Mr. Fox

I think it depends on a lot of things, including the CPU microcode and Intel ME firmware. Increasing BCLK has the same effect as increasing core ratio, plus other less desirable side effects because doing that overclocks other things that are not normally overclocked. And, increasing voltage is necessary to handle the higher frequencies. BCLK is more limited on CPUs with integrated graphics. I don't remember the exact number now, but I think it is something like 102.7 is the hard limit on modern processors with integrated graphics, because the graphics part of the chip can't deal with higher BCLK.

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100%... Heat increases the need for voltage and adding voltage creates more heat. It becomes a vicious circle. That is why ambient cooling with air or water becomes an impediment sooner. You will eventually hit a wall even with extreme cooling, but that wall is further away.

One of the hardest things to grasp for people that are used to struggling with laptop overclocking when they abandon them and move to desktops is the effect of temperatures. They are so accustomed to everything being a pain in the ass and anything under 90-95°C being viewed as "good" the idea that 50-60°C can actually be "too hot" for anything more than modest overclocking is kind of baffling. I know it was for me at first. A lot changed over the years when I was a laptop jockey. At the time I originally moved from desktops to laptops the concept of PC water cooling was an extremely rare novelty that was insanely expensively and required a degree of custom fabrication or adaptation of parts that were not originally intended for water cooling a computer. Prefabricated components were few and far between and AIOs and water cooling kits, fancy fittings, pumps and reservoirs we're not even invented yet. The first components in the early days were generally limited to water blocks and radiators, and they were crazy expensive novelty items.

Price: $225.00 Condition: Excellent Warranty: None Reason for sale: No longer needed Payment: PayPal or Zelle Item location: San Tan Valley, AZ Shipping: Economy USPS or UPS Ground Included (lower 48 states only) will be included with an asking price sale International shipping: Maybe. Depends on the buyer and their reputation in this community. Will definitely consider it, but all associated costs with international shipping, import duties, VAT, etc. will be paid by purchaser Handling time: Next Business Day Feedback: eBay Profile; OC.net MarketPlace Specification: This was my wife's laptop. She babied it and it is borderline immaculate. It has minimum evidence of normal use. I gave her my Eluktronics Mech 15 as an upgrade and this never gets used. No nasty scratches, dents or cracks... really gorgeous machine. It has a metal chassis and it is built like a tank, but still thin and light by a sane person's standards. Intel i5 CPU, NVIDIA GeForce GT 630M GPU. 16GB of RAM, 500GB OS SSD and 750GB DATA drive, slot loading DVD-RW, Bluetooth, Wireless AC, backlit keyboard and 1920x1080 Gorilla Glass display. Battery is good, takes a full charge. Comes with Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC, Microsoft Office Pro LTSC 2021 and Malwarebytes Premium Lifetime license.

Congrats on the tuning. You are doing a great job, bro. For daily use I would go with something on the verge of extreme, extremely good but not brutal. If your cooler is up to it, you should be able to run that chip 24/7 at 5.3GHz all core, no AVX offset, static voltage at around 1.350-1.375V with high LLC to stop vdroop nonsense and pass a Cinebench run, or 5.4GHz with about 1.420-1.430V. As we chatted about, there is going to be some variance between mobos, but both of those options were 100% stable with the Z490 Dark. On the hotter summer days where I could not keep my office ambient temps cool enough I went with 5.3GHz.

It actually worked about the same as the products der8auer compared it to. There was little very difference in temps. I don't think there is anything that works as well as a custom loop with strong pumps and properly engineered water blocks. It is huge and I expected it would have been better than the other air cooler and small AIO, so the fact that it wasn't is kind of sad. Those are both mistakes that I am not likely to make. Although, there is a greater chance that I would buy an Intel GPU than there is that I would give Ryzen trash another chance. If they lock down their next gen garbage CPUs, then it's not even open for consideration in passing. Like a snowball's chance in hell... zero. I would almost go as far as saying wasting money on a chintzy turdbook would be more likely. At least then you step into it knowing full well that you are spending your money on a POS that is going to suck before you even open the box.

I am not aware of any reason it would be more unsafe than any other direct die setup except for the possibility of condensation, which you would need to guard against with LN2, DICE, phase change, or even chilled water if you are in a humid climate. You would want to insulate the CPU/socket to prevent condensation from forming and causing an electrical short, but the contact itself would not be harmful. The CPU die is not electrified and is in direct contact with metal or liquid metal at all times during normal use. Direct die cooling is not dangerous. The IHS provides a level of protection, but whether that protection is actually necessary is open to debate. In my opinion it is only dangerous if a person is reckless and does something that causes physical damage to the die. It is worth noting that all laptops CPUs and GPUs use direct die cooling.

