Mr. Fox

LOL. I saw this posted on Discord. 🤣

47 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

What is the volume size of that case? It kind of looks like the volume of an NR200MAX

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0C5LK9L62/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1

It is 33L. 8.7"D x 18.1"W x 13.7"H. For a SFF case it is unusually compelling in terms of capabilities that are usually totally absent or severely compromised. This actually makes it tolerable.

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• Optimized for Cooling: With support for 280 and 360mm radiators and up to six fans, the AP201 is primed to deal with the thermal onslaught of high-performance hardware.
• Industry-Leading Spatial Efficiency: Despite a 33L footprint, the AP201 supports ATX PSUs up to 180 mm long, graphics cards up to 338 mm long, custom liquid cooling, and various storage devices.

1 hour ago, Rage Set said:

Some of you don't know but I'm a huge Prepper.

All of us should be, even those of us that are not. We don't know when they will arrive, but darker days than we have already experienced are coming. The signs are there to see for anyone paying attention. Another four years like the last catastrophic four might be all it takes to cause the house of cards to fall. Unprecedented levels of ethical failure, moral decay, corruption and incompetent government, in the US and the world abroad. 

2 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Nice! I really wanted to snag one of those EK Direct Die kits. 

Thank you. I bought this used at overclock.net because the one I tried to order from EKWB kept getting pushed out and after waiting more than 2 months I got a refund and cancelled. This one does not have the original fans so I am probably going to move the three fans attached to the chassis to the AIO and move the AIO fans to the chassis. The Bykski fans that came with the AIO are not square, so there is air space around them to leak static pressure. I am not sure why the person I bought it from did not have the original fans. I like the Bykski fans otherwise and it is a shame they are not square so they can seal off against one another. This is yet another example of a popular but stupid trend that demonstrates the sheeple are focused on form over function. They have a nice remote to control lighting and fan speed manually, which is my preference over firmware or software controls. I do not use RGB headers on any of my motherboards because I don't want to have to install the cancer bloatware needed to use them. All lighting on my systems is managed with molex or SATA powered ARGB controllers with a remote control. It's pretty sweet adding manual fan speed control to that.

I was finally able to get the little munchkin on bare die. This reduced the core max 8 to 10°C over the already delidded CPU with a lapped core and IHS on liquid metal. I could see this being easily an 18 to 20°C improvement over a stock soldered IHS. There aren't many SFF systems capable of what this one is. Heck, it's better than most full-size builds, LoL. I am really impressed with what EKWB did here.

The statement "faster in gaming" being tossed around like it is some kind of magical thing makes me kind of sad. It is as if the whole world has lost sight of what is most important. But, alas, they have. In countless ways. But, limiting conversation to computers rather than generalizations about life in 2024, the measure of a CPU that is most important should be how it does at things that only a CPU can do, not have it behaves when used to play games. It feels like a cop out or a distraction to be focused on how a GPU-centric task like gaming responds to a CPU when "better" isn't anything genuinely earth-shattering.  If the 9950X does better at workloads only a CPU can do it will be the better CPU than a 7800X3D even if the 7800X3D gets a few more FPS.

1 hour ago, chew said:

 

here you go. WR single and multi mem scores......  3000 fclk

 

I'm to lazy to post all FM scores but feel free to search 8500g,8600g,8700g apu scores.....I own the entire suite of benchmarks minus ray tracing benches....i saw no point in a bench that the APU doesn't support feature.....

 

 

 

Congratulations.

13 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

 

That was a good video. It is my curse...storage. I am literally looking at 14 to 16TB drives for my new NAS builds. 

I thought of you as soon as I saw it because I know you are very interested in NAS builds and could probably relate to a time in the past that was like what he was going through. We all start out as a noob at everything in the beginning. I would be right where he was in the video, LOL. What I know about the things I know wouldn't be much help getting started as an ignorant noob.

I'm sure you're already familiar with his channel, but this guy has some interesting content relating to DIY NAS builds.

48 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

 

 

Kingpin was spot on. Msi prefer making gamer-boy toys nowadays. And they don't wan't spend any money on developing and make real oc cards. Thats the main reason MSI never went back with the  Lightning brand for the newer graphics cards. See my older post above (bolded text). They was also spot on. 

