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Oh, so you know how it is then! I think they all use basically the same panel. 🙂 After sitting up playing Fallout 76 last night, the difference is pretty amazing. The color reproduction and brightness (especially explosions) is just sick. Plenty of times I just sat back going, "whoa...whoa..." This is the first display to finally check ALL my boxes for a gaming display: 32" 4k 10-bit color accurate 144hz+ True HDR Excellent response time OLED level per pixel dimming I had quickly adapted to the 43" Samsung, but it was mLED and 8-bit which coming off my BenQ 10-bit was a let down. BenQ was IPS with no local dimming. I'm loving this setup with the AW and Razer Nommo Pro V2 speakers very much!

Set up my Alienware AW3225QF Oled 32" today and I've been playing around with it for awhile. I was previously using a 43" Samsung G7 144hz 4k IPS 8-bit display for over a year (~13 months) and as expected this thing crushes its picture quality. I would say this is like taking my favorite previous 32" BenQ 10-bit 60hz Gsync display and giving it 240hz with OLED level blacks. Still not a fan of curved displays but the curve is slight enough to not send me into fits. After going back and forth with HDR and testing, I actually prefer it off most of the time including in some games. For example, Fallout 76 looks better with it off but Starfield looks better with it on. For movies I prefer it on.

Ack! Back to the previous BIOS you go..... For most normal users who don't care about R23 or benching, all they care about is gaming and not crashing. If new voluntary limits gets them stable, so be it. Other users (like us) will get under the hood and optimize our cooling as much as possible and then tune our chips to perform as well as possible in a D2D config along with a benching config. This of course makes the 14900KS a bad buy for most consumers and it has already dropped in price to ~$664 from all sellers. If I was in the market for just a 24 core chip, I would go snag as cheap as possible 13900k as I could find, super cheap board with good VRMs and dirt cheap 7200mhz memory and save a ton of $$$$.

As long as some stock settings are changed for Joe Gamer to not crash but does not neuter or hinder those who want to get under the hood and have full access, I am all for this change. Like @Talon has been saying, the stock, out of the box settings are too aggressive and this time redlining the silicon that has already been pushed too far has had consequences. I ended up having to drive almost two hours and tune my cousin's system last week because it was overheating like crazy with a 14900ks he had a local shop (mistake #1) swap in for his 12700k and they told him when he said it was crashing "This is just how these new Intel chips run" and a I want to say an ID cooling level 240mm AIO. When All was said and done, we ran to MC and picked up an EK Nucleus 360mm AIO and some case fans. I took my industry sized vial of KPx over and a complete cleaning, proper air flow, replacing that POS AIO, newest BIOS update and tuning his Asus Z690 Hero and it is now purring along properly. I also tuned his memory at 6400mhz too while I was there (he was running it at 4800mhz Jedec lol) but not too tight as that would take days to certify to my standards. I also undervolted his 3080ti so it wouldn't sound like a jet engine taking off and promised to take it apart and clean it up next time. He skipped 4000 series but plans on picking up a 5080 or 5090. I also cleaned up his W11 install. Everything is running right as rain while we game online and he now owes me dinner and drinks. In case you're wondering, his MC purchased 14900ks was reported as SP108 but I'm not sure with Z690 reporting as even my 13900KS on the Z690 Strix kept coming back as an SP98 but once tested on a Z790i Strix came back as a proper SP115. I know his V/F curve had his 6.2 at 1.468v and once dialed in within 320w PL limits and a small UV it wasn't throttling at all. It looked to be a pretty decent sample. So why mention this? My cousin is typical of Joe User. He plays BF, FO, FN, WoW and MW. He's also started playing Alan Wake which sent his system into crashingville. A simple bios update and 14900k swap in had his system (which was already poorly optimized overall. The two case fans was atrocious) freaking out and overheating/crashing.

It really comes down to the games played and with some newer titles being so graphically demanding, with a decent CPU the 4090 can hit a wall but that hasn't been the case with WoW and FO76 when stepping up from the 12900k -> 13900KS and 7800X3D saw tangible gains and GPU load finally moved into the 90s most times but still can't peg it except in spots here and there even at 4k. Starfield and Hogwarts definitely pegged around 98%+ at 4k though. I'll have to get in there and toggle my CCDs with the 4090 to see the gains in my known benchmark runs in FO76 and WoW. Just like with the 5800X3D, I suspect with tuned ram, the non-X3D will pull closer to the X3D CCD but we will see. I just flip CCD1 off and on as needed for gaming. It only takes a few minutes to load the profile and reboot. I'd rather do that than have Project Lasso still not prevent some drifts or gamebar nonsense.

