Mr. Fox

I sure do like having the tried and true 8-pin x 3 PCIe power cables instead of the chintzy 12VHPWR (aka 2x6 fire-starter) cables. I definitely got the memory temps down to an acceptable level with that last change. Hotspot temps are status quo for Radeon video cards. 

This game sucks, but the benchmark sure does use a lot more system memory and CPU resources than most. Right on the heels of 4090 performance in this title. Very acceptable price to performance at half the cost and even decent at 4K. GPU boost clock constantly between 3200 and 3300 MHz with no core offset.

Hopefully there will be a waterblock for this GPU. I've tried PTM pad, KPx and MX-6 and changed from putty to thermal pads and the temperatures are the same regardless. Memory junction temps are either too high or the sensors are off. 90°C memory temps reminds me of the 3090 when cryptomining and the 6900 XT (which hit 90°C on air or on water). The GPU is boosting to like 3400 on core with -100mV core voltage offset, no core clock offset and default (100%) power limit. Still impressive 4K results for a $700 GPU.

Edit: so, I got the memory temps down 10°C but hotspot went up a few degrees. I used a thicker pad on the memory chips with higher w/mK rating. The others were making contact, but not being pressed enough to smash the thermal pad hard between the heatsink and chip. I used 0.5mm pads on everything. VRMs and inductors were getting pressed very hard but not the memory, so I replaced the memory thermal pads with 1.0mm 13w/mK pads.

So, I am guessing the contact pressure on the die is not as great with the thicker pads on the memory and the pressure on the memory chips is much higher. I may try replacing the screws with springs with regular screws without springs to increase pressure on the die. Definitely an improvement even though hotspot temps increased slightly.

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Flagship is getting fast though, I think Nvidia started opening up the gap with the 4090. I remember the GTX 1080Ti being about 50% faster than a 1070. But here we are with a 5090 that’s three times than a 5070. That is nuts! 🙂

Flagships are made more attractive by deliberately suppressing and diminishing the performance and value of sub-flagship alternative products. The Green Goblin has already been deliberate about this by restricting PCIe lanes, PCIe bandwidth, memory bandwidth and memory capacity and deliberately castrating those products to make them less desirable. The performance differences are partly real and partly artificial and fabricated.

They make the best product that everyone wants absurdly expensive and everything else undesirable and still overpriced. Don't want to pay out the kazoo for our best and most overpriced product? No problem you can spend less on this piece of crap that sells for twice what it is worth instead of four or five times more than it is worth.

Just as allowing no good deed to go unpunished is a great way to discourage the continuance of good behavior, rewarding bad behavior effectively guarantees that more will follow.

57 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

 

what im most worried about is the "value freeze" that MLID has been speculating about recently:

 

basically, just like with the SLI capabilities, Nvidia would go up the stack each year and freeze performance/buck in place vs. the previos gen. in the 40 series they did it with the 60 skus, now with the 50 series the 70 sku provides almost no value increase over last gen.

 

if this gets out of hand and they start stalling the 90 series, were over and done with boiz. imagine intel skylake era 5% bumps with every gen 💩

with only enough reserves to make a bigger bump once AMD comes too close for comfort with their cards....

That would suck. Finding a silver lining, we would save money and more closely resemble the "good old days" when you could still beat the latest and greatest with something one or two generations older just by overclocking the crap out of it. The way things are trending, they'll probably block that as much as possible with the evil dictatorship approach to tech.

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

For years high end PC hardware, in the old days had dimensioning returns. A lot more expensive, for very little gain. I mean, look at the RTX 3080 for $699.99 compared to the RTX 3090 $1,499. Everyone bought a 3090 and it was barely faster stock. The 3080 for less than half the cost was churning out 80-85% the performance. 
 

But lately, the performance gap between 5080 and 5090 is absolutely MASSIVE. It’s like 85% faster sometimes. So on paper the RTX 5090 is double the specs for double the price. If only the 5090 had double the power limit it probably would be double the performance almost all the time. So with the 5080 costing $999, and 5090 costing $1,999, we are getting more value than ever before. Double VRAM, double cuda cores, and nearly double performance in the super heavy loads.
 