I love what you say because I agree with it, but the brutal reality of what you are saying is extremely sad and hard to find any forgiveness for them. It's like the foolish arguement that a good God would never send anyone to hell, but a good God gives us freedom to choose our destiny and provides us with a way to avoid going there. Anyone that ends up going to hell goes there as a matter of choice and it is a direct result of their stupidity and rejection of truth. The idiots producing trash tech damn themselves and their companies to manufacturer hell and have only themselves to blame for making really stupid decisions. I hope they enjoy the hot weather. They deserve it.

5 hours ago, Rage Set said:

KP is back....with PNY?!

 

 

 

So my next card will be a KP PNY 5090. Never thought I'd writing that. 

 

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Whoa..... never saw that coming! But I kind of like it because they're not really established in the premier/OC space at all and he wouldn't have to fight the culture change to his vision at say Asus or MSI.

 

"K|NGPYN" - I can see it now. 🙂

 

And if he is with PNY, my 5090 will be a PNY too.

 

 

Sweet! I guess my next GPU will be from PNY if it is a Kingpin. Awesome. ❤️

Very telling about ASUS and MSI not being interested. Sucks to be them, I guess. It is starting to show though, so I don't have a surprised look on my face. Gamer trash everywhere.

17 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Anyone ready to try the Cablemod clone?😁 Mint blue has to be better? And it's newer🤪

Their disclaimer says enough. Anyone willing to try it needs to have their head examined. The 12VHPWR connector is risky enough without any adapter involved. 

Cablemod certainly cannot be faulted for their attention to customer service. It was nice to see them offering assistance to the person needing to locate a GPU repair service even though they are no longer covering the cost. Their customer service has been exemplary in spite of the inherent design-driven form factor faults of the 12VHPWR adapters they recalled. 

What is puzzling to me is that person was not aware of the recall. I am not sure if I even believe them. But, the fact that they don't know of a place to get the GPU repaired does suggest they are not paying attention to anything. I mean, with all of the Chris Fix, Northridge Fix and Northwest Repair videios on YouTube, how could you not know unless you are just not very observant or aware of anything?

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

Oh AMD.....why?

 

*Downloads Party Animals* 🤣

I thought that was hilarious. Not as funny as Lisa Su or Frank Azor working there, but still funny. I've never heard of that "Party Animals" game before and it makes me very sad that anyone at AMD could actually think using that for benchmarks would be relevant. It suggests how out of touch hardware manufacturers are with what matters to the people that purchase their products. 

On 6/19/2024 at 6:57 AM, Papusan said:

Not sure I would want the new born tech Microsoft have bragged about the last months.

Knowing that the Redmond Reprobates are bragging about, promoting or endorsing anything makes me instantly want to distance myself from it. Other than crApple, they have to be the second-most ignorant, insane clown possee in the technology space. The stupid stuff they do to Windoze, and the frequency with which they do those stupid things, that cause each feature release to make it suck more than the version before it, has convinced me that they are worthless and there is no point in burning any calories hoping they will get better or become less stupid in time. I can't identify any companies I have less respect for than Micro$lop and crApple. It is a truly hopeless scenario whenever either one of them are involved in the process. You can just about bet money that if they are involved it is going to turn out pretty sucky.

30 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Upgradeable laptops is dead. This is the future... Peoplehave voted with their wallets. So more of the same mess we have seen the last 10 years. And Qualcomm themself say they will take over 50% of the market, so that's that. From worse to even more worse. Not so sure our old friend bro @Mr. Fox is willing to go back to laptops😁 And me.... No in hell.

 

 

 

 

Nope. Not me.

As a dog returns to his own vomit, So a fool repeats his folly. (Proverbs 26:11)

I don't care for the taste of puke. Never have. I've never tasted dung before but I would imagine that's the rough equivalent of the disgusting notion buying a Snapdragon powered turdbook. 

49 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

New is always better. Sure. Most of the MB manufacturers removed SLI support going  from Z690 over on Z790 motherboard/platform. So Z690 boads is better in all ways outside offer worse memory support. Sad seeing newer being worse. But that's the trend nowadays 😞 One step forwards then one or two steps backwards. 

