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The change in size, power connectors, PCIe5 and more is the gift that keeps on giving to vendors across many facets. New cases, new motherboards, new PSUs to support that new hardware oh my! 🤑 All we would need now is a, "Runs Best on Windows 11" campaign to fully bring it home! 🙂

lol, only if you link the BIOS or a link to it without Prema's authorization..... 😁

That Asus 4090 Strix is a chonker! Leaked 4080 16GB synthetics....it is a decent card (~23% uplift in TSE, ~16% uplift in RT vs 3090ti) in its own right. This means the 4090 should just be an absolute monster and with the massive cuda separation between the 4090 and 4090ti this time around the 4090ti is going to be a behemoth! https://videocardz.com/newz/alleged-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-16gb-3dmark-benchmarks-have-been-leaked

Do you have any particular models in mind? My two favorite models are the 4090FE and the MSI Suprim Hybrid still. Colorful would carry no warranty over here for their Neptune which will probably be priced out of the stratosphere anyhow.

Exactly my thoughts. I'm going to sit back and wait. I'll just have to suck it up eventually before November 28th when WoW Dragonflight launches and break down my system and install the EVGA Z690 Classified vs pick up a 13900k and run both in tandem for awhile. X3D and KS are coming sooner than later in 2023.

Agreed, if the price is decent, I could see upgrading my daughter's P377SM from the woefully weak M1000M she uses now to it if possible. Either that or she will compromise and learn to adapt to a 15.6" display on this Acer Nitro 5 I have sitting on the shelf. She is like me though and prefers 17.3" displays.

Based on TS, 2080S is definitely more powerful even compared to the full power desktop 6600. 2080S even manhandles the 6600XT numerous times too. I was initially excited then saw the benchmarks and went, "ohhhh....nevermind"

Whew, the 4090FE is definitely a thicc boi.....I still love the design and look of it though:

They mentioned they're not doing AMD this go around, but depending on chipset longevity before a refresh you never know. I'd love to see a Dark and/or Classified X670 too.

Prema is only available on select models that were sold from Prema Partners. You could try contacting Prema directly for some help but the BIOS is not available for general distribution.

i7 = poorly binned i9. If you find some good silicon you can greatly increase your performance as the variance of 11th gen is pretty massive. The brief time I had an X170KM-G in the old forums, I popped in a cool hand luke and had no problems running CB23 with no throttling.

XMG as updated their BIOS for the "never say die" XMG Apex 15 Max and it now supports every 5000 series processor with the inclusion of the 5800X3D. https://bestware.com/en/xmg-apex-15-max.html While it is only powered with an integrated (boo!) 3060 or 3070, it is spitting out more fps than every other option for it:

How much are you willing to spend and what are your expectations? The Dom Platz look righteous though. I picked up a pair of Hynix sticks w/ heatsinks installed from gtz for sub $150 shipped because there is no way I'm dropping crazy money on DDR5 sticks this early in their maturation process. I did the same with DDR4 and DDR3 for the first few years after launch till they hit their stride then paid more.

When the real results come out you are going to see on average stock for stock (let's say 3090ti FE vs 4090 FE) a 50-70% depending on situation is my estimation. Either way, like I said before, it is a beefy uplift. Massively to me is 2x faster or more which it is not which is usually reserved for every other generation comparison (IE 2000 vs 4000, 1000 vs 3000). Gigabyte has introduced their Waterforce version of the 4090 for a full 360mm AIO based card (non hybrid), but I find myself still liking the MSI Suprim X 4090 AIO hybrid for some reason lol along with the Colorful. Depending on AMD and market conditions, I still feel like the 4090ti is going to be coming sooner than later, but we will see. This time around the TI moniker will pack a serious punch.

Depending on cooling method used and end goals, the severity varied. For joe user it wasn't enough of an issue to make it an official defect or problem. I've been running an Asus Z690 D4 for almost a year now with an AC LF II 420mm. I just took the CPU out the other day. Socket and CPU look fine, no problem but some have had issues with massive variance in thermal spread / pressure. When I eventually move this Z690 classified into the all EVGA build I do plan on removing the intel retention system and installing the 3rd party thermalright type retention bracket just because I happen to have 3 different models sitting here.

More like ~60% but that is still a pretty massive uplift. I'm equally interested in RT performance gains too. DLSS can kick rocks for all I care. Compared to your laptop 3060, almost anything in the desktop realm is a massive upgrade 3080 on up.

If MSRP is $1599 and AIBs are averaging $1599 to $1999 so far, you can fully expect the 4090ti to be at least $1999.99 MSRP and prices ranging from $1999.99 to $2399.99. Only way this self corrects is if AMD comes in with the thunder at a great price and/or consumers simply don't buy for numerous reasons. Normal Joe Consumer who upgraded to a 3000 series during the Pandemic is going to skip the 4000 series. Only enthusiasts and those with money to burn upgrade each generation. 7950x sales are reported to be beyond lackluster so far so there's hope in this world wide downturn overall. As for Strix 4090:

You might need to transplant and create your own build thread at this rate @Papusan! Just don't create a CROCS build thread please.... 🤣

Awesome and nice confirmation. I'm still sitting on a sealed Z690 Classified and those 2x16GB DDR5 M-die sticks I picked up from OCN. I'm too knee deep in Fallout 76 atm to break everything down have something go all cattywampus and I would need another CPU to set up the Classified in my test bench/case.....grrrrr. Am I talking myself into picking up a 13900k? 🤣

Everything is looking quite righteous brother! Are you contemplating an AMD 7900x or are you firmly with Nvidia?

I've been running an Asrock A380 since launch.....I suspect A770 will do just fine. Drivers are still sus. Superposition still won't run right for benching. I use that to judge each release to see how Intel is doing with older(ish) benchmarks and DX. Intel is all in because it is also their long term iGX and top end technology strategy. The question is will they continue to use the technology to offer consumer grade GPUs.

In reality none of us need an upgrade except @jaybee83 maybe but an upgrade is an upgrade when you want to have and use the newest out there. Practical? No but practicality goes out the window often when new toys are introduced. 🙂 I'm definitely not changing my GPU this cycle. I plan on extracting every last bit of value from it for the next 2-3 years. It has already logged massive hours (150hrs so far I think) playing Fallout 76 which is my new focus and it will log thousands more when WoW Dragonflight launches. Based on the limited Beta gameplay, people clearly complained about the subpar RT and 4k performance as I am getting much better fps than with WoW Shadowlands RT to max. As you know, I paid MSRP for my 3090KP and sold it for a profit 10 months after buying it. It logged some serious WoW miles on it too before departing. With EVGA kindness, I ended up getting the 3090Ti KP for actually less than I paid for the 3090KP overall. Funny thing KPE 3090 and KPE 3090ti were momentarily back in stock yesterday on EVGA for $1399.99 and $1999.99 but the few they had literally sold out within hours. One forum member had the KPE 3090ti in his cart trying to buy it but someone bought it before he could complete checkout.....savage.

Back to living vicariously through you bro! 🙂

Lol, I feel you on this in spades brother..... 🤣

So we have @tps3443 going 13900kf.... @jaybee83 going 7950x and either 4090 or 7900... And I'm sure @Talon will be getting a 13900k and a 4090.... I'll completely be enjoying living vicariously through y'all for Q4/Q1 🙂