I just think the main problem is AIB greed. We can only compare the 5090 Astral MSRP to the 5080 Astral MSRP. So it’s still a similar story there. For double the price of a 5080 Astral, you get double the specs with a 5090 Astral lol. 

Yeah, the diminishing return when buying flagship products has always been a thing and should be expected. The absolutely ludicrous price gap, and the increase in all models across the board, has never been so over the top and can only be viewed as abusive and nefarious in both nature and scope in the way things are now. The approach they are taking doesn't deserve the consumer cooperation and validation is it receiving, so we are collectively cutting our own throat instead of cutting theirs. They deserve to be financially devastated for their behavior and we just keep giving them reasons to keep doing it and giving them our stamp of approval for them to get worse.

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

5090 is obviously superior in every way, but is it $729 vs $3359 superior? Is it $999 5080FE vs $3359 superior?

That's where I get stuck. The gap in performance is much smaller than the gap in price. If it is not 4.5 times more powerful it should not be 4.5 times more expensive. If it is I feel like the joke is on me and I'm their little money-making whore.

54 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

i see youre a man of my taste when it comes to cars: cheap, functional, thats it. no frills haha

Pretty much, yup. Although mine is a fancy older model (2005 Ford Five Hundred SEL AWD) that I bought with like 50K miles on it. And, I drive everything until there is nothing left worth driving and the parts that are worn out cost more than the car is worth. You can get really nice cars for pennies on the dollar after all of the suckers and chumps have taken their losses. When it is worn out (another 200K miles to go) and not worth fixing I will sell it for what I paid for it. Lather, rinse, repeat.

5 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Imagine giving all 5090 owners a 1,200 watt XOC bios. 🤣 My goodness. 

We would probably see the reason why nobody has that except for the chosen ones. Just the thought of some of them owning a stock 5090 it's kind of scary. But not as scary as the thought that a desirable non-FE 5090 model costs more than what I paid for the car I've been driving for the last 5 years and will continue driving for at least a couple more.

25 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

welp i wish him all the best with that 😄 ive included clear, concise statements at three different spots in the offer (title, offer type / item condition, detailed description text) that the cpu is defective and its also clearly stated that there are no refunds 😛 

 

crazy people!

I have sold several dead Intel CPUs on eBay for over $100 each, LOL. And, with very clear disclosures.

49 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

"Profits above people" extend to all facets of corporate America.

 

The most egregious of them all is the healthcare industry as profitability is grossly incongruent with offering optimal, financially sane care for American citizens.

 

 

I agree, but I see it as a "corporate world view" that is not limited to America. This is a worldwide problem with big business and China is the biggest offender. Although, American corporations should be an exception to the norm. We should expect them to rise above and be better than that.

16 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

thats the difficult thing when having several pieces of silicon and not just a single large centrally located one on the substrate.

This  design made it very hard for me to embrace Ryzen and I still really hate the design. It is an idiotic approach to processor design. It adds latency, unnecessary complexity and additional opportunities for failure. Along with the foolish elimination of hyperthreading the tiled design (a conceptually similar display of poor judgment and bad engineering decisions) was also a major factor in my rejection of Core Ultra and movement to Ryzen. The good old days are gone boys. What we're left with is the machinations of fundamentally bad people, educated idiots, greed on steroids and mainstream stupidity. End users get whatever end users get and they expect us all to feel grateful for getting screwed. Just as Big Pharma doesn't care about people getting better as long as they keep taking their lifelong poison meds, Big Tech doesn't care what is best for the people that buy their crap as long as the money keeps coming. They only pretend to care and listen when it is necessary to recover from a slowdown in revenue generation.

6 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Hey wait, you need a Suprim block? I still have mine sitting here.

I have a Byski block on it already. That's the one in the photo. I ordered a Core for it (should be here Thursday) just because I think it looks a lot nicer. It's really chunky looking and has the backplate formed around the perimeter so there is no visible PCB or air space between the acrylic front and metal backplate. But, thank you for asking. What block for the Suprim do you have?

On 4/1/2025 at 2:43 AM, Mr. Fox said:

Brother @jaybee83 - this one is the one I would recommend. Both of mine are solid AMD kits.

