at 600W+). but ofc that depends on the application tested.

 

will keep u guys posted 🙂 

I have always preferred PX1. Much better for GPU overclocking than Afterburner. Also give ASUS GPU Tweak III a try. The GUI is goofy (A$$zeus is frequently tacky with their aesthetics) but it usually works well for me when Afterburner missed the mark. There is an option in settings to enhance overclock limits.

35 minutes ago, ssj92 said:

Do you have a pic or link to the shunt mod? I'd love 450w per gpu. 

 

Right now SLI is not working because the motherboard doesn't have SLI certificate. I tried doing dsdt editing to inject some but didn't work yet. I do have one other method left to try which may work so hoping to get SLI up and running soon. 

 

The 20 series are last to support true SLI unlike 30 series so they should work in all games that support SLI

That is such a scam and a racket needing an SLI certificate. Really goes to show what a scummy, money-grubbing bunch of control freaks the Green Goblin is.

10 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

on this note @Mr. Fox since im sure u have a very comprehensive list of benchmark tools: can you recommend and standalone gpu benchmarks outside of the usual suspects? preferably with a basis in an actual game, that would be grand 🙂 

I do not like some of these games (noted with *) and either do not own them because they have a standalone benchmark or I bought them only for their built-in benchmark. Some of these are old, but are good for testing raster performance. In no particular order, and by no means is it an all-inclusive list... just what popped into my head.

EZ Bench

GameTechBench

Crysis/Crysis Remastered

Wolfenstein Youngblood

Gears of War (all of them)

Far Cry New Dawn

Horizon Zero Dawn

Bright Memory Infinite

Resident Evil 5/6

Shadow of the Tomb Raider

Rise of the Tomb Raider

Monster Hunter Wilds*

Black Myth Wukong*

Final Fantasy (all)*

Cyberpunk 2077

Metro (all of them)

Sniper Elite (all of them)

Hitman Absolution

Just Cause (all of them)

Dune Awakening

Alien: Isolation

Borderlands 2/3

Call of Juarez

Deus Ex: Mankind Divided

Sleeping Dogs*

Still waiting for radiators to finish the job on the O11D XL. For now using the XT45 1080 Nova.

But, it's alive and well.

22 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Already at $600 USD you have crossed the line for proper pricing for a high end boards. Everything above this is the greed tax. Remember you can still buy lower end boards below $200. $600 should be max. And even that is an awful price to pay for play.

 

I'm sure Asus charge +$100 for the so called innovative 3D Vapor Chamber heatsink for M.2 SSDs

I agree 100%. That's why I made that choice. Some features are valuable, but there is no reason for a $800, $1000 or more expensive motherboard to exist if it doesn't offer something valuable and useful beyond what is already present on a motherboard that costs approximately half as much. Arguably, the sub-$500 AORUS Master offers more because it isn't all screwed up in terms of basic functionality like those with the ROG fanboy tariff attached to it. You can actually use the slots without castrating the GPU. That should be normal, not abnormal, LOL. This is just one of many examples that demonstrate how the people making product design decisions and product pricing are totally out of their minds, if not just plain stupid. Being broken by design and grossly overpriced is too easily forgiven by fanbois.

7 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Look at this... Only $1400. This is on level with Nvidia's perversity. Disgusting.

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-officially-announces-rog-crosshair-x870e-extreme-motherboard-costs-1400-in-china

Totally absurd. And, I would bet that it won't overclock the CPU or RAM any better than a B850 board or a cheap X870 does. So, what is a person paying for? Something filled with worthless gimmicks that simply takes up extra space because it is larger than necessary? It makes no sense whatsoever in terms of performance or function. Just a place to foolishly spend money for nothing meaningful in return. Unless one finds value in demonstrating their lack of financial inteliigence to everyone that knows how much they spent on it. "Wheee, look at me! I love to spend lots of money on parts that work the same as the cheaps ones. I'm so special. Mama even said so."

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I've eased up a lot on the whole extreme overclocking. 

The newest CPUs and GPUs don't really contribute as much to that passion as they used to. In some ways we are going backwards. Stock performance is better than ever and overclocking about as lackluster as I have ever seen. There's no joy in that for overclocking enthusiasts and not much of a reason to purchase products that are made that way.

1 minute ago, jaybee83 said:

5090 installed and purring smooooooooooothly 🙂

 

first up: all ROPs present and PCIe 5.0 x16 working as intended, PHEW! dont worry about the clocks, fiddling around with powersaving profile for simple desktop usage.

 

 

next up: Id never thought Id see the day where my Suprim 4090 seems SMALL, THING AND LIGHT 😄 check out these CHONKERS! 5090 always on top

 

 

I really wish they wouldve sticked with the three slot backplate... why would anyone do a dual backplate on a 4+ slot brock of a gpu?!?! 🥸

 

anyways, time for some stock benches to get a baseline vs. my oced 4090!

Beautiful GPU. Looks like a Suprim is supposed to look. Congrats, Brother @jaybee83