I never thought it would be 40%. 🙂 I expect ~15-20%. Any claims to 40% will be some targeted, outlier test that AMD will parade during launch. If the 9950x is on par with the 7800X3D for gaming, I will definitely wait for the 9950X3D. There's no reason for me to upgrade for my D2D case usage considering my "real work" is on a Macbook Pro M2. And yep, your games will determine if it is worth it or not regarding 4k GPU load. So far, every upgrade I've had CPU wise has resulted in performance uplifts with WoW and FO76 and the 4090 is not contained yet but getting closer. Of course the 5090 will drop and be bottlenecked even more by current CPUs....

Good 'ole Nexus. I had to run the same mod when I was using an LG 49WQ95C-W 49" 5120x1440 display for 4-5 months back in 2022->2023 before switching back to a Samsung 43" Odyssey Neo G7 for the last year. I'm going to downsize real estate wise and I have a Alienware AW3225QF coming in a few weeks. This *should* be end game for gaming for me but we'll see. I've never used an OLED for my desktop. And yep, the same bugs still persist especially the "look away and back" to get an NPC to interract or be able to loot everything. Those were in Fallout 4 too with the creation engine. There is a crapton of stuff to do in the game and luckily at this stage (just like for me sans AC expansion) all the previous Xpacs and refinements (QOL) are there versus launch which was just a disaster. It really feels like a much more polished product. Wait till you start trying to craft perfect legendaries and watch all your mats you gathered over weeks (or months) go bye bye in the matter of a few days.....good times ahead!

Oh, kicking Intel while they're down if all reports are accurate on Zen5 performance.... sooner than later works for me but the 9950X would have to game as fast if not faster than the 7800X3D (I basically turn off CCD1 when gaming turning my 7950X3D into a super binned 7800X3D). Welcome to Appalachia brother. 🙂 You are literally running the best hardware for FO76 (X3D and 4090). Make sure to mod your FO76Prefs file to turn off Vsync so you can get all the fps you are entitled to. Local disk->Users->Your_Name->OneDrive->Documents->MyGames->Fallout 76 Fallout76Prefs.cfg Open with notepad and change iPresentInterval=0 to iPresentInterval=1

Awww, you tricked me. 🙂 I saw the sneakers and went "YES!" Then WHAM! Here come the crocs. 🤣 I still hit the gym and do all types of cardio to keep the wheels from falling off the chassis too including taking 45-90 minute walks. 50's are make or break time for males it seems. 🙄

Cryptic MSI as always. 🙂 We know it's coming though and as usual, Asus is a step ahead on BIOS updates overall.

The beauty in ITX builds is it gives you somewhat of the challenge of tuning and/or overclocking a laptop but with real desktop components across the board. Looking at some of the ITX builds Optimum puts out really shows you what you can cram into these small form factors and run full tilt 4090s and 13900k/7800X3D/7950X3D systems. A lot starts with binned parts to get the best performance with CPU and GPU (in that order) leading the pack. The 14900k you're using is the R batch from OCN I think. I was tempted to pick it up for Intel APO testing with WoW, but that price for its condition made it not worth it (delidded, lapped, dinged on the PCB, SA bug) to me. I would have topped out at $450 shipped for it but luckily you snagged it so we can see it in action.

That's not a bad chip at all. Outside of the SA bug (booo!) the actual performance and V/F curve looks rather nice! On your real hardware, this will break 45k easily.

I don't think so for the consumer model but I can certainly hope so. A 77% uplift is massive but an uplift of 50% more cuda cores on the same node is going to be a 600-700w+ monstrosity at stock. I could reasonably see ~25% more cuda cores and GDDR7 carrying a lot of the heavy lifting for a 500-600w card and ~30-50% uplift. $2k has been the rumored price for awhile now and you would be getting some major bang for the buck if that is true but then again I don't want a space heater in my room like the 3090ti was either. If we get that monster uplift (again doubt it), that is an instant buy and sell for myself. We'll revisit this in October/November if it actually launches this year.