And the "worse" memory support is not the chipset, it is the motherboard OEMs stopped giving any effort to Z690. There is no difference in memory overclocking support between Z690 and Z790, only a difference in motherboard OEM priorities. Or, maybe we should say the LACK of priorities. Z690 Dark was the perfect example of what Z690 can do if the people that sold it give a hoot about their customers. By most measurements it overclocks the memory as well as Z790 Apex and EVGA hasn't continued firmware development. Yet a Z690 Apex, which should have been recalled by ASUS for being a defective product, sucked like a 4-DIMM motherboard at memory overclocking.

The one thing we can count on with ASUS is that they never do the right thing for their customers.

49 minutes ago, Papusan said:

And the plain stupid idea welding the M.2 gen 5 slot on top of the graphics card on a Intel platform for gaming/OC boards (Z790) is just another symptom for stupid decisions by idiotic engineers. 

Yup, absolutely correct. Complete idiots. They should be fired for their stupidity and incompetence.

5 hours ago, Clamibot said:

 

This is where Optane really shines. It's significantly faster than Gen 5 drives in anything other than large file transfers. Basically it's better in everything that really matters for everyday usage. I got my 905P for work related stuff and use it as a boot drive, but I figured I'd try loading games from it as well since I already have the drive. Games load significantly faster if I launch them from the 905P.

 

So if you want a real speed upgrade and don't want to wait a few more gens for drive manufacturers to drastically increase random read/write speeds, get an Optane drive while you can.

Optane support was removed in Z790. In fact, that is the primary difference between Z690 and Z790. Nothing was done other than repurposing the PCIe lanes that were used by Optane. And, it created something new for Intel partners to sell to motherboard shoppers. New is always newer, and when people feel compelled to have something newer, you need to have something new to sell them. Z790 also gave dishonest losers like ASUS the chance to fix their screwed up Z690 messes without having to admit that they botched things up with Z690, or incur any costs or accountability for fixing their screw-ups. Meanwhile, MSI and EVGA were doing great things with the Z690 platform.

Viva la machine.

44 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I always thought our best Gen3 and Gen4 drives today are not all that great. They sell us on some write-speeds that are not realistic. Maybe realistic for transferring a large single file type like a video. But using these drives for real world stuff, like extracting files, extracting apps made up of hundreds of different tiny file types, transferring large game files from one Gen4 to another Gen4 is very slow and tedious. 

One good example of this would be downloading and extracting R24. It is very slow even on a 2TB Gen 4 drive. This becomes even worse when transferring large games that are 10-20GB or maybe even 200GB made up from thousands of tiny files. I think we need better/faster than this. I can download the file in 10 seconds but wait 10 minutes to extract it lol. And it's a fairly smaller file 1.3GB in size. 




Now I am kind of curious how a Gen5 M.2 would handle the R24 extraction process. 🙂

I am reasonably certain it would be better. Thankfully, doing that sort of thing doesn't represent most of what we do, most of the time. If it did, even Gen5 would be too slow. I have three Gen5 2TB NVMe SSDs but I am using all of them as Gen3 and Gen4 because I don't want to gimp my PCIe x16 bandwidth. I did test that and there was a pretty small but still measurable difference in 3DMark scores with the Gen5 NVMe knee-capping the GPU. Small enough that I doubt it would be noticeable in gaming. In the same way the Gen5 speed capacity increase wouldn't be noticeable in normal use.

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

So is waterchilling an M.2 maybe becoming a useful thing now? 🤣 

 

I’ll probably keep this Apex and 14900KS for a while. So I will swap to Gen5 M.2’s when I have a Gen5 PCIe supported graphics card. Our motherboards have Gen5 PCI-e support. But using a Gen5 M.2 will only let our GPU’s run at X8 lanes. I think X8 Gen 5 would be satisfactory. 

Just my two cents worth... I think the benefit of Gen5 storage speeds is questionable and not worth the extra heat it creates, or even the added purchase cost for it being "new and special" Gen5, unless it is a hobby to run repeated SSD benchmarks that shorten the life of the SSD you are repeatedly benching. The faster Gen5 data transfer speeds are going to be totally worthless to most computer users and do nothing to improve their experience compared to Gen4 or even Gen3. Even SATA SSD is fast enough that normal daily use is not remarkably different than Gen3 NVMe.

I appreciate the M.2 form factor primarily because 2.5-inch SATA SSDs are essentially a hollow box that wastes a lot space on a form factor that is not necessary to accomodate the small parts inside of the mostly empty box. SATA SSDs could be reduced in size to the point that two or three M.2 SATA SSDs could fit in the space occuppied by one 2.5-inch SATA SSD.

