Mr. Fox

That's weird I never saw your post until @jaybee83 quoted it. How the heck you doing brother? Where you been hiding? I hope life has been treating you kind and that everything is well with you.

It is just still so absurdly expensive, even at this unheard of low price. With tax and shipping it comes in at $2550. As much as I would like having a 5090 I am having a really difficult time rationalizing the intelligence of buying one. It's unlikely it will put me in a winner's circle with overclocking among other 5090 owners. Maybe the top 20. I know I will not be happy for very long running it on air because I have never liked any air cooled GPU, so I would end up spending another $200 putting a water block on it. And, before it's even broken in there will be something more powerful to replace it. It is both very tempting and extremely repulsive at the same time. I haven't found a way to convince myself it is actually worth $2550 on air or $2700 on chilled water. It's possible that my foolish fetish for new hardware toys will cause me to lose objectivity and waste money on one, but at this very moment the level-headed side of me is saying no to the idea. The 5080 is priced right, but it is clearly a performance downgrade from 4090 from just about any angle. From an overclocking perspect I would gain almost nothing. The highest 5080 3DMark Time Spy score is substantially lower than my personal best with 4090 on chilled water, so the most I could hope for is a tiny boost in hardware points for benching a piece of hardware that I haven't benched before. In terms of points I would gain the same running it stock as I would overclocking it because my highest scores would fall short of my 4090 submissions. It would be impossible to match, must less beat, my 4090 scores and I would get zero points for the actual benchmark scores. If gaming were something I was super into and still passionate about, then a 5080 would be a smart buy and a respectable value if I didn't already own a 4090. The 5080 is "almost 4090" performance at a much lower price. I've tried to reignite the passion I once had for gaming and it just doesn't get me excited like it did a decade ago. The thrill of overclocked benching diminished my interest in gaming and it doesn't deliver the same level of pleasure that it once did. https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/40813006/spy/53314185#

Maybe they have decided to do that so that people that only buy the cheapest GPU will be forced to pay for the more expensive models rather than have their desktop GPU emasculated like a chintzy turdbook.

I was right on the verge of grabbing that. Literally added it to my cart, but I paused and wondered how I would actually benefit from owning it and I am struggling to identify how I actually might. It is hard to avoid an impulse buy as a hardware junky sometimes. I'm still thinking about it and still looking for a legitimate logical reason to justify it. So far, coming up with nothing. If I lose the argument with myself, my granddaughters will inherit the 9070 XT as an upgrade to the Strix 1080 I put in their machine. Sounds like a great deal for them and a pretty big waste of money for me. 🤣 The terrible job is much bigger than any of us knew and there are lots of huge messes that are being worked on. These are not things that happened recently, just the turds floating to the surface. It has been going on for a long time. The only things new are unsettling revelations and accountability that has never been present. The resistance is pretty massive and it is making some people holding positions of power very uneasy. As it should. But, there has to be due process. Although I sometimes wish we could, you can't just swoop in like a vigilante and start lopping off heads even when it is deserved. That's how they do things in places like Iran, China, North Korea, Cuba, Russia and South America. This is just one example. There is definitely more going on than we know about because the mainstream press only reports on what they think will make their side of the spectrum look favorable to their shrinking echo chamber. Anything that is favorable to the opposing side is ignored, distorted or completely misreported. There are lots of investigations going on right now and every day something nefarious is being revealed that is verifiable, but never mentioned in the mainstream woke press. There is a lot of nasty sewage in the swamp. It took about a century to fill it up and it won't get drained overnight. It may never get completely drained. More is happening than we know in lots of areas, but this issue probably isn't near the top of the list of priorities. But, contrary to what is getting put out there by the mainstream, great things are happening. Just not great for them. All of the things they misrepresented as fact are proving to be falsehoods and deep state conspiracies, at an alarming rate. So this tech stuff, while undeniably important, takes a back seat. Bigger fish need to be fried before they shift their focus to the technology treason taking place.