What I've garnered so far is 5090 = same node / process as 4090 pumped up more but the majority of gains will be from GDDR7 and it's gonna run hot and heavy. I am curious about the performance gains since the 4090 was such a bump over the 3090. Part of me expects smaller than expected gains as they are cramming in more voltage and while the AI sector is looking at an MCM design, the consumer market looks to get a big ole juicy monolithic die again. I plan on waiting till after it drops (or close to it). I do too much Fallout 76 and WoW to suffer for months without top notch 4k performance. if the 7900xtx wasn't such a crapshow with WoW, I could see using it as a stop gap but for WoW it is garbage with all the driver issues. I've actually had a few people reach out (3) wanting to buy my 4090 because it auto boosts to 2820+ right out of the box and with a basic OC on the stock AIO cooler does 3120+. Mem >=+1500. I imagine on a chiller and a real block with a real XOC bios it might turn into a monster if it does this on stock gear. The major win for me is basically zero coil whine to the point I not only run my case fully open but I no longer have to use headphones and can play like I used to. With all this said, if a model on launch I want pops up for retail I will most likely pull the trigger but if I miss it or have to wait till Jan/Feb (which is what happened with my 4090), I'm fine with that too. I'll probably lock into MSI, FE or Asus again (in that order).

I ordered a few motherboards from Amazon Warehouse: Asus B650 Prime and Asus X670E Strix for $95 and $228 for my daughter's retrofit to a full Team Red build. I figured if I can't get the Asus B650 Prime working properly (They have a high rate of return / problems) I can always go with the Strix. I also picked up a 7600x on ebay for $165. So far after a few headaches (I can see why they have a high return rate), the Asus B650 is holding it down. I can't see how Asus charges $200 for this board though. No debug lights at all and minimal heatsinks on the board. I must admit I do like the overall look though for some reason. The early BIOS revisions were to fix a crapton of memory incompatibilities for EXPO (still an issue), but since I manually tune all my memory it is not an issue. Main issue was reported overheating VRMs. I swapped in my 7950X3D as a test and let it run CB23 for 20 minutes and they do get toasty but the 7600x doesn't even break 50 running the same test (In summary, if you're buying a 7950X/X3D, get a board worthy of it). As for this 7600x, it is the first AM5 chip I've encountered that can do 2200 fclk no problem. With the newest Agesa updates, running 6000 tuned older M-die sticks, fclk 2000 vs fclk 2200 = bandwidth increase of 63k ->69k which makes sense considering the fclk increases by 10%. uclk holds to 6400 1:1 but gives up the ghost at 6600. My pipe dream of perfect ratios for fclk 2200 were quickly dashed. I had to swap in my 2x32GB G.Skill A-die sticks for that test since these first gen M-die's (I picked them up in 2022) give up the ghost at 6600 (uclk = 1/2). Using the already dialed in timings that had been tested on my 13900ks (MSI Z790i Edge), 12900k (Z690 unify), 7800X3D/7950X3D (X670e carbon, Asrock B650 HDV, Asus B650 Prime), I kept getting flickering that intensified during memory tests. Trial and error, I found out Tras was a bit too aggressive for the iGPU so I backed off from 30 to 35 and all was well. I'll run some more tests this week in the test case including swapping in the 7900XTX for final testing before I break down her system for the retrofit.

When some of the mainstream YTers try to say faster memory is really a waste and no real gains, then you get B4B who actually does some tuning comparing 6000 vs 8600 for gaming. This is right along the lines of the gains I saw 6000 vs 8000 tuned on my 13900KS + MSI Z790i Edge. The gains are real and substantial especially in WoW.

Hopefully one of those 14900ks's is at least decent. Hope you feel better soon @Papusan Well, buying an expensive binned chip definitely takes out the lottery lows that's for sure. Pay more but know *exactly* what you're getting has its pluses. I just flat out opted to skip 14th gen after selling my 13900KS SP115 and stick with AMD this go around. Let me know down the road when you want to jettison it out the escape hatch. 🙂

This and more of this and then a sprinkle of this on top..... I've never understood that "grind it to the edge for hours or days" mentality. I usually have a benching profile and a D2D profile. In no way, shape or form am I going to run my benching profile(s) under those types of conditions for hours on end. That is just asinine. Worse thing you can do is listen to others try to tell you how to qualify your chip based on their criteria instead of your own. Don't think my chip meets your OC standards? Ah well, go cry in a corner. 🙂