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That is just messed up. I am sorry that is happening. There is no good excuse for it. It is equally wrong to charge sales tax or income tax on the sale of used items where sales tax was already paid when the item was originally purchased and the item is sold for less than the original purchase price. That is double-taxation and being taxed on your loss, not your income. That kind of behavior is a dead giveaway that the government-sponsored organized crime ring that enjoys molesting their citizens is being run by corrupt, unscrupulous and hopelessly evil bastards. But, the label on the outside of the box still cracks me up. How blatantly and deliberately misrepresented... 16 copies of "The Adventure Challenge Couples Book" LOL. And, the customs people are too stupid to use an x-ray machine or shake the box to hear how it sounds? (Maybe a safe assumption there.) I'm pretty sure it wouldn't sound like a box of books if you jiggled it.

LOL... the label on that box to avoid VAT and duties. Prison anyone? 😄 Not sure if that is a felony in the countries that have those Nazi tax schemes or not.

Not that the reviews are totally reliable, but probably no less reliable than YouTube reviewers. Those who purchased it and used it on smaller CPUs seem to be very satisfied with it and some even said it worked better than an AIO cooler it replaced. It doesn't matter that much to me since I have no interest in air cooling whatsoever, but I thought the concept was quite interesting, and it seemed like something that could be more effective than the typical tower air cooler.

Too bad it is not engineered correctly. It could have been a good option for the people that like air cooling, have a lot of available space in their case and short memory modules. I have not watched the video yet. Did Roman figure out why it does not work correctly for Intel CPUs? That seems like a strange condition. (I will watch the video later to see what he revealed.)

Brother @Reciever I know you like using air cooling. Are you familiar with the IceGiant ProSiphon Elite CPU cooler? I stumbled onto that product by accident the other day and it seemed like an interesting concept that would likely work better than most other air cooling options, and maybe even better than some common AIO water cooling units.

I am really leaning toward purchasing products at the threshold of their EOL cycle, too. Everything is overpriced and offers poor value based on price until it is on the verge of becoming obsolete and priced for clearance of stock. It's no secret that EVGA is my favorite brand, and I have never been as pleased with competing motherboards as I have been with their Dark series. To put it bluntly, they have no match. I used to prefer ASUS firmware, but after owning multiple Dark motherboards I no longer think so. The EVGA UEFI interface makes a lot more sense and eliminates menu items for settings that I view as unimportant. A lot of what I disable or enable in the BIOS is set that way by default by EVGA. The Classified seems like an excellent motherboard, but I am also reluctant to consider it due to the 4-DIMM design. Even when you are only using two sticks of memory, the additional slots and longer traces diminish overclocking headroom and impair stability compared to a 2-DIMM design.

I am definitely going to keep an eye open for EK to release that. I already have that water block (with the normal cold plate) on the 12900K in Banshee and it is excellent. I had read where they were working on a bare die kit, but had not seen any photos of it. Now I am more excited about it.

Yes, it is extremely discouraging that there is so much variance, and the fact that even some Kingpin cards have garbage bin quality is demoralizing and feels like a scam. It applies to both GPU core and VRAM. You can get a GPU that the core sucks and the memory rocks (like mine) or a great core and sucky memory, both excellent or both garbage. It is terribly discouraging and one of the reasons you almost never see me running benchmarks anymore. Knowledge and skill don't matter when you get shitty products in the GPU lottery. Brother @johnksss got blessed with a golden KPE sample to the extent that the tragic mishap actually ended up being a random stroke of good fortune. It used to be that you could simply give a GPU with lower ASIC more voltage and it would overclock the same as a GPU with much better ASIC. As long as you could keep it cool enough with the higher voltage, the ASIC really did not matter that much and you couldn't really find a difference in the max overclock ceiling until you exhausted the available voltage and passed through the veil into extreme sub-zero sanctuary. That was true to the extent that I didn't really care what the ASIC was because GPUs overclocked in the same way that CPUs do... just give it whatever extra voltage it needed and everything was fine. Then the Green Goblin developed their dark witchcraft and depraved fetish for sodomizing customers in more brutal ways by introducing firmware that no longer allows the silicon lottery losers to level the playing field with more voltage. They began stacking the cards with Falcon security and hulk-signed firmware with the introduction of Maxwell. The rules have been broken and the game rigged with loaded dice. Winning today is a matter of predestination and generally reserved for those appointed to divine favor. Once you draw a short straw in the modern-day lottery you are sentenced to a cursed existence and permanently doomed to failure due to their AIDS-infected firmware cancer algorithms. No amount of lubricant will be enough to avoid a hemorrhaging and fissured posterior orifice thanks to their virus firmware deployment. But, it is important to note that they don't charge any less for their rubbish silicon samples. You enjoy the privilege of paying the same price for their garbage.