 

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-ddr5-8000/p/N82E16820374624?Item=N82E16820374624

Sorry to hear about your CPU Brother @jaybee83. Something similar happened to Brother @Raiderman. I delidded his 9950X and tested it out. Everything worked great. I use the TG Mycro direct die block. He had issues with contact and thermals using a die frame and regular waterblock. He removed the CPU and when he put it back in the thing was dead. It has nothing visually wrong with it.

By the way. I finally found a 48GB EXPO 8000 kit and it is totally stable in the Gigabyte Master. It's on the QVL as well. I believe it is a new SKU. All other 48GB memory I have tested on every AM5 motherboard was unstable. G.SKILL and TeamGroup Intel XMP kits were never stable even with all manual tuning. 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0DGRLW7V7

Nice to see you Brother @Rage Set. I hope all has been well with you. About the storage addiction... no explanation for it. Don't need it. Don't use it all. But I like doing things in excess.

Congrats on the Astral Brother @johnksss. I'd be happy to delid the 14900KS for you. I think I may still have an extra LGA1700 IceMan or TG Mycro direct die block. If I still have one its yours as a gift.

I am almost done with the projects. My tiny office has never felt so big, LOL. I still need to install the IceMan dual D5 pump in the O11D XL EVO. I just ran out of time so I slapped a single Byksi pump along with the Alphacool pump/res. I am going to have to fabricate a bracket for the dual D5 pump and just didn't have enough time or energy left to fuss with it right now. I also still need to delid the second 9950X CPU and install the second TG Mycro block. I'll probably do all of that at once in a couple of weeks after the Alpahcool Core block for the 4090 Suprim gets here.

So, the O11D XL EVO turns out to be too small for push/pull with the fat radiators I installed.

Heatkiller rads in top and bottom, Alphacool X-Flow in the side next to the mobo. Using the awesome Montech Metal Pro fans. I really like these fans. I have some in the Gene build as well. Since I have extras due to not being able to do push/pull on the O11D XL EVO I am going to use them to replace the inferior fans in the Gene.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DJ45JWL1?th=1

50 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

I think that was a smart move to sell off a lot of hardware, downsize, clean up  and get some clarity financially.

The cancer has caused a lot of reflection to occur. I feel mostly normal and haven't changed much overall, but after having to "donate" a $10K after-tax bonus from work to pay medical bills and further enrich a wealthy institution instead of stuffing most of it into a Roth IRA made me begin to re-evaluate things even more than the condition itself. The cynical side of my personality has been boosted rather dramatically, especially when it comes to things where the price tag is ludicrous, opportunistic and abusive and/or the product is a poor price to value proposition. I can't identify a better example of that than a 5090. 

I go in on 5/30 for tests to confirm the treatment was effective and boost my medical expense account balance from zero to whatever my deductible and copay is going to amount to.

Side benefit... my updated forum signature is smaller now. 

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

9070xt installed and clean install of Windows 11 Pro for the next few days as my daily driver. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

 

Day 1 and I'm finding a lot of things I like an don't like.

 

Likes:

 

GPU is stupidly quiet with no coil whine

GPU runs crazy cool under load

Boosts to 3ghz+ right out of the box. Highest I've seen so far is 3230

While it was rumored to have the weaker 304w vBIOS, it actually has the 340w variant and has pulled up to 371w

Minimal lighting and is quieter under load than the 5080 FE and Astral 5090 which were both already very quiet

Very stylish looking

 

Dislikes:

 

Terrible issues with flickering with HDR enabled. The 5080 and 5090 have them too but nowhere near like the 9070xt. I just keep HDR off till I want it on for gaming. Same as I did with Nvidia.

 

While lower than many other 9070xt's I've seen, the hot spot in the 80s along with  the memory hitting 90+. Yes, I know that's within range, but I prefer my temps lower.

 

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In WoW, it is hitting ~98fps in the new test spot 4k ultra RT max with  99% utilization:

 

 

This puts it at:

 

9070xt        =  98fps

9070xt OC  = TBD

5080 FE      = 115fps  (~18% faster than 9070xt)

4090           = 125fps (~28% faster than the 9070xt)

5080 FE OC= 126fps (~29% faster than 9070xt)

4090 OC     = 135fps (~38% faster than the 9070xt)

Astral 5090 = 186fps (~90% faster than the 9070xt)

Astral 5090 OC = 210fps (~114% faster than the 9070xt)

 

5090 OC vs 4090 OC = ~56% faster (whoa!)

 

I'm actually very impressed with the 9070xt on the newest Adrenalin drivers released a few days ago (25.4.1). It has cleaned up a lot of issues in WoW including the stuttering and chunking with RT on. I spent a few hours playing and zero problems.

