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  1. electrosoft
    Looking forward to your results. Is that IHS lapped or is that LM soak discoloration?
  2. electrosoft
    It was a good price, but it sold tonight on €bay so it's gone. 😀 I had 5. Now down to two. I'll have one more up for sale in a few weeks after the final battle of the two titans to see which one truly reigns surpreme in the X170SM-G: LTX Golden sample (1 of 200) 10900k vs Silicon Lottery top bin 10900k
  3. electrosoft
    I know a few users had tried it on the other P870 and P775/0 series models but I can't recall anyone giving it a whirl on the X170 series.
  4. electrosoft
    Ztec did this to their X170's to increase pressure. They removed the stock spring loaded screws with normal screws. I ended up replacing even those with even more dialed in screws to get exacting pressure to my standards. The trick as you mention is to not overtighten them. Too much pressure and the system will not boot or it will crash as soon as you introduce any type of load that heats up the CPU and the socket/chip expands ever so slightly. I found the right pressure with a "loose hand" screw then finger tips tightening. Get a power screw driver with controllable torque and you can find the exact setting that works the best and know for future heatsink removals you have an exact setting. I might take this approach in the future. Takes a bit to dial in the exact settings through trial and error but them you know exactly what works the best and at what setting.
  5. electrosoft
    I am so disappointed in Intel killing off AVX512 in 12th gen. Mine still has it as do many early run chips but it makes no sense especially with AMD embracing it and applicative uses still on the rise. I am glad to see the TDP jump and more importantly see a nice, healthy PL2 of 230w which, again, will blow right out the window when we get some nice OC's going. It's a desktop There are countless cooling options available Stop focusing on power efficiency and let it soar Thin and light is really here to stay and will continue to grow. Just about every average consumer, family member and client all want thinner and lighter and base much of their purchasing decisions around that criteria fixating on what they physically want size wise in a laptop and then searching for specs within that criteria. It is a very Apple way of approaching things but at least even Apple regressed with their new line of Macbooks and they are actually heavier and thicker than the previous generation and they are receiving rave reviews versus their predecessors. I was more than happy when the market was a nice, healthy mix of proper DTRs and T&L for when you need mobility but the bean counters in their Everquest to maximize profits see the bigger, juicier profits are in cheap, throw away electronics that are still astronomically priced (I'm looking at you Alienware and Razer).
  6. electrosoft
    Wait.... Hold on a second! You mean to tell me the bulk of the massive profiteering the last year or so for GPU makers (especially Nvidia) was due to the crytomining market and now that it is imploding (again) their stocks drop and Nvidia can't definitively state how much of an effect the now obvious miners buying up cards had on their revenue stream? Really?
  7. electrosoft
    I'm gonna have to try a pair of crocs one of these days. I stick to Rebok basic betty white sneakers for even wearing around the house! Loving the continued benching and testing of older GPUs on state of the art CPUs knowing you're extracting every bit of performance out of those cards.
  8. electrosoft
    Most likely the first two were in the same "average" mediocre range and you finally got a chip that is a better silicon. V variants are from China while X variants are from Vietnam. When I say 12th gen variance is extreme that is an understatement. Even at stock you're looking at end tweaking potential pull variances of ~70-75w (~162w-241w). Throw in leaky vs non-leaky chips and when you're dealing with a limited cooling solution it can make a difference. If you settle on that chip, a delid and milled, flat IHS will probably work wonders. You could also do some shim tests to see if extra height gives better temps and performance. I know on my P870TM ordering an IHS that was 4.3mm vs stock 3.3mm made a world of difference. Doing shim tests on my X170SM showed it didn't have nearly the same effect but my X170SM-G is modded from Ztec so a lot of the ground work was done already. Best way to apply nanogrease extreme is a dollop in the middle and let the natural pairing pressure spread it out where it needs to be and compensate for any gaps. Due to the rectangular shape of the IHS you may need to apply a micro sized dot above and below the central dollop. You can always do a few test applications with cheaper stuff to make sure you're getting the ideal spread.
  9. electrosoft
    No problem. 🙂 Just be aware depending on ram frequency the KM can be real finicky with all 4 slots populated. Let us know if you have any problems and we'll get it sorted out one way or the other on your march to 128GB. 😄
  10. electrosoft
    You don't have to take your motherboard out to upgrade the ram. Two screws to lift up the keyboard and the ram slots are right underneath.
