2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

As suspected for quite some time in the OCN forums and elsewhere and as Jufus had said for quite some time (Over a year ago he said boost Vcore in non all core was insane). All his kits he sold were locked down to all core for stability and fixed Vcore tuning which is....shockingly....what many of us have done over the years to reign in Intel's insane limits along with MB makers pushing as hard as possible so their MB would look better than their competitors.....

 

 

Agree 100%. It is interesting that I (and others like me) have been looked upon unfavorably, even criticized sometimes by noobs that think they know everything, for selecting manual voltage and sync all cores as my overclocking SOP for years. I've done nothing different with LGA-1700 and have none of the problems the "gamers" are having now. In their infinite wisdom of doing massive undervolting with wild voltage swings and using algorithm-based (TVB) boosting they have created problems where none would have otherwise existed. Maybe I don't get 6.0 or 6.2GHz on two cores that bolsters e-peen, but I do get solid benchmark scores and a consistent experience. Maybe their observation is somewhat true that manual overclocking is dead now is, but so are their CPUs. PBO sucked for AMD and TVB sucks for Intel. Dumb is always dumb.

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2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Yup. Old school tuning is still king. Modern ways is trash. Single core boost to become the clock speed king in single core benchmarks with all too high voltage is stupid. So stupid has to be the normal.

Funny how much we think alike. Although worded differently, our thoughts posted essentially simultaneously, our expressions are the same underlying message.

Nice to run a good version of Windows for a change.
 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5603298_

https://hwbot.org/submission/5603299_

This... 

Such a lovely OS with so many "special" AI features.  Right @Papusan?

I have been dual-booting for many years.

12 hours ago, Rage Set said:

Is this the prelude to the all P-core processors that are rumored? @Mr. Fox @Talon

 

https://wccftech.com/intel-14th-gen-desktop-cpus-no-e-cores-core-i9-14901ke-flagship-8-p-cores-5-8-ghz/

 

I am actually curious about the 14901KE for homelab server use - https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/238781.html

I am not sure. 8 cores is a low core count. About half what I would like to see, along with hyperthreading. Need at least 32 threads to be completely satisfied. But one thing I am sure about is eliminating the smartphone E-cores is a good thing. I have never liked the idea. They do add a lot of performance, but not as much as they would if the space they wasted was replaced by more P-cores. I am glad to see them pulling their heads out. Now they need to go find the dumb-dumb(s) that suggested it, their boss that allowed them to, and the biggest dumb-dumb of the bunch that approved it. They need to round them up and beat them nearly to death right before they are fired. They're not worthy of holding their positions at Intel, or anywhere else that allows them to work on computer technology.

I hope they perma-scrap the e-core idea along with any notions about the retarded chiplet idea and go back to producing large die head-stomping monolithic masterpieces.

In other news... "In 218 out of 250 games tested, Arc A770 passes with flying colors. This means a flawless launch with no graphical artifacts and playable framerates."

Interesting that 11 of 12 games that failed to work well ran flawlessly after disabling the AMD iGPU in Device Manager. Those games were attempting to use the anemic APU instead of discrete GPU. Only 4 out of 250 crashed hard and refused to work. I am very much looking forward to Battlemage dropping.

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

I would be disappointed if all I got was 40K. But with all different new settings from MB vendors to stop Crashes maybe thats right. My tests is done without new screw ups and with XMP disabled. See also the results from Techpowerup in my old post.

Most people, sadly including gamerboys, are too forgiving and tolerant of the OS filth. It will easily cost them 1500 to 2000 Cinebench R23 points. But they are willing to sacrifice that in exchange for a few extra UWP turds floating in their breakfast cereal. I tried to tell them it was not chocolate milk, but they did not believe me. 

Anyhoo... I think I am going to dub this one Methuselah. 