 

If things stay the same right now, and I was a WoW player and MSRP was in effect, I would pick a 9070xt over a 5080 FE because the price:performance is just better. If price wasn't too much of a consideration, I would then go with the 5080 FE.

 

If price is NO object, the 5090 is just a wrecking ball. The 9070xt is faster in WoW than the 7900xtx and the 5090 just obliterates it in the scariest fashion.

 

 

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@Mr. Fox Deus Ex MD problem fixed. After a lot of trial and error what was happening was playing around with MSAA in the pre-launch menu was for some reason sticking even when disabled for some reason dragging performance down once in the actual game. Here is a video giving the 9070xt a proper run with all the options checked in the video menu before benchmark so you can install 25.4.1 and give it another go and double check my work:

 

 

 

And the actual results:

 

 

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Lastly is Fallout 76. I happen to find a few spots that push the 9070xt to ~96% util which is good! I have my bud with the 5090 FE actively trying to find the most graphically demanding spots in the game to see how hard we can push the 5090. I plan on joining the hunt when I switch back. Stay tuned....

I really like the 9070 XT. First AMD GPU I have owned that I can say that. Not the world's fastest, but probably the best bang for the buck. I will try the newer driver this weekend and see how it compares.

I just got the build with the Gene redone. I like it. The Antec Constellation C8 case is such a nice one, just a bit smaller than I would like it to be. After putting the 9070 XT in it and putting the RAM back on air, the dual 360 loop with only the CPU on water really cleaned things up. 

Now I need to redo the build with the triple radiator in the O11D XL EVO, delid the CPU in the Gene, then I think I am done.

On a personal note, I am so happy I cancelled my Apex order and did not buy a 5090. I really like the AORUS Master mobo. A couple of minor gripes: no BIOS option to disable WiFi/BT M.2 slot and no setting to adjust the POST wait time to enter setup, but the Cabron was also missing the latter for some stupid reason. I will either physically remove the WiFi7/BT card that I have no use for or maybe see if I can mod the BIOS to add the two missing menu options. (Already asked Gigabyte and they just said no and used the excuse that nobody else is complaining about it and suggested I disable it in Device Manager if I don't want it. Losers.)

After selling the Gigabyte 4090, white Apex, TG Xtreem 8200 and 14900KS I purchased the second 9950X, second TG Mycro, 5 radiators, 12 fans, my third Sabrent Quad NVMe card, two D5 pump/reservoirs, tubing, fittings, an Alphacool Core block for the 4090 Suprim (replacing the Bykski block primarily for aesthetic reasons favoring the look of the Core) a couple more 2TB NVMe, a 9600X CPU for the B850 build given to my grand daughters, two 800W UPSes and still have $600 sitting in my PayPal account, LOL. I would have needed to add money to buy a non-FE 5090. When I stop and think about this it makes the thought of buying one just seems totally ludicrous to me now. I was very tempted to blow $3K+ on a GPU I didn't need.

Plenty of NVMe storage... GPU still PCIe 5.0 X16. Both Sabrent Quad NVMe cards running at their full Gen3 X4 speeds on both chipset X16 slots. No botched up bifurcation trash. 10 NVMe, 3 SATA.

2 minutes ago, johnksss said:

I'm still tripping out on the voltage. it's 1.110V! So a shunt mod would actually do this card justice or an unlocked power mod PNY vbios. I had not seen any other card with a voltage that high before.

That's excellent. If it's 1.100V without even using the 100mV slider that is very good news, especially if using it takes it up to 1.200V. The 4090 Suprim and Gigabyte 4090 Gaming OC are both 1.100V max with the extra 100mV, which isn't enough.

15 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Considering how 95% of the titles came from consoles its not a surprise that it plays better on a controller.

I havent played it a whole lot personally yet, I put it on ice for a year or two and enjoy it at that time.