In that case you may want to consider one of the bare die frames that I am selling. These are listed here for $35 + $5 shipping. They are listed on eBay for $55. FS: RockitCool Bare Die Frames - Intel 10th Gen and Intel 11th Gen Running bare die will facilitate better temperatures and higher overclocks. Sometimes you have to fuss with the mounting to get the water block to sit level on the die, but once you get that situated there is no more effective way to lower CPU temperatures on ambient water. Short of more expensive artificial cooling like chilled water, extreme measures like LN2 or DICE there is not a more effective cooling mod. As soon as I can find a reliable way to go bare die on 12th Gen I will do so without hesitation. It was a bummer that the Supercool Computer 12th Gen bare die block performed poorly. I think it was rushed using past logic and could have been excellent had enough effort been given to the jet plate design. There were not enough fins in the stack. They were too thick and had too much space between them. I really dislike having an IHS. It is an impediment that serves no useful purpose that I can identify.

Yes, the X170 motherboard is definitely a limiting factor. And, so is temperature. I have run benchmarks with the CPU at 5.6GHz all core on chilled water.

Some of the anti-AMD vs anti-Intel comments relating to this article are very funny. Fanboys will be fanboys, LOL. I suspect many of them are just repeating what their friends told them, who are also repeating what their friends friends told them. https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-3d-v-cache-cpu-runs-cooler-after-being-delidded/ I don't have an issue with people that don't care about overclocking. Some people still believe there is something immoral or inherently "dangerous" or "evil" about it and refuse to do it because of their strange misunderstanding about things. Even some so-called computer experts still think that way. Some don't care as long as the game plays well enough because they are gamers, not overclocking enthusiasts. That's all that matters for them and I am totally OK with that. I do have a problem with the product and the maker of it though. Taking a CPU with special performance-enhancing features and cutting off its man parts to eliminate the ability to overclock it is unacceptable. I question the motives and integrity of a company that intentionally plays to the interests of gamers by selling them something crippled just because they can get away with it. I do realize the people that buy it don't care, or they haven't researched things enough to know that they might care later when they discover that issue, but that doesn't change my animosity toward that behavior by the company that produced it. That's the same kind of Nazi crap most folks have grown numb to and are willing to tolerate with castrated turdbooks. "A little bit of leaven..." It clears a path to an expansion of the nonsense like the tragedy that has occurred with laptops. Water, water everywhere, nor any drop to drink.

I think it would work fine for CPU retention using the same screws as the ILM, except for the fact you would have to do something with the air gap between the die and heat sink cold plate that would occur with the IHS removed. You can't pull it down to the die because of the part of the cold plate than needs to make contact with the VRM components. If you to fill that gap with a small vapor chamber soldered to the part of the cold plate that normally contacts the IHS, that might work. It would definitely be an exploratory and experimental project due to the geometric complications with the design of the stock heat sink.

I am puzzled that anyone would deliberately build a new system with that castrated "gamer" CPU. The brain-numbing effect of compromise that a market flooded with emasculated BGA notebook filth for 6 to 8 years has really taken its toll on common sense. There has always been an elevated level of cognitive deficit among the sheeple, but the herd appears to have been overwhelmed by a pandemic of stupidity.

Very good message on this one. Not really political as much as simply pointing out how things should be and normally would be when a political agenda isn't being a destructive distraction. In that aspect it is more like a celebration of normalcy and actually anti-political.

Love the "case" but the price makes ludicrous seem like an understatement. The price is so beyond sinfully retarded that I find it impossible to find anything nice to say other than I love how it looks. Lots of vulgar expletives come to mind though. Nice thermal enhancement for sure. Most likely. If it is a recent release and/or a fully updated version of Windoze then performance is going to be extremely erratic and stunted. There is so much random trash wasting CPU clock cycles that it is a small wonder it is even bootable because the system is drowning in its own vomit. The difference in performance between my unmolested version of LTSC 2019 and my crash dummy OS makes it seem like a different computer when I boot the OS filled with autonomously transmitted STDs. Using ESO to tranquilize the virus payload helps, but it doesn't result in a cure.