  11. electrosoft
    I would not be surprised if they are binning for 12900hx specs too as they will need a much tighter and lower V/F curve for the lower range and really don't need to hit full 12900k specs. It could go both ways. You could also bin 12900kf as they can never be binned for 12900hx or 12900ks chips as they don't have iGFX. If you have any type of potential pairing/pressure issues, nanogrease is the best as it is the thickest and helps compensate for any pairing issues while being within spitting distance of the slightly better thermal compounds. If you're confident in your pairing pressure, Kingpin is best I've found but it has a ~6mo shelf life before it starts to degrade followed by good ole gelid extreme and then EVGA Frostbite is a sleeper hit which is on par with Gelid extreme. Personally, I run Nanogrease Extreme on my laptops because I've yet to find a laptop that pairs anywhere near as exacting and tight as a desktop and it is close enough and tends to give me better temps overall. I don't use it on desktops at all. I lost confidence in Kryonaut and Conductonaut due to some bad batches so I avoid both for TIM and LM for YMMV.
  12. electrosoft
    Price: $$SOLD$$ Condition: Used Warranty: None Reason for sale: Too many 10900k's Payment: PayPal (non-cc) , F2F, trade Item location: Southern NJ Shipping: USPS International shipping: To known former NBR users Handling time: 3 days Feedback: https://www.ebay.com/fdbk/feedback_profile/electrosoft Specification: In the process of binning many 10900k's and I find myself with 5 of them now floating around. This was my original ZtecPC 10900k "binned" 5.1ghz 1.35v 10900k which was originally delidded. I re-delidded it to improve thermals even more (which it did) with LM and it's original cap and properly sealed with RTV silicone. This was binned by ZtecPC specifically for optimal use in the X170 series of laptops to handle a -90 uv and keep thermals in check at stock. I was actually using this in the wife's system with an MSI Z590-A Pro but I upgraded her to 12th gen. I can also sell this with the MSI Z590-A Pro motherboard for $400 shipped if you want the combo. Proof of ownership:
  13. electrosoft
    Yeah, I definitely want to see as much data as you're willing to provide. It helps fill in the caps and set baselines and expectations. Edit: Just read your comprehensive baseline data post, awesome! How are you pulling 140w when @win32asmguy was capped at 125w ? I mean, if it is a BIOS variation thing that is promising and we can focus on containing the furnace with a dialed in uv and ac/dc ll if the BIOS can be opened up enough. I know on my P870TM I dialed in everything with a fixed Vcore and ll settings to really chop off a lot of wattage and keep the CPU running within spec. So much room for improvements from binned silicon to uv to IHS to thermal compound selection to additional heatsinks and more....good stuff ahead. 🙂
  14. electrosoft
    Problem is right now Intel is hoarding a lot of decent bins for 12900ks but most 12900k's will be ~SP84'ish in silicon quality which is not great. If you had an Asus board that supported SP rating (Strix D4, Prime A, Hero) you would probably see the ratings are ho hum at best. I binned 5 and really it was random luck I landed a chip that ran ridiculously low and cool. Most 12900ks chips will blow it out the water for overclocking though. Testing it on that B660M board with that small air cooler and seeing it only run ~5c hoter than a 12100f while pulling 60w more was astounding. I didn't even expect those types of results. Is it a thermal issue or a PL issue? If it is thermal issues, a delid and relid with a good IHS will work wonders. I know everybody is doing Rockitcool, but I would recommend BartX. Not only can you get a nickel plated IHS (no soak issues with LM), but he will custom make an IHS for you with additional height if needed for a tighter pairing. I've purchased a few custom made IHS's from him and they worked great. One for 9900ks and another for 10900k.
  15. electrosoft
    That's a killer write up @Clamibot. I'm going to link it in the launch page.
  16. electrosoft
    Like Intel, AMD knows the mobile market is still the largest growth vector and BGA is everywhere and very profitable on many levels to the detriment of those who want flexibility, upgrade ability and real cooling and powerful chassis. As someone who runs multiple variants of Linux, I cringe when I see anything integrated hardware wise that even has a whiff of proprietary M$. I do like that they said AM5 will have a very long socket shelf life. One thing you can't deny is AMD extracted everything out of their previous socket and you have very old systems being able to drop in a 5800X3D and have an immediate and massive upgrade. It seems AMD has hit a wall with 16 cores but at least we're getting real cores and not this hybrid from Intel. It comes down to will the IPC and clock uplift of 7000 outduel the additional 8 E-Snores with RPL along with the cache upgrades and architectural refinements. I suspect Intel will still retain the overall IPC crown on P-Cores. No surprise it beats the 12900k by 31% on MT loads as even the 12900k barely outclassed the 5950x in MT loads. I was overall impressed with AMDs new offerings and if they hold true (remember we're seeing a presentation presenting their 7000 series in the best light), they will be worthy contenders at lower TDP albeit that has been officially raised to 170w now (vs Intel 241w) but in real world usage and overclocking? All that will fly right out the window. As for overclocking, I worked with PBO and CO for a bit before tossing it out the window and just overclocking using a traditional approach on my 5800X since PBO and CO were entirely too dependent on the type of load and had clocks all over the place including in games where you would shoot up to 5ghz and then throttle down to 4.4ghz in some situations. I preferred a fixed OC based on vcore and heat management. If Intel delivers on HEDT (fingers crossed), I don't think AMD can ignore that (or they can to their own detriment).