I don't mind a game having options available to use a controller. I know some people prefer that and I'm okay with whatever floats their boat. Gaming should be done in whatever matter the gamer wants it. What I don't like is having no controller connected and being forced to work my way through configuration menus that assume I have a controller attached even though I don't, and all of the on screen action prompts show me controller buttons to press even though no controller is attached. There are a lot of console games ported to PC that don't have that kind of a shortcoming.

That's awesome brother @johnksss I'm super glad to hear that you're pleased. 

PNY has my attention and I expect to see great things develop with their brand with Vince involved. If given the chance I'm pretty sure he's going to take them to greatness like he did with EVGA 

12 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Hmmmm, I will have to watch a review on it. I have no idea what the game or premise is about.

I generally do not ever enjoy playing RPG titles. That won't come as a surprise to anyone here, but this one has lots of long cutscenes and too much boring time wasted watching them other than actually engaging in action. I don't mind a few short cutscenes here and there in a title with lots of pulse pounding action, but I'm not too much into watching fantasy cartoons. And the plethora of unimportant character configuration options is pretty annoying. Just give me a 30 second intro at the start of a chapter, give me guns and bullets, then get out of my way while I rain down hellfire and brimstone, LoL.

So, I got Monster Hunter Wilds as a freebie with the second 9950X. I'd already run the free Steam benchmark and was pretty sure I thought it would suck. Kind of like the Final Fantasy franchise. Nice benchmarks, but sucky games. I was right. I redeemed the code and installed it, and it is an extremely sucky game. Can't believe they get $60 for such a piece of crap. It's essentially everything that don't like in a game, LOL. Fortunately it was free and I don't have to care. Will reclaim the drive space wasted on it. On top of everything else, it's built for people that love using gamepad controllers and not a keyboard-friendly title.

2 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Well, that does not necessarily mean other 5080/5090 bios cannot work on the FE though, I do not think anyone has tried to flash theirs. Flashing the 5080FE would be beneficial though. You can pick-up 90 more wattsies.

That will be helpful for the fragile petite power cables as well. Those slim cables are just so darned cute... especially the RGB type. If you choose red you won't even notice when the fire starts.

6 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Well, this answers the question 😞

 

Strike 2....

 

I'm gladder than ever that I didn't allow my hobby to drive a reward of overpriced bad behavior. The Green Goblin is long overdue for getting a red-hot ice pick to the gonads.

30 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Intel can't even make silicon wafers for own products. And people can't afford anything it if prices go up 2-3 or even 4 times todays prices. And people start cry already if inflation is above 4%. This doesn't look good, Neither for US or rest of the world. 

It will be fine. No pain, no gain. The world needs to be reminded that delayed gratification is a good thing. Long term results are more important than fulfillment of short-sighted passions and addictions to things that don't really matter in the grand scheme of things. The crappy stuff that China sells to us doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. They are expendable and unnecessary commodities that can be produced elsewhere without the sweat of slave laborers and lab rats that bow before the throne of a godless devil. It's time for the tail to stop wagging the dog. Be happy for the world, but especially for the people of China as they prepare to chop off the head of the snake and bring destruction from the inside. China and the Xi Jinping dynast should be memorialized in history for their grandest contribution to the world (COVID-19) and you know what they say about payback.

16 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

 

Maybe for a while, but it is a short-sighted concern that loses sight of the end game. But, it looks like it is working according to plan. Hopefully this will cause China to implode and collapse into a century of poverty, pain and obsurity on the heels of a massive civil war and the end of an evil empire. It might hurt a little bit for us, but in the end the world will profit with the destruction of the Red Devil. It's natural to worry about what it means for us in the short term, but it is important to care more about what it means long term, for us and the rest of the world, our children, grandkids and great grandkids and the optimism that will come to a world in which China no longer matters to anyone. They're going to hurt a lot more than any of us will. And, that's how it should be and according to plan. No work, no money, no food... won't take much longer, especially with so many starving and newly unemployed slave worker mouths to feed. 

Sad to see so much performance gimping happening on a GPU where the manufacturers did not gimp on the price. Hardly seems right. Because it isn't. It's realy messed up, just like the unrealistically unethical and totally absurd overpricing. In light of the predatory pricing they should all be capable of a running double stock core and VRAM clocks.