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So give it a run! Can't hide behind the beautiful but admittedly stunted heatsink/fan. It is what it is. Can't use lighter/select loads to hit certain clocks and post. Start running some common benchmarks so we can see where it lands. Put fans on 100% and let 'er rip! Then if/when you block it or open it up to improve the stock cooling, you'll really be able to see what differences you get. ---- That listing has scam written all over it. Remember they can also desolder the GPUs and memory from 5090s too. Any 5090 I bought second hand would have to be from someone I know or someone with an active positive sell record that is very recent. Locally, I would definitely need to see it in action before I paid for it and it would only be digitally paid for never cash. I just don't have a real, pressing urgency for a 5090. I can't explain it, but I'm nowhere near as pumped/excited this time around. I've already turned down what? 3 now? It will have to be an in the moment actual card I want for me to pick it up and even then I might say no. I do enjoy seeing everyone's results and excitement over scoring one though.

Gonna need to see the TSE/Wukong run! 🙂 I could push my 4090 to 3135+ in WoW at 99% GPU Utilization, but Wukong/TSE quickly dropped those clocks. See what Heaven will give you and if it can kiss/hit off of 3300mhz like below:

Yeah, my 5080 FE makes basically no noise but if you put a phone or pick up device right on it I can finally hear something on playback and that's it. I know exactly what you're talking about with that constant screeching/changing pitch coil whine. That was my 3090 FE and why I had to sell it off. It was literally making me sick to my stomach it was so bad. 3070 FE was nearly as bad so it had to go too. I did not know that about the 12VHPWR cable, hmmmm. I'll be curious to see how it stacks up against your Gene. That's more like it! If you want a true assessment of its clocks run something like TSE and maxed out Wukong demo to see where they properly settle. 5000 series owners are reporting the newest drivers are allowing higher clock settings on their cards. That's exactly where you want your out of box stock boost clocks to be (~2715-~2805mhz), so everything is looking good!

Congrats! It really is the greatest swansong to EVGA. (Shakes fist at Nvidia). Yeah, that was the first thing I noticed were your clocks seemed to not really be boosting like they should. I know my 5080 FE runs stock out of the box from 2715-2800 so something was wonky. Everything looks great though! Seriously though.... ....how's the coil whine and noise? 🙂

Just a little...... 🤣 --- I agree with you 100% on the coolers and engineering. I think the fuss is the AIB models run much cooler overall (all the engineering in the world can't defeat thermodynamics). If you do decide to block it (I wouldn't personally), you will see an astronomical difference in temps on the 5090 FE blocked vs unblocked. I just really like the look, build, fit and finish on the FE models and at $2k? Yes please. @tps3443 I was watching your initial OC of the 5090 FE video you posted..... Gotta get those OC clocks up man! I saw a max of ~2722....we need to see 2900+ at a min. 🤣 Do a CP2077 or Wukung bench to see where it really wants to go stock and OC. Were you capping the fps somewhere? Hows the coil whine on it?

Sheesh, looks like a nice one! I love it when I spin the wheel on another sample and it's markedly better than the first (I'm looking at you 9800X3D, 11900k, 8086k). It was the string of subpar 12900k's and the "return shuffle" that moved me into picking up binned only samples for 13th and 14th. I had to play the shuffle again with the 9800X3D and I did not enjoy that at all..... Let's see the BIOS screenies for both! I've backed off my OC'ing a lot compared to years ago but now it's all about dialing in the CPU for best ppw (where does the chip fall of the cliff power wise and backing off of that a touch and really dialing it in) along with really getting into memory tuning which can really effect game performance sometimes more than frequency overclocking. Quiet computing is very important to me but I do give a large bit of leeway to laptops when under load. But I will still push my hardware to test it and get some benchmarks because yeah! Then I return it to its D2D config. I'm probably one of the few, but I actually prefer the "borg like" look of soft tubing lol. Don't get me wrong, I like the look of hardline tubing, but something about the naturally generated curves and bends of soft tubing do it for me.