@Papusan this company has been fined by the US Department of Justic for selling tech to China. Cadence Design Systems Agrees to Plead Guilty and Pay Over $140 Million for Unlawfully Exporting Semiconductor Design Tools to a Restricted PRC Military University From 5:11

I can understand the reluctance because people become conditioned to use certain pieces of software and the idea of not being able to use it doesn't set well with many. I think it's seldom because they like the operating system. More often than not they don't want to have to change how they do everything. Linux operating systems such as Zorin, Mint and any distro using KDE Plasma desktop environment make it easier than ever to switch. They are sleek, elegant and performant and the GUI so closely resembles a Windows environment that's the only thing left to figure out is what software you're going to use. Gaming isn't a reason to hold back for those that are absorbed with that hobby. Windows runs flawlessly on a virtual machine if there are Windows-only applications that a person is required to use for a business or they are emotionally attached to certain applications. While it wouldn't be great for gaming, a Windows virtual machine runs so well and performs so great under most scenarios that you can't even tell you are using a virtual machine. But for the necessity that I use PowerBI and Excel pivot tables for work there would be no reason for me to run a Windows virtual machine, as I never launch it except when I need to, and that is only a couple of times each week

I have a couple of Glotrends PA20 that work great, but my favorite is this model. I have two installed in the X870E AORUS Master and one in the X870E-E Strix (because it only supports one). https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0BRYQH443?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

Investors always seem smart until reality proves them stupid. First it was the dot com frenzy, then more recently the idiot craze in real estate investing. And then the crypto-nut clown posse showed up. All ended in people that seemed smart on the surface winding up broke and looking like fools. I just hope NVIDIA is the first to go bankrupt. They deserve it most. Maybe Jensen will be in the first wave of workforce reduction. We can only hope.

Yes that will definitely work unless you get a weird PCIe card. I have never owned one that did not support booting an operating system. All of the operating systems on both of my desktops run on Sabrent quad NVMe PCIe cards. Works perfectly. I only install NVMe SSDs in my motherboard slots that are used for storage.

I certainly hope so. I hope they literally lose their butt with massive financial losses because of people saying no to their stupid control freak bull crap. This would be the first Battlefield title that I haven't purchased and I won't purchase any game that requires that I enable that kind of stupid filth. They can plant a wet one on my wrinkled old recently-used unwashed sphincter. Hopefully most of the sheeple will join me in saying no to the digi-Nazi clown posse.

Well we know what they can do with their shiny new Battlefield 6 sheeple game. I will not buy it and this would be the first Battlefield release that I haven't purchased. I wonder how many sales and how much money they are going to lose before they pull their head out of their posterior orifice and eliminate that idiotic requirement? I hope they lose a fortune making super-stupid decisions like that.

What would be really interesting (and enlightening) is to know how many Windows 11 users: Use it because it came preinstalled and they are too ignorant or lazy to replace it with a better OS Use it because they drank the terrorist Kool-Aid and they are mortified by Windows 10 losing "support" Use it because they actually like it and think it is a good operating system Only guessing because nobody asked why, but my guess is the last option is the least likely one. I suspect Micro$lop doesn't want that information published, which is probably the most compelling reason the question should be asked.

Interesting back-story on Sister Christian...

This is exactly why I have gravitated toward music without lyrics. Some bands that produce great-sounding music ruin it with poor vocals, offensive lyrics, or by their activist stance on a matter that places them at odds with my position. If they are blatant about it that makes me dislike them and their music because their message ruins it. If there are no lyrics and it just sounds great it makes me want to bang my head, air drum or fist pump. I remember the Monkees and their Saturday morning TV show quite well. As a kid I enjoyed it as well as Lance Link Secret Chimp. I remember The Partridge Family as well. Susan Dey was one of my teenage heartthrobs and the girls were wild about David Cassidy. There have been lots of one hit wonders over the years that were famous only for one song. There are many very popular and successful bands that only have enough great songs that I can count them on one hand. Rolling Stones and The Beatles are both examples of that. There are not very many bands that produced tons of songs that I love. That's probably because the primary determining factor of whether I like a song or hate it is how it sounds. One of the great things about digital music is that we don't have to buy an entire album just for one song anymore. We can download just the one song we care about for a buck or two and totally ignore the rest of their music. I guess I said all that to say that what matters to me is the song(s) more than the person(s) that made it. If the music doesn't entertain me then I don't care about the music or the musicians. Fanboy behavior sucks no matter what form it takes. If it becomes obvious the band or musician is pushing a personal agenda of some sort then I am done with them.

I know my surprised look is not on my face.

Heaven forbid that someone would get PCIe 5.0 without having to paying extra for it. Goes to show what we already know... "compatibility" is generally a fabrication and controlled based on price not hardware or software functionality. Micro$lop is the biggest offender of deliberately fabricating artificial conditions that make things "not compatible" with their older OS versions to try to entice people to move to a newer OS with more cancer, bloat and data theft spyware.