This might be helpful to others. Worked for me.

The second Dell Precision 7720 that I purchased for my wife (identical to mine, but with 4K display) had the latest cancer filth applied. Overclocking was blocked and voltage control locked. I used this technique to take control and downgrade the BIOS to the last version where these controls were not locked down. Basically extracted all of the BIOS components and made a "cocktail" of files that lied to the BIOS about what firmware version was being flashed. I was able to downgrade the ME firmware several versions as well, but not all the way back to the 2019 branch. 

So, that Dell Precision 7720 that I purchased for my wife had the latest cancer filth applied. Overclocking blocked and voltage control locked. I used this technique to take control and downgrade the BIOS to the last version where these controls were not locked down. Basically extracted all of the BIOS components and made a "cocktail" of files that lied to the BIOS about what firmware version was being flashed. I was able to downgrade the ME firmware several versions as well, but not all the way back to the 2019 branch. 

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

The gamer boys and girls have voted with their wallet. They want small, thin, fancy colored and slimy. The modern tech trend roll faster and faster. It is only a matter of time before the rest of the worlds tech companies adopts this trend. The coming 5000 series cards will be smaller as well. Be you sure. Cute has to be todays word

Yup, that's how it goes now. 😟😑 These are especially attractive to former console jockeys that want to spend the same as a console and have something better.

They don't know any better. They don't know what they don't know. And, it IS BETTER than a console. 😑 That's not saying much. Now, that said, yes, I'd spend $500 on this before I would consider paying $500 for a console. That doesn't mean it is awesome, but it doesn't suck as bad as a console. These people also play games with their smartphones and handheld garbage devices. For them this is an upgrade. For us it is a downgrade and an insult.

A bigger desk turd with discrete GPU instead of APU... but, far too expensive when compared to the turd above with an APU. Cost almost twice as much, but you do not get twice as much.

4 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

A lot have been better if the younger gen computer users have stopped use much of the trash out there. Buy less trash.... Use less trash. Tech companies can't throw out trash if no one buy or use it.

Unfortunately, I think they lack the ability to discern the difference between good and bad. Those sad creatures have only known rubbish and most have been brainwashed to the point of becoming perma-stupid. It affects all areas of life. Tech is just the tip of their feces iceberg.

2 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

I wish the younger gen was smarter. But it goes the wrong way. Being stupid or cluesless is an modern trend. You get what you ask for.

 

Kevin and Daniel seem to be smarter than normal, like us. We are a dying breed. The stupidity that has become normal still affects us all. There is no place to step that isn't soiled with their poop, so the best you can hope for is that it only contaminates the soles of your shoes.

10 minutes ago, Papusan said:

The Real Problem With Recall Microsoft: People Don't Trust Microsoft

 

If people trust Microsoft they are idiots. And if they trust any tech company they are equal idiots as well. @Mr. Fox Enjoy

 

While I’m talking about Microsoft here, the reality is that many people don’t trust tech companies in general. That's spot on. And not a understatement. You can't have trust in greed and stupidity.

 

Very true. Also very accurate that it is a problem that reflects the industry as a whole. Not just the Redmond Mafia.

4 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

💯 you can't and shouldn't trust any tech company to do the right thing(s) for the people that purchase and/or use their products. The only thing you can trust about them is that they will do what is best for them, even when it makes their products and services less desirable, and even when it is harmful to the users of those products. They are self-absorbed scum that feel a sense of entitlement and prey on the stupidity of consumers.

11 minutes ago, Papusan said:

The Real Problem With Recall Microsoft: People Don't Trust Microsoft

 

If people trust Microsoft they are idiots. And if they trust any tech company they are equal idiots as well. @Mr. Fox Enjoy

 

While I’m talking about Microsoft here, the reality is that many people don’t trust tech companies in general. That's spot on. And not a understatement. You can't have trust in greed and stupidity.

 

 

💯 you can't and shouldn't trust any tech company to do the right thing(s) for the people that purchase and/or use their products. The only thing you can trust about them is that they will do what is best for them, even when it makes their products and services less desirable, and even when it is harmful to the users of those products. They are self-absorbed scum that feel a sense of entitlement and prey on the stupidity of consumers.