Mr. Fox

Saying that the 200-series P cores perform better than 14900K and Ryzen when HT/SMT is disabled is specious and totally ignores the reality that those CPUs include a valuable feature that Arrow Lake does not. Most users do not disable features that enhance performance, so the comparison is illogical. Here is a metaphorical example of similar logic: If you disconnect two of the spark plug wires on your V8 motor my V6 will beat it in a drag race. Plus, my V6 gets better gas mileage, so that makes my car faster and more efficient than your car.

Bad leaders erroneously equate the implementation of change as being a measurement of success. Good and effective leaders recognize that blocking change for the sake of change is one of the reasons their job exists and they should only be an agent of change when the virtues are easily quantified, the need for it is validated and the reasons communicated clearly to everyone affected. Before implementing change, they also proactively identify any resistance to change, embrace the expressions of resistance and seek to understand them, and pursue solutions whenever impasse is encountered. The stupidity problem originates at the highest levels of leadership and the metastasis begins at the head.

The sad part is some of the limitations are unnecessary and self-imposed based on preconceived ideas and the potential that ideas and initiatives that fail will be harmful to the careers of key empire-building members of one or more self-anointed brain trusts. This is what made turdbooks objects of contempt and worthy of ridicule. A segment of consumers and industry decision-makers decided that the rest of the world needed to submit and fall in line with the notion that thinner and lighter and long battery life are the only things that matter, to the exclusion of everything else. No other options are necessary, and the needs, preferences and desires of those who differ are irrelevant.

The computer technology space is so overrun by idiots in positions involving decision-making that it is a wonder things are not more screwed up than they already are. It's not going to get better. They are not getting any smarter. In fact, quite the opposite is true... dumb and dumber, with more dumbness on the way.

Change purely for the sake of change is beneath stupidity. It wasn't broke, but they "fixed it" and now it's broken. Predictable. New is always better newer. Innovation without results is worthless. If the results targeted are not the results that consumers purchasing your products want, that reflects ignorance of your target market. Disregarding what your target market wants is arrogance. If we wanted stupidity, worthless innovation, arrogance and ignorance we could buy Apple products. But hey, those shiny piano black G.SKILL memory sticks with no RGB rainbow puke sure do look nice. Shiny doesn't fix hiney.

We still need a vomiting emoji for the rep button, exactly for times like this.

That is what I would expect, and it would not be a concern. I already see that and it is not a concern. What does concern me is Intel, AMD and YouTube reviewers burning calories on something that should not matter to any of them. Intel should let turdbooks be turdbooks. We expect them all to suck, and they do.

It seems like new product releases challenged Intel as much as it did AMD this time around. These guys need to stop counting on fanboys that believe newer is always better. While the compute performance of the 285K is truly amazing, it is underwhelming and underbuilt at everything else. It's 8 threads short of a full load and the 25% reduction in thread count makes it a failure on face value. All it does is highlight how much was given up by giving up 8 threads for no valid reason and begs the question of how much better it might have been had they not lowered the bar so dramatically on thread count. Accordingly, it should have been priced at 25% less.

The performance PC space really is a great big bucket of dung at this point. Lots and lots of reasons to be very unhappy about almost everything and furious about a few things. I do not find any nice things to say, only contemptuous thoughts reflecting malice and wishes of great misfortune upon all of the companies involved at the core components level.

It is nice that the vast majority of people in the world are drinking the Winduhz 11 Kool-Aid. Oh, wait. They're not. Desktop Windows Version Market Share Worldwide | Statcounter Global Stats This graph shows the market share of desktop windows versions worldwide based on over 5 billion monthly page views. gs.statcounter.com

I played some Unreal Tournament last weekend and was very disappointed my framerate was capped at 1,000 FPS with maxed out settings.

If and when there is a need to find out it will be interesting to see how well they overclock and if they will be able to handle the abuse, or prone to sudden and catastrophic failure. I know very little about it and don't have any interest at the current time simply because there is no need for me to. I don't know if everything x86 software-wise functions or if you would need to start from ground zero there. One of the things holding Linux back is the lack of familiar and useful software everyone is comfortable using and want to continue using. The fact that Linux is better operating system doesn't help it in terms of universal acceptance for that reason more than any other probably. In much the same way, many crApple users continue using inferior products merely because they are infatuated with the software ecosystem. Most people do not embrace change, and more often than not change occurs purely for the sake of change (or to enhance profit, or to enable a product development group to fabricate a justification their existence,) and not because change is actually needed or because anything of meaningful value is actually being offered to end users.

