Mr. Fox

2 hours ago, Clamibot said:

Does anyone have any tips for reviving a thermoelectric element or is it completely toast?

I have never used a TEC before, but they seem simple enough that fixing it should not be too difficult if you can confirm what went wrong. If I had to guess it would be the TEC plate itself probably gave up the ghost. Unless there is something proprietary about it, you might be able to replace it with a generic module. I would definitely look into fixing it. Please keep us posted and let us know if you figure it out. Sorry that this happened.

31 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

What brand did you choose? Here home I put my money on Stihl - Wikipedia products. A German company that always offer quality. They have a lot different tools for the garden and the forrest. And I have always been very pleased with this brand. And they don't change products for the sake of newer has to be better. They rather make revision changes if needed. 

 

 

BTW. Also Nvidia follow the new tech trend........

Nvidia Blackwell GPUs allegedly delayed due to design flaws

 

Firm says Nvidia's skyrocketing AI valuation is in a 'bubble' and 'overhyped' — Elliott says AI apps are not viable

 

Elliott's commentary comes amid a rally in AI-related stocks, driven by investor enthusiasm for generative AI, the FT says. Meanwhile, Nvidia has lost nearly $600 billion in market capitalization since early July, and that says something.

Stihl are excellent. chainsaws. I agree. That was the brand we always bought back in the day that I actually had a use for them. I also like Husqvarna and always loved their amazing dirt bikes.

Here is another amazing repair by Tony at Northwest Repair. I posted a comment suggesting that he reattach the I/O bracket reinforcement to the heat pipes using JB Weld. I am 99.9% certain that will be more than strong enough to hold it forever.

10 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I recently needed to make a decision for buying a yard tool, and this tool was something I needed now and would also use for years down the road. A “Chainsaw” lol. Very simple item. But most are consumer garbage and disposable just like a lot of the PC’s and laptops available today, you wouldn’t believe most chain saws have a plastic crank, and even plastic crank case housing (Don’t drop it). And just like in the tech PC world, in the chainsaw world their are chainsaw enthusiasts 😂 Yep, and they are overclocking and tweaking and building some crazy high performance chainsaws 😂 haha anyways, I wanted something that would last me, something you don’t toss in the bin when it breaks, something that can be fixed if required, so I started looking at Pro saws for clearing my lot now and in the future for years to come. Good chainsaws are pretty expensive. But I ended up settling on a model.  And within most of these models they have added the usual “Updated fancy tech electronic features” to these chainsaws, This feature is called “Mtronic” this is like an ECU for a chainsaw. It controls fuel, spark, if it’s rich or lean etc. I couldn’t help but think why the heck do I need this on a chainsaw? Fortunately they sale both, and either option is the same price. Moral of the story, I seriously could not decide which one to buy, is newer better? I just thought which one you’d probably buy. And since they still sale the same one they designed without all of these electronics and epa regulations/ and emission restrictions attached, right beside the new fancy pants one, and for the same price, that’s the one I went with. A darn good ole chainsaw with a regular carburetor, no electronics on it, updates were disabled for 10 years on this one (Just like your Windows) 🤣 It’ll always work and it will always run! Newer is not always better. Another thing I am not a fan of is these newer Z790 Apex bios by the way. I’m running 9901 currently, this is the only bios available that has “XMP Tweaked” for the white Apex, and this is a nice bios. Now, time to go knock out some of those darn trees! 😎

You made the right decision. 😆 Newer is always newer.

I was still a mechanic when electronic ignition surfaced. I always used Mallory dual-point distributors in my street rods. I had some friends that "upgraded" to MSD electronic ignition kits. The claimed "they never wear out" and "zero maintenance" and I was happy to replace my points and condensor when they got worn out. Very easy and affordable. I laughed at my friends when their ECM failed and they had to save up or work overtime to buy a new one. They were expensive. I reminded them "no moving parts" and "never wear out" and "zero maintenance" was the reason they felt newer was better. 

7 hours ago, Papusan said:

No-one want to talk about AMD and their problems.... At least Puget have popped up now to tell the truth about Ryzen chips. And Puget Systems ain't a small Pc-building company.