Man, GPUs have come such a long way since the first Titan. Even the crappy ones are stronger. But, it's a nice trip down memory lane. Scores are similar to my Prema-fied 980M benchmarks.

https://hwbot.org/submission/5602424_

https://hwbot.org/submission/5602422_

38 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

You know, they have some odd ball enterprise chips in that socket, but I believe they are X99. I’m not sure if they are all V3’s for X99 or V2’s for X79. They made a 14 core unlocked for X99. They have the 1680’s 1681’s 1683’s and 1686’s too. There may be a 1691 I cannot remember off the top of my head. I do know of a 12/24 core and a 14/28 core Xeon unlocked that was enterprise only and it was just a monster in its hay day 2014 era. 
 

But that 1680 was always a great chip! It’s just a 5960X for the most part, but they used less power and ran cooler. 
 

Now you got me wanting one! 
 

PS: I had a 1660 V3 years ago. It was a nice chip. This was in 2015 I think. Back then the 1680’s were still like $1,400- $2,000 USD LOL. I have always loved these unlocked xeon chips though. Very few people ran them back in the day.
 

Seems like a nice CPU. Definitely worth $45 paid for it. Double core/thread count over the 4820K and runs stable with exactly the same BIOS settings, LOL. Will tune it later.

"New CPU Installed. Press F1 to enter setup."

Pressed F1, then F10, and *BOOM* just runs.

https://hwbot.org/submission/5602395_

18 hours ago, Papusan said:

My older son checked out Dell Alienware Sales page on Dell today. There is no more mem options than 5200 and below.

When I was still doing beta product testing for Dell/Alienware they made it very clear that they are dead set against memory overclocking and all-core overclocking for some stupid reason. They wanted memory left on SPD default and only single-core overclocking. This was back in 2010-2012. Well, we know how I feel about that kind of lame suckiness. Wasn't long after that I was no longer part of their program. No loss, really. Just look at what a joke Alienware is today. The kings of trash. You're better off buying some crappy "gaming desktop" on Temu or AliExpress. At least it won't be built with proprietary trash components.

19 hours ago, tps3443 said:

That is so cool especially the GPU and motherboard! I had a i7 3820 X79 platform. That was in like 2013 though. It was a really good overclocker. Unlike yours, mine had a semi locked multiplier. You could set 4.3Ghz, and use a little BCLK to get to 4.9-5Ghz for benching. I vote another GTX Titan as well!
 

Retro builds are so cool. What’s funny is, this new system you have here is so much faster than most of my agents computers they buy from Walmart today for like $300-$400 dollars 🤣

I'm a sick puppy. Four desktops now. Disgusting but also a gratifying mental illness.

The E5-1680 V2 is out for delivery. Should be about double the peformance of the 4820K. (Double the cores and threads and unlocked. multipliers.)

I have forgotten how to overclock these antique setups. Things have changed so much in some ways, not in others. I had forgotten that 1.575V Vcore and 1.650V memory voltage was not a big deal back then.

It's also interesting how this EK 360 AIO can keep the 4820K so cool with 1.575V compared to a modern CPU with much lower voltage.

3 hours ago, Talon said:

 

NICE!!!! You're gonna need another Titan. 

I got the BIOS mod with NVMe support for X79, which is not supported natively. (NVMe did not exist when X79 was released.)

Here are the old parts. I got everything working on the test bench after work.

Traded a kit of 32GB Crucial Pro DDR4 (new sealed package) and an EVGA Z15 clicky keyboard (lightly used) for these items.

• 4820K
• Rampage IV Gene
• 32GB (4*8GB) Kingston HyperX Beast DDR3-2400
• EVGA GTXX Titan GPU

The Xeon E5-1680 V2 that I bought on eBay for $45 will be here on Monday. I am using the EK Nucleus Dark AIO on it. Using a spare PSU (Corsair RM1000e). Everything is working well. The GPU still had the clear plastic on it.

On 7/15/2024 at 5:32 PM, Talon said:

 

Agreed. After seeing this news I actually decided to pull the trigger on an open box Apex Encore at my local MC for $400. Says complete, I will likely go pick it up tomorrow afternoon since I had too much going on today. If LGA 1700 is getting another CPU with something interesting like this, I am likely going to hold onto this platform for awhile. Will be interesting to see what they base the core on. The above chart looks like BTL could be it's own new core, which hopefully includes some IPC gains and maybe some IMC/cache rework. 