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Right? I love LOVE the look and feel of the 5090/5080 FE (They're identical externally FYI). Personally, aesthetically speaking, it works better in an all black case with minimal RGB (let's the Logo stand out). With just the GPU and ROG lit up in my system, it gives it such an industrial Blade Runner look. Your blacked out MB complements it very well, but that white gpu power cable is nails on a chalkboard to me lol.

Whew, 9070xt GPU score is right there neck and neck with the 7900xtx for raster stock for stock (assuming the top middle score is pure stock). Still stings being in the queue for the $599.99 9070xt and them selling out....😭

Banger of a card for $600-700..... For the idiots out there paying $800-900, shame on you... 🤣 Exactly. I have no desire for any other cards except the FE, Suprim or Astral aka small, medium and large in pricing choices. AMD did say they made gains in RT with RDNA4 and they weren't lying. It flat out beats the 7900xtx while also being within respectable distance of it with raster. Bring on the 9070xtx w/ 24GB for "$749.99" ---------------------------- Oh, and MSI 18" Raider is now $5099.99 for the 9950HX3D w/ 5090.... Looks like they did away with the Steelseries KB too so might have to run their Mystic Light software.....eww.

Awesome!! Congrats brother @Papusan! Looking forward to your results!

Not bad at all! How about a Timespy Extreme run?

Nice bro! Hopefully no coil whine and excessive electronic noise.

9800X3D tuned to the bone and seeing 99% GPU utilization in Dornogal for the first time ever 4k Ultra 10 RT enabled w/ the 5080. With this setup, so many spots the 5080 is being capped at 99% vs the 14900KS even with player data which usually hits the CPU/RAM pretty hard causing utilization to drop. The better the CPU and tuned the DDR5, the better utilization is with player data in WoW. I have some spots in the game I benchmark in Hallowfall which removes player data/CPU bottlenecks naturally and can cap out a 4090 even to 99% easily. That's where I tested to realize the 4090 is ~10-12% faster than the 5080 in WoW stock for stock. Definitely want a 5090 to see who wins the cap out wars. I also want to test a 9070xt against my 7900xtx data especially with RT on. @win32asmguy

Coming along nicely! Not sure why the link to Anne Bradstreet is at the end though: https://poetandpoem.com/Anne-Bradstreet

The whole idea of a 5090D is a farce. Once the full tilt cards / systems are out of Nvidia and AIB hands, there is no way to stop them from getting into China. You could even restrict the cards to US and they would STILL find a way into China. --- I absolutely agree with your take on the XOC vbios @Papusan but again what I said still stands in tandem with it. Just go grab the cheapest 5090 then and enjoy. Block it for some extra kick and slap on a chiller for a bit more and enjoy. Hope to get some good silicon and really enjoy! There's no rule that says anyone is entitled to the XOC vBIOSes out there. Nowhere are AIBs advertising them to buyers. It sucks, but it is what it is to assume by buying the card you suddenly have a right to a special vBIOS made for competitions or targeted OC'ers. And yes, I would like to have access to it but I understand why if I am unable to gain access to it. tl;dr It is what it is. Either buy the 5090 or don't. 🙂 ------------- 5090 vs 9070xt....cause...why not? 5090 obviously wins but price:performance the 9070xt is still a banger and some of the game results really don't have the 5090 crushing it like you would expect. I missed out on a $599.99 MSRP card on BB a few days ago that popped. Got into the queue at least but they sold out. ---