  17. electrosoft
    Updated the launch page with a link to drivers, thanks!
  18. electrosoft
    Definitely looking at some delid/relid numbers but more importantly a flatter and ever so slightly taller IHS and results. 💪
  19. electrosoft
    Agreed, I am perplexed why they neutered it so badly knowing a similar design PL like Intel would basically afford it all the headroom it needs to run at stock. That laptop with a full 125w PL or even 150w and the 5950x would smoke every laptop out there for multi. It can't touch the NHJ for single and 12th though even if full powered. Nothing can touch 12th gen right now. As it stands now, if you're in the market for the best multi performance in a true desktop CPU the NHJ is top dog for a 15.6" form factor and the X170SM/KM for 17.3".
  20. electrosoft
    If the 5950x is working within spec and not subject to thermal throttling it will decimate the 10900k in multi and be darn close if not better in single but it won't because it is physically capped at 88w (yikes). Here is a run on my X170SM-G with a 10900k running at stock tuned no overclock on anything. The problem with the AMD laptop from XMG is the hardware is physically capped at 88w which limits the scores. That means the 5950x in it scores roughly the same as a stock 10900k (~16500k). Tuning the curve (which isn't a real OC as it is subject to load variants) nets. They even warn you the 5950x is not recommended for that model and you can see why. It will put an absolute pounding on its VRMs pushing them to max/cap under load everytime. The max somewhat realistic chip for it is the 5900x which will give you less than 10900k stock performance. The best chip for it is the 5600x IMHO. They won't even offer a 5800X3D because it runs too hot and heavy for that chassis. Again, the problem is the physical hardware limitations of an 88w cap. That just is a deal breaker in every aspect. Even Clevo's new 15.6" Socket 1700 laptop has a cap current cap of 125w and that is BIOS limited. It will probably open up to 150w max. Even XMG recommends only a specific range of CPUs: ----------------------------------------------- Recommendations Our recommended CPUs for XMG APEX 15 MAX include: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X desktop CPU | 6 cores/12 threads | 32 MB cache | max 88 W PPT AMD Ryzen 7 5700X desktop CPU | 8 cores/16 threads | 32 MB cache | max 88 W PPT AMD Ryzen 9 5900X desktop CPU | 12 cores/24 threads | 64 MB cache | max 88 W PPT (ECO Mode) The best price/performance ratio is arguably in the AMD Ryzen 7 5700X. AMD Ryzen 9 5950X is not recommended in XMG APEX 15 MAX unless the user is willing to manually adjust frequency/voltage curve and other manual optimizations in AMD Ryzen Master. Results might be prone to silicon lottery. XMG will not guarantee specific performance results. System stability is only guaranteed when system runs at factory defaults, including the 4 performance profiles in Control Center: Power Saving, Quiet, Entertainment & Performance." -------------------------------------------------------
  21. electrosoft
    Yep, 23k at 140w for the 12900hx vs 24k at 125w for a 12900k is a massive difference especially considering they pulled out all the stops with the vapor chamber and liquid metal to boot.
  22. electrosoft
    So it looks like Eurocom (as expected) as a customized BIOS version but PCS does too? Is there a "stock" Clevo version out there for comparison? 12600 is behaving exactly as expected especially after @win32asmguy's preliminary 12900 findings. XTU might be auto rejecting the H series chipset whereas TS takes a, "come at me bro" approach. Eurocom does tend to be a little more open with the BIOS than other companies at default Hopefully Prema can get in there and work a little majick for you. And yeah....Asus went HAM on the Strix Scar 12900HX full vapor chamber, liquid metal on both and k5 Pro aux applications. If money were no object and I could stomach a high end BGA CPU system, that would be it.
  23. electrosoft
    Nail in the coffin for anyone contemplating a KPE 3090ti and expecting/wanting a block for it from EVGA:
  24. electrosoft
    Nice overview and comparison to the original KPE 3090 board. With the 4000 series slated to be released by F2022, this may be a non starter.
  25. electrosoft
    Arctic's issue has been and will continue to be the convenience and downfall of an integrated pump control but even compared against my EVGA CLC 280 and 360 it wasn't a stand out winner but it is much quieter under load and responds better to lower rpm fans than the EVGA due to its thicker fin stacks. You might be at a point where building out a basic custom loop just for the CPU will yield you optimal results. It is what I'm going to do next time around just for the CPU with a 360mm or 420mm, D5, flexible tubing and QDCs. Once in place, it should be superior to any AIO on the market and not too expensive. I already picked up a 360mm rad that's sitting on the shelf that's 20 fpi rated and looks competent enough for an initial build out.
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