 

High-end PC builder Puget Systems released records showing that its current failure rate of 13th- and 14th-generation Intel processors is a little over 2%, while systems it has shipped with AMD Ryzen 5000 and 7000 chips have a little over 4% failure rate

 

Puget says its Intel CPU failure rate is lower than AMD Ryzen failures — retailer releases failure rate data, cites conservative power settings

 

Puget claims AMD Ryzen 5000 and 7000 chips have a higher failure rate than Intel 13th- and 14th-gen processors, so far.

Yes, I already knew this and I suspect you did as well, but speaking about it is unpopular. AMD is often protected as the meek and lowly underdog, but the fanboys rush to crucify the big, mean evil Intel and NVIDIA when they make mistakes. One of my sons prefers AMD and he has had two Ryzen CPUs die in the past two years. He does not overclock. He sets PBO and plays games. I have had Intel CPUs die as well, but only one that I have no idea why. The others were executed courtesy of the incompetent idiots at ASUS. The way I look at it is this: pick your poison. None are perfect or free of fault. Decide what you want and buy it. Then deal with whatever happens. Expect the worst. All of them suck and all of them are dishonest. None are honorable or trustworthy. And none of them care about you, your PC, or how it affects you. It's not their problem. We should not expect more from Intel or hold them to a higher standard simply because their failure rate is lower or because their faults are more rare. In the end, what we expect from any of them does not matter. We do not matter. They only care about money, market status and shareholders. They all operate on the same business model.

7 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Monstrous value here used but like new sold and shipped from Asrock 6950XT for $420 via Amazon

 

Glad to see Asrock and Amazon worked out their differences as their store is nearly fully stocked with their products.
🙂

That is pretty cheap.

It's nice to see Linus presenting a rational explanation and it really fits with the fact that manual overclockers are generally having none of the issues. Mostly the gamerboyz that try to use the bugged mobo manufacturer "features" and eTVB garbage and misguided sloppy LLC undervolting mistakes. (I don't agree with the advice at the end to install the latest BIOS update. The better solution would be to suggest manual tuning.)

 For those who have drank the Kool-Aid and joined the muppet show of Winduhz 11 apostles, here is some fuel for the fire for those of us that despise the new cancer OS. Windows 11 offers no benefit and is actually harmful to performance. The only thing Winduhz 11 offers is a new level of ugliness for those that prefer a less-useful and tackier-looking GUI. The joke is on Windoze 11 users, but it's not a funny one. Utterly worthless OS downgrade. But, everyone is too busy hating on Intel to talk about this right now.

3 hours ago, Talon said:

@Mr. Fox made the video. Are you going to request some royalties? 

I saw my posts and forum name and avatar several times at both EVGA and OC.net forums. 🤣

No matter what degree of merit any of this new round of psychotic pablum has, all of the negative publicity is going to be harmful to Intel and it could ultimately be more harmful to overclocking enthusiasts if they start locking things down and interfering with user tuning controls. The media is a two-edged sword and they have the power to create more issues than they solve. GN is certainly a trusted source and I do not doubt the accuracy (very well supported by facts) but I do question whether or not any of it is going to benefit anyone and may end up being more harmful than helpful in the long run.

One of my biggest take-aways from all of the hype (and it surfaced a few times in the GN video) is the hidden nugget (unintended and inconvenient truth) that refusing BIOS and OS updates when my systems are functioning the way I want them to is an extremely wise personal best practice that I have abided by for more than a decade and I shall continue doing so indefinitely because it has exempted me, almost entirely, from the stupid nonsense that update evangelists have suffered from. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. If you do, it will eventually get broken.

Nothing I have seen so far changes my fondness for my nicely binned 13th and 14th Gen i9 CPUs and none of it makes me pause to consider the possibility of AMD as a viable option. All of these big tech companies are equally dishonest scumbags that are rotten from head to toe and never let an opportunity to cover their own asses with lies and misrepresentations to slip by them. None of them give a rat's butt about their employees or the people that buy their products. We cannot trust any of them to be honest about anything... ever. The current mess with Intel causes too many of us to forget the past messes, missteps lies and scams from AMD and NVIDIA. Some fairly recent.