In the end, frames rule the game. Remember, I had a 3060 12GB before and all the VRAM in the world will not save you from a GPU that just isn't up to the task. Pumping up details to take advantage of the 12GB = steadily decreasing frame rates and it tanked at 1080p high on Hogwarts, WoW and Fallout. 3070 8GB ran circles around it. Yes you have a 50% larger VRAM buffer but now you need more GPU power to handle the higher level of detail/settings. Chicken or the egg? 🙂 On the other hand, you can dial down the details to the point you can even limp by at 4k on a 3060 which I did actually when I was waiting for my "next card" after selling my 3090 FE and before I got my KPE 3090. That one was actually an 8GB 3060 and I ran it at 4k low details for over a month. Such low settings = no VRAM issues and less stress on the GPU. Ideally, you would want a 4060ti 16GB and you get the best of both worlds. An even larger VRAM buffer AND FG that will absolutely shine at 1080p but Nvidia is stupid with their pricing and you're looking at a $150 difference but it makes the most sense for 1080p gaming. Albeit I do see the value proposition with the 3060 12GB. It's a good starter card and overall pretty solid at 1080p. Then again my nephew is loving his A380 6GB GPU so perspective I guess. 🙂

If I was using GFN, I would use ethernet for optimal latency to the router/CM. 3060 is still solid for 1080p gaming and realistic settings. 3060 laptop and desktop are much closer than previous generations: Only downfall I can think of the 3000 vs 4000 series at the xx60 point is the lack of FG which can really help in pockets.

I keep telling myself I'll stick with my MSI 4090 but I know I'll most likely snag the first MSRP 5090 that is one of my favorite/chosen models. I'm gonna fight REAL hard though! I'll probably hold off of the 8950x and wait for the X3D unless the performance is that much better in gaming than the 7950X3D unless their value sky rockets. Either way.... All I see in our future is this..... 🤣

I still have my Clevo NH55. Last of the quasi desktop CPU using models from them for Socket 1700. I also have a Dell G5 15.6" I5-13650HX and RTX 4050 laptop and I just cracked open an Asus Vivobook Pro 15 OLED with an Ultra 7 155H and 3050 graphics. I sold or gave away all my previous laptops so I'm down to these three in my arsenal. I tried an Asus G18 twice last year and returned them because of the armory crate, silicon quality, inability to really do anything with it and screen quality. The refreshed models now have mini led options but I'm still not seeing anything on the horizon calling me. I have an ultra thin 18" portable high refresh display that runs right off of USB-C/TB both signal and power I can take with me to game if I want a big screen experience. Change for me was definitely the death of fully configurable laptops with interchangeable GPUs and CPUs along with memory, storage and wifi. The death of beefy, real heatsinks was also another "writing on the wall" situation as everything became about thin and light. My enthusiasm diminished quickly. Last real fun projects I did were the binning and tuning of the X170SM-G w/ Prema. I did pick up a random X170KM-G, but it was one of those rare (and I do mean rare) instances where it came with a crazy golden 11900k and ran full tilt right out of the box. I didn't have to do anything. The 3070 in it also ran ice cold. There was literally nothing left to tune on it. The BIOS the professional company used ran rock solid and everything "just worked" right out of the box. I was both elated and saddened at the same time. 🤣 Now, I have no problem with thin and light laptops as I've used them along side the big boys but I want options too.

That's killer! Much better than the rig I built for my nephew.

Yeah I'm over Intel atm but I am looking forward to 15th gen. I just have to tamp down this urge to try APO with WoW. I'm waiting for some results somewhere (anywhere?) from a WoW player. Looking at my inventory, I have 2x EVGA PSUs (850w P2, 1600w P2), 2x AIO (360 CLC, 280CLC) and 2x of their keyboards which the wife and I still love. I've tested numerous keyboards since and I keep going back to it. A few of their mice, but they are in storage as they are ok but not the best for gaming. I switched to a Razer Pro and it is by far the best I've used so far. But all the GPUs and Motherboards of yesteryear? Gone but certainly not forgotten. 😞 MSI is my tier 1 now followed by Asus and maybe Asrock again considering the last three boards I used from them (1x Intel, 2x AMD) have all been rock solid and stellar.

lol, he's not wrong. 13900k, 13900ks, 14900k, 14900ks has just been a protracted two cycle (with four releases) of basically the same CPU just binned differently. Plenty of hyping his own products too including his "custom" memory modules like they're magical. With such variances, Silicon Lottery could have made a major killing with these. I always liked the look of Ampere Strix cards. Whenever I'm working on the wife's system, I always admire the 3080 Strix in there and remember fondly paying $1100 for it during the height of the GPU shortages....good times. 🙂 It is really painful to see what was once the standard bearer for quality and professionalism just slowly circle the drain as they've just become really a PSU and peripherals company and have nerfed all their warranties and abandoned everything that made them great including GPUs, MBs and even cases and outlier peripherals.