What is puzzling to me is that we are just now hearing about this. If it is a secret weapon that they had in their back pocket and only intended to release it if necessary to keep Ryzen 9 from taking first fiddle that kind of feels like an NVIDIA shenanigan. I don't like the idea of them holding out on us and only giving us something better when they have to in order to stay on top.  But, I wouldn't be surprised by it. I think they are all dishonest companies. Honesty and integrity are foreign concepts in the technology industry.

I've never heard of this group before right now, but dang... awesome stuff. They jam real hard. Love it. 🤘

This is certainly interesting. I'm going to check it out.

https://amdaputuningutility.com/

Edit: well... that was a waste of time. Pretty worthless in terms of features.  Maybe it would be more useful for AMD or people that are primarily gamers (not overclocking enthusiast) but I'm not seeing any point of having it installed. I can't set higher than 400W on the CPU, which is just a joke. Everything is gimped with max settings that are way too low. Saying it is useful for Intel and NVIDIA shows a pretty massive disconnect.

The most important thing is that processors remain unlocked so you can do whatever you want. 125W, 150W, 170W TDP doesn't matter if you can push it to 500W-700W-1000W if you want and need to. I set my power limits at 4095W on everything, including turdbooks that would never breach 125W, so that power limits effectively never become a limiting factor, and I always have. I would be super pissed off if I couldn't do that anymore.

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Energy efficiency over everything. Thats also the reason Intel now don't want HT for consumer chips. If you want to be the Single core performance king then you don't need HT. And you need to feed less voltage into the chips for hyper fast burst loads with a simple single core Maybe AL will have less crashes. So cores is king, not HT, LOOL

 

In short.... Boost your best two cores to heaven to win the new modern game. 

 

Doing more with less has to be my old friend @Mr. Foxworst nightmare 

🤗

 

I really hate this move. Want offer minimal power consumption then offer another new crippled SKUs. This way everyone can have their needs fulfilled. But nope..  Everyone should and must have the same🤮 Exactly as jokebooks.

 

In truth, with this new generation, AMD seems to be betting on energy efficiency more than anything else. This is why the  CPU  TDP has dropped from one generation to the next , going from 105W for the 7700X to 65W for this 9700X.

 

Ryzen 9000, a coming disappointment on the gaming side?

NHU9B - July 16, span widget

😖 🤮 💩 🦨 

7 hours ago, Papusan said:

New low from Asus. $500 for Keyboards. Or $300 more than a vanilla motherboard. Hmmm. Razer get stiff competition on how to rip money from gaming gears and stupid consumers. Add +25% for Norway and we see $625 USD for Gaming keyboard. Thats dang disgusting. Who said MB and gpus nowadays was overpriced? 

 

ASUS ROG Unveils Azoth Extreme Gaming Keyboard With OLED Display For $499

Goes beyond disgusting. I am convinced they are literally insane. But, not as insane as someone that would spend that much on a keyboard. Not to mention the fact that it is 10 keys short of a legit keyboard. TKL is for small turdbooks.

Certifiably...
 

13 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Agreed. After seeing this news I actually decided to pull the trigger on an open box Apex Encore at my local MC for $400. Says complete, I will likely go pick it up tomorrow afternoon since I had too much going on today. If LGA 1700 is getting another CPU with something interesting like this, I am likely going to hold onto this platform for awhile. Will be interesting to see what they base the core on. The above chart looks like BTL could be it's own new core, which hopefully includes some IPC gains and maybe some IMC/cache rework. 

I won't care about it if it turns out to be a 12 core/12 thread part. If it is not hyperthreaded It will be slower than 13900/14900K/KF/KS if only 12C/12T even if there is an IPC improvement. Will have to wait and see how it is made. It might be better for gaming, but I honestly don't care. I don't need it to be. What I have already is more than adequate for that.

23 minutes ago, chew said:

 

I honestly don't pay attention to that dude.....