Speaking of lies and missrepresentations, for those who have drank the Kool-Aid and joined the muppet show of Winduhz 11 apostles, here is some fuel for the fire for those of us that despise the new cancer OS. Windows 11 offers no benefit and is actually harmful to performance. The only thing Winduhz 11 offers is a new level of ugliness for those that prefer a less-useful and tackier-looking GUI. The joke is on Windoze 11 users, but it's not a funny one. Utterly worthless OS downgrade. But, everyone is too busy hating on Intel to talk about this right now.

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I don't think 1.35v-1.4v is the problem. I think a massive series of transient spikes and/or 1.5+ temporary loads over and over again are the problem.

 

I expect Intel to cap the VR out max to ~1.45v with the MC update. *Maybe* 1.40v at the worst for over compensation. As it stands, we are seeing single core boosting to 1.5+, 1.6 and sometimes a bit higher which is insane and the real problem IMHO. You start to damage your preferred cores and all hell breaks loose. You force multiple cores to potentially pull those insane volts and it's game over sooner than later. With this limitation, there are suddenly going to be a rash of chips that can't hit their 6.2 targets consistently.

 

This would also show reason why higher binned silicon isn't degrading as fast or actually surviving because they don't need to boost that high unless you get those who are stuck on wanting to run 6.0+ all the time single and multi 24/7.

Yes, I agree.

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

I wonder how it would go if you could rent processors from Intel. Maybe you could get their best binned Cpu's ? Return it to sender if it's trash (has to be within their best 2% best binned chips or back it goes). 

 

The tech trend continue rolling. Anyone want Subscription-based hardware?

 

 

 It's difficult seeing many computer users buying into this monetization model. 

 

Faber is more confident about this being the future of mice after visiting the company’s innovation center in Ireland. There, she says one of the team members showed her a concept of the “forever mouse” and described it as “a little heavier, it had great software and services that you’d constantly update, and it was beautiful.” The mouse is compared with a nice watch that isn’t just thrown away, such as a Rolex.

 

Logitech Floats Idea Of A Subscription-Based Forever Mouse With DLC

 

 

Sad that they would offer it, and sad that some people will actually go along with the program. We live in an era of rampant stupidity where intelligence is rare and idiocy and foolishness are becoming the new normal. 

I forgot to share this. Others may find it useful.

The Rampage IV Gene BIOS fan controls are poor (very limited) compared to newer ASUS motherboards. I found this application for manually controlling the AIO pump and fans on the Gene. It works fantastic. And, it is inexpensive. You can try the free version before buying. The default configuration is annoying because it has system tray icons (like Core Temp does) showing values for monitored sensors After fussing with the settings to turn them off and configuring he option to minimize to tray I am very pleased with it. I suspect it will work for most systems, including laptops.

I turned off everything except the fan controls. I don't need the monitoring for everything because I use HWiNFO64 for that.

https://www.argusmonitor.com/

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Not sure if I'm going to keep it but everything else about it seems pretty solid. I just have to decide if I'm good with the SA Bug as 8000 tuned was my D2D goal.

I had one truly amazing Patriot Viper Blackout DDR4 Samsung B-die memory kit. Two others of the same SKU were trash and none of the Patriot DDR5 I have tested was any good. The TG Xtreme 48GB DDR5-8200 kit I have is excellent. Definitely superior to the the G.Skill. But, the TG Delta kits seem to get beaten by Trident Z kits.

The CPU I have with the SA bug is rock solid. I would buy it again if given the opportunity. No regrets. And, with tighter timings 8200 performs the same or better than 8400. So close there is no way to quantify a difference other than an AIDA64 memory benchmark and the difference is so small that the added hassle of tuning and higher voltage simply isn't worth caring about. Monumental waste of effort due to the absence of a tangible benefit in any workload scenario other than an AIDA64 benchmrk. I am sure it could go higher with the memory overclocking with more VCCSA, but even with the SA bug it runs better than most that don't have the SA bug. That's why I am running that CPU in the SFF system. Without water cooling for the memory there isn't any thermal headroom, which makes the SA bug irrelevant in practical application. 