Depends on how they implemented it this time with software tied directly to specific vBIOS it is quite easy to make individualized signed vBIOS and software that will only work with specific cards. Any leak would be able to be traced back to the original XOC'er and they wouldn't want to take a chance of that assuming the combo could be flashed onto generic same AIB cards vs embedded serial #s. I'm hoping they didn't go into super lockdown mode 2.0, but the fact the software is tied directly to the vbios has me thinking the GPU is then authenticated like a dongle to the combo somehow. For those who simply want to PnP and use the best? The continual lock down of overclocking means nothing to them unfortunately and they are the vast majority. Well, there is tiers to competition now. Accepting you are not an XOC'er, I guess you compete in the B-tier now amongst the rest of everyone else without it. It isn't as if you don't have competition to compete against. You're just not an XOC'er level competitor. I don't like to see special tweaks and vBIOS's being restricted, but I understand too. The competition is fierce and I remember watching some of those last videos from KP where they had binned 4090 GPU dies they would solder onto tweaked boards with binned memory and their XOC vBIOS's to compete with LN and more. It is another tier above all of us so we gotta stop acting like if we had access to the vBIOS's suddenly we would be competing. We would not. We would do BETTER but not in their league.... .....doesn't mean I don't want access to it though. 😞 The writing was on the wall last gen when they greatly scaled down their AMD offerings mid cycle with the 7000 series and EOL'd their 7900xtx gaming card well before the end of the cycle. I wonder what their reasons are too. Maybe one headache with Nvidia is enough and the marketshare is so much larger and scalping/pricing is in such flux they can make much more there than with AMD who we have found out is just as rigid as Nvidia and even moreso in some areas? Their pricing is getting outlandish too as we see with their GPUs, "bundles" and laptop pricing has gone through the roof asking $6k for the Titan and $4.9k for the Raider. I'm a bit sour on MSI at the minute because I used to consider them "the better Asus" in the realm of gaming/enthusiasts. Instead, they have jacked up all their prices including their "bottom tier" Ventus series. MSI is now getting into the act only offering their cards in bundle deals directly on their site. $3900+tax for their liquid 5090 + their 32" OLED.... craptastic bundles direct from the AIBs now...yay. gross.

Locking down XOC on the 5090 even more...... Nvidia = Anti-fun Turned down a Ventus 5090 OC today for $2650+tax.... Remember when it was launched at $2199? *sigh*

Actually it was this bundle which was ~$6000 after tax (5971)....yeah, that's a hard no. If I'm going to turn down a ~$3200 TUF after tax I'm definitely going to pass on this. If you really want to do any meaningful OC'ing / shunt modding, a block is a must especially with the 5090 FE.

I had an Astral in my basket ready to checkout on Newegg.... Did I mention it was the $5971 bundle? 🤣 I did not purchase it. 🙂

5080 FE has a slightly scaled down cooler internally vs the 5090 considering the 5090 has a 575w TDP. 5080 FE OCs like a beast as do most 5080s. They have more headroom and cooling per watt than the 5090 but all the OCing in the world ain't gonna put it in the 5090's neck of the woods. 🙂 10-20% OC (depending on boost vs silicon quality) nets you 7-10% performance gain so definitely doesn't scale linearly but going from ~2700ish out of box boost to ~3200ish clocks happens quite frequently with some hitting ~3300+ along with the thermal and power headroom to support it. Your cooler is going to give up the ghost pretty quick with a shunt mod on your 5090 FE. The one knock on the 5090 FE are the temps are usually higher than just about every AIB aftermarket model out there while still running within spec. I think you'll have more room to play on your laptop but even it will get hot much quicker. That does make sense and would be fantastic to see. A ~15% bump to power is always welcomed. Exactly. Most gamers are casual and just like to play games. Budget is the #1 concern and the object is to play. If that means going with recommended settings auto set and/or adjusting down as needed they do it. Like my nephew when I asked how the 12100+A380 was working out? "Fan freakin' tastic Uncle! I love this thing!" He games at 1080p. Our views are sometimes jaded when we think what the market wants vs reality. RGB of course nets you +10% fps so that's a must..... Nvidia is correct and we've seen it the previous cycles as demand drops and supply starts to catch up. I've said it the last few cycles and I'll re-iterate it again for the 5000/9000 series. Those on a budget will get the 5060, 9060 or B580 (which continues to sell out in the US FYI) and be happy. You will not find even new titles that can't scale down to work on each and everyone of those cards. Of course depending on what you want out of your gaming experience, you can pay more to get more but every single game out now can run on any of those cards and the last few generation of 060 class cards dialed down. Game devs know who butters their bread and scale settings accordingly. Same way everyone was whining about Hogwarts Legacy when it dropped yet dialed in it ran wonderfully on my daughter's first 12400+3070 no problem at QHD. Too many Youtubers pushing mid high to high+ settings and proclaiming "These cardz dun werk! Yer Vramz is all kaputz!" Just adjust the settings and viola! Suddenly those games work fine. Again, you want higher fps/settings? Then you upgrade your subsystem starting with the GPU usually. We bemoan dlss/fsr and fg, but those are the very technologies that will continue to let several generations of cards continue to perform and game and give them longevity including the 4000 and 5000 series.