I doubt that I would find the outcome to be personally acceptable or satisfying. I suspect I would find what they produce to be unacceptable as an overclocking enthusiast. To me personally, that is the only element of technology that matters and I don't care about advances in mobile computing device capabilities, IoT or intelligent electronics, AI, etc. It would mean the death of what matters to me and others that share my interests because they don't know or care about things that I know and care about and they are primarily focused on things that do not matter to me. While it is true the world doesn't revolve around what we want, we also don't have to care about what the normies want and self-serving interests are always front and center for all parties involved.

Sometimes it is better to swallow it all in one bite and get it over with. One small bite at a time is just too miserable and demoralizing. Like death by 1,000 papercuts. Better to just rip off the band-aid and move on.

One less maker of pathetic mobile e-waste would be a good thing. Then maybe we will get even luckier and right after Qualcomm goes out of business, Arm will follow. Our world would be a better place without their rubbish.

Maybe that will help rid us of one of the companies responsible for producing pathetic mobile rubbish. I would love to see a bunch of that kind of garbage going belly up with the snap of a finger... here today, gone tomorrow.

I guess we will all soon find out together as our friends start receiving their new toys.

I don't know if this is stock or what, but it's not a high clock and looks very hot. Way too much voltage for only 5.5GHz. Memory is only clocked at an unimpressive 7200 (4-DIMM mobo). Hopefully this is just a very bad example of what to expect and not representative of normal. https://hwbot.org/submission/5670831_shasho_cinebench___r23_multi_core_with_benchmate_core_ultra_9_285k_42286_cb#media

It seems like ASRock is staying current with firmware updates, even for older boards. They have BIOS updates for this Z690 board released in the last month or so. But, as long as everything functions correctly no firmware updates matter as they are not needed. And, I like the ASRock BIOS layout. It makes good sense and everything is easy to find. I also like that ASRock does not bundle Intel ME cancer in the BIOS as a trojan like ASSzues does. You have to flash it separately and if you don't want it you do not have to. There is never a need to update Intel ME. In fact, the actual need is for a BIOS menu option to disable it because it serves no useful purpose. I agree. I do not trust any technology manufacturers. I am not wild about MSI or Gigabyte, but I think they are no worse than ASUS. All of them are untrustworthy, almost as undeserving of trust or admiration as the imbeciles at Micro$lop and crApple. Those two scummy outfits set the standard for suckiness. That is awesome. Newer is better. That is clearly better than anything new.

It will be interesting to see how frequently that malfunctions.

LoL. I thought @Papusanwas joking about this, but I guess he was not.

Once you install the GPU if it is removed for any reason the warranty is voided.

Why the blackout on the IHS in the photo? Just curious. Does the top PCIe x16 slot no longer have an easy-release button for the GPU latch? Or, did they move it to an obscure location? I did not see that in the motherboard photograph.

I think any time something is marketed as a "gaming" [insert item here] it is secret code for probably sucky at everything else. I've never played games while simultaneously doing something else before, but I know not everyone does things the same way. I wouldn't even try to do that because I would feel like I was losing my marbles if I did. I can't walk at chew gum at the same time, but I excel at doing one or the other.

The new Core Ultra 9 285K could have been better in a lot of ways, and it is pretty clear we agree on that. I am sure there are going to be caveats and strings attached that we don't know about yet. That being said, how is having a higher score with 8 fewer threads to handle the workload a bad thing? Setting aside how much better it could have been had they not eliminated hyperthreading, this is a substantially higher Cinebench score compared to a 14900K/KF/KS with a significant overclock at much higher voltage, power draw and heat production. It looks like it is probably going to beat Gen 13 and 14 CPUs and the latest and greatest Ryzen flagship. While we still have things to complain about, is that not a win on face value? Hitting 46K with a nicely binned 14900KF/KS requires a severe overclocks and abnormally excellent cooling with sub-ambient temperatures.