Keeping everything in perspective, if you are getting 8000 or 8200 with under 1.200V VCCSA and are capped because of the bug, but the VID and Vcore needs are superior that is a way better CPU that one that is a VID pig that can run 8400, 8600 or 8800. I'd much rather have a strong core overclocker that doesn't crater itself under molten silicon due to insane voltage requirements.

I sure have had a nice time doing nothing today. Not ready to go back to the grind tomorrow. That old X79 setup with the Titan GPU does plenty of things "good enough" and I've wheeled it into the living room and hooked it up to the TV. Played some Modern Warfare and Crysis 3 Remastered today on it from the comfort of my recliner. I would never know it is averaging only 75 FPS instead of 175 FPS but for the OSD telling me so. For an "almost free" computer it's pretty awesome. I say "almost free" because I had to pay the postage and trade spare parts that I never had any intention of using. Close enough to free.

The only reason I get to do this is Mrs. Fox is away visiting her family. She would pitch a fit about me doing this if she were at home.

Crysis 3 Remasered - GtX Titan 1080p with medium settings...

I had not heard of this group before. Nice orchestral folk metal.

2 hours ago, Tenoroon said:

Crazy timing. I've had to wire a few of these exact fans up for my buddy's V8 swapped S10. How much better is this single fan compared to the many smaller fans? These fans can move A LOT of air, but they seem to be a bit noisy. At full speed, is it louder than the old setup?

At full speed, yes. Much louder. At low speed, not any louder. But, I had Arctic F12 wimpy wuss fans on the radiator. At max speed they were too slow (1800 RPM) to get loud. They were also weak and the cheapest name-brand fans money can buy. I would never buy them again, but they did a so-so job and lasted a very long time. 

At full speed a significant portion of the noise is generated by the massive amount of air (800 CFM) getting rammed through the radiator fins at high velocity.

I am possibly going to replace this with P12 Max fans in a week or two. Not because of being loud at full speed, which should be expected, but even at low speed the fan motor itself is audible. It is not the fan blades making noise chopping the air, but the actual motor itself makes a faint "whirring" sound almost like a gearbox of some sort. That sound is not very loud, but it is constant. The decision to keep it or replace it with P12 Max fans will depend on whether or not I become desensitized and stop noticing that sound over the next week or two, or if it grates on me and becomes annoying.

Below is what I posted at oc.net:

This was a cost experiment as much as functionality. Temps are the same as before and driven primarily by my high ambient temperatures and extremely low humidity in Phoenix (usually around 27°C (80°F) and often less than 10% RH). The low humidity is both a blessing and a curse. It makes ambient cooling less efficient due to no evaporative cooling effect. The positive effect is when I run my chiller there is no issue with condensation due to the absence of moisture in the air. ESD is also a danger with low humidity.

The 120mm fans were quite old (about 10 years of running 24/7) and worn out. Some were not spinning full speed and laggy in starting. Replacing them with a good low-cost fan, such as the P12 Max, would cost about $100 USD. This automotive fan was less than $30 and 800 CFM. With the controller and piece of plywood, screws, etc. the total cost was just under half the cost of buying new 120mm fans.

RioRand PWM DC Motor Speed Controller Switch Control 7-70V 30A Fuse (RRLSKJAASSSSSSS): Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific

RioRand PWM DC Motor Speed Controller Switch Control 7-70V 30A Fuse (RRLSKJAASSSSSSS): Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific

www.amazon.com

13 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

So, I procrastinated about doing this for months now. I finally just did it to get it over with. It actually works quite well. At the lowest speed it is quieter than the nine 120mm fans it replaced. When I dismantled the radiator to remove all of the 120mm fans, I used a thick foam weatherstrip to seal the 4 sides of the radiator against the housing so that the air being forced in could not escape anywhere except through the radiator. I have a window screen (with an aluminum frame) that I made. It is sandwiched between the plywood and radiator housing to catch dust and lint. I can take the fan off with the four thumb nuts to remove the screen for cleaning.