Steam hardware survey begs to differ: https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/ Budgets never change. Real life never changes. Those on controlled budgets can only spend so much and they will continue to find the best solution that fits within their budget. This is why even generations ago, mid tier and below class cards dominate and will continue to dominate. We live in a bubble in this thread not realizing how good we have it overall. Go to just about any Joe Gamer and talk about dropping $1k+ on a gaming GPU let alone $2k+ for a gaming GPU and they look at you like you're nuts. Most gamers just want to load up games and play and have no problems adjusting settings (or letting the game adjust to their hardware) and playing. They don't measure fps or benchmark or tune systems. They slap in a card (or have a place slap it in for them or buy a pre-built) and just use their computers as is. I do agree with you the ASP will continue to increase simply because inflation and costs continue to increase and companies will not give up their profits in any way, shape or form unless demand sharply decreases. I would argue though most gamers are more than happy with their mid tier purchases. And the last three cycles have shown us, and will again when all is said and done, that the 060/070 cards will dominate in market share.

The bulk of sales end up being 3060/7600 type class cards and below when market cycles are finished. You might even be able to factor in 5070 ($550) when all is said and done but it is more the former than the latter. This data doesn't reflect 5060/5050 or 9060 or below cards which aren't introduced yet.

Apex is black thank goodness. --- And yeah, this cycle is going to be another "meh" for gains on laptops for GPU until Nvidia has another proper node shrink or unclenches their cheeks and allows AIBs to have custom power profiles beyond 175w which would be ideal. Something built like a P870TM that could sustain a 300w GPU and 200w+ CPU along with dual PSUs if needed...kind of like an X170KM/SM on steroids. Like I said, the MSI will be my daily driver for the next few years like my NH55 was before but I always grimaced at the smaller screen and lugged an external 18.5" USB-C driven 120hz panel with me ---- As for that poll, lol high end 4090 enthusiasts continuing to be enthusiasts for the 5090. In real market share, the 4090/5090 is a halo/unicorn product even when readily available and percentage wise sells to a very small demographic. Most gamers are not dropping anywhere near $1500 for a GPU let alone $2k+. They are buying right around $600 or below. Just about everyone in this thread is an outlier in regards to PC hardware we own.

Starting with the 12900HX, Intel basically started dropping desktop equivalents into their laptops. Same with AMD and the 7945HX. They're just binned for lower all core frequencies and power for the most part. They then wrap that around mobile focused chipsets. GPU wise, the node shrink for Nvidia let them finally offer a meaningful upgrade with the 4080 and 4090 mobile but basically using the same node for the 5000 series and jamming more power requirements into their desktop cards means 5080 and especially 5090 mobile aren't going to see that nice uplift like from the 3080ti->4090 mobile. And yeah, for QHD, the laptops can get the job done big time. Go with a 1080p 18" panel and they absolutely scream. Watching people absolutely massacre MSI on facebook with their ads for their upcoming MSI Titan starting at "only" $5999.99 or 5799.99 for the Ultra variant.... Such a great board! No problems running 8000+ and tuning my SP113 13900KS right out of the box.