 

But i went hunting again and 2 tries another 8600 or better cpu,  can bench 8600 on tachyon x fine so 😉

His potty mouth and arrogance really rubs me the wrong way. I often find watching his videos to be annoying, but more often than not I think he is accurate and I frequently agree with him. It's just too bad his personality is like a bottle of acetone. I don't think I have seen a better example of a person being a legend in their own mind.

7 hours ago, Talon said:

Intel Bartlett Lake-S lives?

 

https://x.com/jaykihn0/status/1812852062444482740

 

12 P cores, 10 P cores, 8 P cores with no E cores at all. LGA1700 lives on!

OK now, this might actually interest me. No E-cores and 12 P-cores is definitely a step in the right direction. Particularly so if I don't have to waste money on a new motherboard. I'm not keen on buying any new motherboards for at least another year or two... maybe three. Not worth it.

But, that only interests me if hyperthreading is included. 12 P-cores without hyperthreading is a non-starter. They can keep that crippled piece of crap if it is not hyperthreaded.

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

Yup. I use what I get in hands. I only returned the two KS because these are so called Special Edition. I don't want pay extra for nothing or for chips that barely should be branded K. If it was K pricing then thats another animal. I want what I pay for. Nothing more or less. 

The 14900KS that I returned was the worst CPU I have ever owned. It was an absolute piece of garbage. SE meant "sucky edition" for that one. It was worse than the 5950X and I hated that CPU.

31 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

l have said the same several times in this thread. This stupidity need to stop. And I never run my chips at stock or with the fancy 2 core boost feature. All cores running same speed and with manuell override voltage. Have never used adaptive voltage and paired it with a couple of cores for peak burst boost performance. Thats for jokebooks. Not desktop where you have better cooling. 

💯we have both always operated that way. It's the only way that I will do it. The gamerboy way with adaptive behavior sucks. It's pointless and you may as well just run it BIOS defaults. With the current way things work that will kill it.

10 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Jufes is spot on about all of it, including the delid and bare die thing. I don't allow stock boosting crap on preferred cores, I lock everything down and run bare die. My voltage is where I set it and the heat gets removed right away. No insane voltage spikes and no cooked cores running wild with the package running within Intel power limits. No degradation and no instability. Everything under control. No spastic TVB behavior, no ASUS AI CPU-killing nonsense and no obsession with stupid single-core or two-core idiot overclocking.

He is right on the AMD stuff, too. For exactly the same reasons. X3D chips control the voltage and lock the cores and don't allow runaway cores with insane voltage spikes on the favored CCD cores. Interesting comment about AMD starting the nonsense with their stupid single-core PBO and suffering the same fate, then accidentally fixing their own mess with the X3D chips by locking them down.

The forum is back to being slow and unresponsive again. 😐

16 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Nice! Mine will be here tomorrow so I'm looking forward to getting it on the test bench and spelunking around in the BIOS to see what it can do for me.

 

 

Lightning dethroned the Edge for Jufes's top ITX pick:

 

 

 

Wish I could have found an open box, but seeing as Amazon doesn't really deal with Asrock anymore directly, that basically means none would appear on the Warehouse. 😞

 

Speaking of Jufes, he posits it is the 2 core preferred insane boosting and voltage slamming through the chips that is causing degradation:

 

 

I would get the Lightning versus the Edge in your situation. Since I already own your Edge it would be frivolous for me to spend the money to buy a Lightning only to gain maybe 200MHz on the memory overclock. I do like the all black aesthic better than the silver and white. I think it looks nicer. Even with the 14900KF with the SA bug, the Edge is running like a top at 8200 CL36 with an anemic 1.190V VCCSA.

Jufes is probably right, as he most often is. I do not use TVB. I think gimmicks like TVB and PBO are a wuss way of overclocking a CPU. I don't do the favored 2 core boost. I just lock all cores at the same amount and lock the voltage where it works best. No fuss, no muss. And, none of the issue the media is buzzing about. And, I think that would be consistent with his opinion.

1 hour ago, chew said:

It's nice to see another ITX motherboard with memory overclocking capabilities similar to the Apex and Tachyon X. If I didn't already have the Z790i Edge I would not hesitate to grab a Z790i Lightning.