 

This was a cost experiment as much as functionality. Temps are the same as before and driven primarily by my high ambient temperatures and extremely low humidity in Phoenix (usually around 27°C (80°F) and often less than 10% RH). The low humidity is both a blessing and a curse. It makes ambient cooling less efficient due to no evaporative cooling effect. The positive effect is when I run my chiller there is no issue with condensation due to the absence of moisture in the air. ESD is also a danger with low humidity.
 

The 120mm fans were quite old (about 10 years of running 24/7) and worn out. Some were not spinning full speed and laggy in starting. Replacing them with a good low-cost fan, such as the P12 Max, would cost about $100 USD. This automotive fan was less than $30 and 800 CFM. With the controller and piece of plywood, screws, etc. the total cost was just under half the cost of buying new 120mm fans.

4 hours ago, tps3443 said:

This is taken inside my local Walmart in Dunn, North Carolina lol. 😂 They sale numerous popular PC parts, including a 14900K?!!! I knew the day was coming. 
 

Remember, that new nicely binned 11900K that I sold you came from Walmart.

So, I procrastinated about doing this for months now. I finally just did it to get it over with. It actually works quite well. At the lowest speed it is quieter than the nine 120mm fans it replaced. When I dismantled the radiator to remove all of the 120mm fans, I used a thick foam weatherstrip to seal the 4 sides of the radiator against the housing so that the air being forced in could not escape anywhere except through the radiator. I have a window screen (with an aluminum frame) that I made. It is sandwiched between the plywood and radiator housing to catch dust and lint. I can take the fan off with the four thumb nuts to remove the screen for cleaning.

17 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I will have to order some M2.5 x 11mm screws on Amazon. The M2.5 x 8MM were long enough to use everywhere else. I am temporarily using the 8MM screws around the core under the backplate instead of going through the back plate.

I got the screws. This is so much better with a nice backplate.

9 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Whew, that looks beautiful! I've thought about picking up an EVGA 3090ti for the wife's system just to round out that final homage to EVGA with the DG-77 case.

 

 

Thank you. I love it. When I saw this GPU for $799 on NewEgg I could not resist it. So much better than spending the same amount, or slightly more, on a 4070 Ti Super. Such a compromise. This is way better. They have more of them. I could not use my Corsair RAM fan with the EK 360 Direct Die AIO due to the fitting placement, so I decided I may as well set it on the backplate and blow cool air into the opening around the x-bracket. It actually dropped the temps a couple of degrees.

Speaking of beautiful and backplates, GPUs without a backplate are so stinking ugly. And, the naked PCB seems unsafe to me. All of those contacts, circuits and exposed SMDs. The Titan cards had no backplates, which was common in that era. Well, to fix that I found a new open box XSPC Titan backplate, complete with thermal pads and screws. Unfortunately, the screws included are the wrong size. They include M3 x 11MM and this GPU uses M2.5. I have the M2.5 screws up to 8MM and I need 11MM long for the fours screws around the core. But this looks WAY better than a naked PCB. I will have to order some M2.5 x 11mm screws on Amazon. The M2.5 x 8MM were long enough to use everywhere else. I am temporarily using the 8MM screws around the core under the backplate instead of going through the back plate.

The 3090 Ti FTW3 Black arrived. It is an EVGA refurbished and looks like brand new. Looks fantastic in the A21 case and runs nice.

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

All this below reminds me about Ryzen gaming chips..... You can't have it all!

Each time I see that picture it is more disgusting than the time before. Truly repulsive. All he needs is horns and a tail.

So, I put the Z790i Edge into a slightly larger case (ASUS A21). The 3090 Ti FTW3 should be delivered tomorrow. I put the Rampage IV Gene into the smaller AP201 that the Edge used to be in.

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

 

 

Hmmmm. @Mr. Fox Why continue with same CEO? Money?