Isn't it is amazing how many undesirable free games they give away? They should try giving away desirable AAA games that don't look like something released in the 80's or early 90's for DOS and Windows 3.1, LOL. I have free bags of trash for anyone that wants them. First come, first serve. When they're gone, they're gone. Hurry kids. FREE!

When the turdbook manufacturers start capping power levels like that it dramatically (and unfortunately) diminishes the value of buying what should be remarkably stronger and faster hardware and it begins to have an effect of leveling the playing field with the more anemic mobile rubbish that costs a lot less. The benefits of spending more for something better is muted to some degree, when the products should be miles apart in terms of performance that scales with the price tag. Now we are starting to see shades of similar nonsense on the desktop side. If it costs twice as much it should be twice as powerful and twice as fast, but it's usually not the case.

If you can identify the correct resistors you should be able to shunt mod any GPU, whether desktop or laptop. Brand does not matter AFAIK. Results might be mixed based on cancer EC power caps though. If the EC limits total system power draw the shunt mod might yield lackluster results on one brand versus another without as much cancer in the EC. I am not sure how to identify the user or contact them based on their UL/3DMark ID. Maybe there is a way, but I do not know. Maybe see if they are on HWBOT and contact them that way. If you can find that score and the validation URL on HWBOT that links to that submission that might work. I was not sure how that shunt modded mobile 4090 score compares to desktop GPU performance. Out of curiosity I compared it to some of my results and it wasn't on the same level. Since I do not pay attention to laptops any more I did not realize they have fallen so far behind. Even a 9070 XT beats it by a significant margin. How low is the score for a typical mobile 4090 that is not shunt modded? https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/57554922/spy/56867844/spy/40813006

Happy Anniversary and congratulations. We live in a day where marriages that last the test of time like ours have is becoming more rare and commitments don't mean as much as they used to. Getting old sucks, but getting old with the person you have given your life and your heart to make the years go by faster and with more happiness. We will celebrate 39 years in November and it seems so weird that so much time has passed so fast. Sometimes I forget that I am approaching 63, but my real life started only 39 years ago. May the rest of your years together be filled with love and happiness.

I like a wide variety of music from multiple genres, unlike many people in my age group. Around the time I turned 60 I began gravitating more toward music without any lyrics, but nothing is as good as the classic metal and hard rock stuff like that one in your post. I do not view music as being an artistic expression. If it doesn't entertain me then I don't like it. I look for demonstration of superior instrumental or vocal ability and melodical excellence. I simply don't care about a person "expressing" their self, the underlying message or whatever agenda they are peddling, or the cultural relevance of their musc, etc. If that even becomes evident to me I tend to reject it. Entertain me... now... or I am turning it off. Music without lyrics seldom annoys me, but often entertains me. Perhaps one of the reasons us older guys like the older music is because the older musicians were focused on entertaining and producing melodic excellence as "entertainers" rather than trying to be artists or cultural influencers. That kind of crap just turns me off.

Yet the Micro$lop Kool-Aid drinkers continue to gobble it up as if nothing is wrong.

In that case then it is all pointless and a waste of time and energy. Just let them do whatever they're going to do and stop all trade with them. No buying their products or selling anything to them. Just pretend they don't exist. Seize all of their assets in America, revoke all visas and expel all non-citizen Chinese, ban travel and deny entry.

Not sure what changed. Maybe the expectation is to rake in tons of cash in tariffs? If that is the case and China ends up paying a crap ton in tariffs to the US then I can see why. If it costs them more than any other country to play the AI idiot game then that would make more sense than a "ban" that is more difficult to enforce. I stopped paying attention to this stuff because I no longer care about 5090 price or availability because I am not wasting money on an absurdly overpriced 5090. Honestly, I do not understand why China hasn't just stolen the GeForce tech and counterfeited it like they do so many other things. They do not respect patents. They could just create their own counterfeit GPUs with stolen technology.

It's more of an NVIDIA compliance failure than a "leadership" problem. You cannot control smuggling very well, but they can certainly fine NVIDIA into oblivion and vaporize all of their AI profits. I do not believe smuggling is an issue. The issue is NVIDIA disobedience. The leadership failure is in not fining the daylights out of NVIDIA wiping them out financially for not having a tight leash on who they sell to. NVIDIA needs to be held responsible and it needs to cause them tremendous financial harm if they do not fall in line. The cost and effort of compliance and policing who the buyers are should be NVIDIA's resonsibility. Government needs to put the hammer down on NVIDIA and audit everything they do. They could start by putting Jensen in jail, along with anyone else that has allowed the sale of chips for Chinese consumption.