 

An interesting sidenote pointed out by The Register is that CrowdStrike's current CEO, George Kurtz, was also CEO of McAFee during an infamous 2010 update that caused several PCs to be stuck in an endless boot loop. This likely makes George Kurtz the first CEO in history to preside over two major global PC outages caused by bad security software updates.

 

CrowdStrike issues go beyond Windows: company's security software has reportedly been causing Linux kernel panics since at least April

 

 

CrowdStrike CEO summoned to explain epic fail to US Homeland Security

Boss faces grilling over disastrous software snafu

 

 

Elon Musk bans CrowdStrike from his companies

Probably a case of incurable stupidity mingled with technical incompetence. Maybe further complicated if he is a loser by all measurements. Or, the leader of losers. Either way, the buck stops with the CEO. It was on his watch.

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

You think DDR4 3200 can run on this setup? I can’t even remember where they top out at honestly. But that already looks insanely impressive! That bandwidth/latency is very good for this system. 
 

Let’s drop the 4090 in there for a quick test! 😀

Thank you. Yes, I was also impressed. X79 motherboards do not support DDR4. DDR4 was not released until later (2014). I believe X99 was when DDR4 became a thing.

I checked my HWBOT submissions and the read speed was almost as fast as my DDR4-4600 dual channel speeds. Also worth noting, my wPrime benchmarks are almost as high as my 8700K HWBOT submissions. The temperatures are also impressive. I was expecting it to be much hotter than what it is getting with such a significant overclock.

Sadly, decoding above 4G and resizable bar are not supported. I was able to add the rebar module to the BIOS, but without the above 4G decoding rebar cannot work. So, I cannot use the Arc A770 on this because it requires rebar to function.

While I am not planning to drop the 4090 in it, I did buy a 3090 Ti FTW3. It will be here in a couple of days. This will allow me the ability to bench Windows 7 on my work PC. I do have the 2080 Ti Waterforce GPU, but this is not on a custom loop. That said, I am thinking about buyng a cheap radiator on AliExpress or eBay so I can use the 2080 Ti Waterforce. I already have a spare D5 pump/reservoir I can use to make my own GPU AIO.

https://hwbot.org/submission/5604008_

Here are a couple of lists for perspective. Considering the age of the CPU, which was released in Q2 2013, this is pretty darned impressive. Faster than what a lot of people, including many gamerboys, are still using today. 

The build quality of the Titan GPU is also impressive. It leaves A LOT to be desired in terms of performance (780 Ti era GPU), but the cooler alone weighs a ton. It has a vapor chamber, too. The guy I got it from said it was never repasted. I took it apart yesterday to replace pads and paste. The pads still look like new. Still very soft and sticky, so I left them alone. And the thermal paste was still good. Not dried out or anything. It basically looked like new after I removed the air cooling module. Considering it was released in Q1 of 2013, that's crazy to even think would be true.

https://hwbot.org/submission/5603947_

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Agree 100%. It is interesting that I (and others like me) have been looked upon unfavorably, even criticized sometimes by noobs that think they know everything, for selecting manual voltage and sync all cores as my overclocking SOP for years. I've done nothing different with LGA-1700 and have none of the problems the "gamers" are having now. In their infinite wisdom of doing massive undervolting with wild voltage swings and using algorithm-based (TVB) boosting they have created problems where none would have otherwise existed. Maybe I don't get 6.0 or 6.2GHz on two cores that bolsters e-peen, but I do get solid benchmark scores and a consistent experience. Maybe their observation is somewhat true that manual overclocking is dead now is, but so are their CPUs. PBO sucked for AMD and TVB sucks for Intel. Dumb is always dumb.

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Funny how much we think alike. Although worded differently, our thoughts posted essentially simultaneously, our expressions are the same underlying message.

 

Ryzen owners really should watch this video and apply the same process to overclocking. It really is the right way to overclock, regardless of brand. The preferred core boosting is a joke. The idea felt stupid to me all along.

On 7/21/2024 at 8:44 AM, Papusan said:

 

And here is the new modern. Delidded SP108