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  1. electrosoft
    Vsync can be a performance killer. Turning it off in WoW definitely ups the fps. I prefer to run it with Vsync off, Gsync on.
  2. electrosoft
    I'd remove the entire HSF and clean it with isoproyl + q-tips and compressed air / air vac. While it is off, hit the rest of the unit with some compressed air too.
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    Glad to know the P+E UV crashes but persists through a warm boot and works. The slow uptick in scores is encouraging and you're ~4k behind a full fledge desktop score at this point and that is before a proper delid and seeing how to beef up the heatsink a bit. I had to do a similar cvar procedure on my dell 11th gen to get uv's to work. I'll have to start moving some of these goodies to the main page as you continue to spelunker and really uncover a lot of goodies. The groundwork you're putting in is so much appreciated. We would be still running around in circles and guesstimating still at this point without your help.
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    That is something with the BIOS then as a test trrivial +/- UV should not elicit that behavior with the e-core enabled and work with it disabled. On the plus side, my goal would be to dial in the P-cores with e-cores disabled anyhow but since this is a rev 1, we know there are plenty of bugs and kinks that will need to be worked out down the road. Did you get a chance to give CCC a try and see what CPU controls it gives you similar to the X170 series? I would like what you describe or even design it around the entry level model (3060) to purposely afford the CPU as much cooling as possible and still equip the unit with a decent entry level GPU. If you need more power then you could hook it up to an eGPU. First and foremost I would like a 17.3" version too. As more users trickle in gotta make the first page a bit more proper. Plus with more models and keyboards it will come up in searches better and get some more Clevo users in here.
  5. electrosoft
    Way out of my price league for a motherboard, but both the classified and especially that Dark Z690 motherboards are gorgeous:
  6. electrosoft
    Agreed with the 12600 seeing how much @win32asmguy is able to extract performance wise so far on a full 8+8 chip. On my P870TM I was able to push my Corsair 3800 sticks to 3467 stable in a 4x8GB config but sold two of them in the interim so I'm running 2x8GB in my X170SM-G. If I managed to track down a set of 2x8GB G.skills I'd definitely give them a whirl too but they've been EOL'd for quite some time. I'll adjust the main post and this IS the lounge for the Socket 1700 Clevo 15.6" 😁 I'll need to track down vendors and more importantly Clevo's naming convention and change the header to it instead of just the Eurocom model. I'm just really glad Clevo is still offering something this gen instead of abandoning the true desktop CPU laptop market altogether.
  7. electrosoft
    What's the launch page for their system? I'll add it to the initial post. It will be nice to see a 12600 in action to start rounding out PL limits and temps. I use 2x8 Corsair DDR4-3800 in my X170SM-G. It will be nice to see with a custom profile how hard you can push it and especially where the motherboard traces give up the ghost. I like the fact they went with only 2x SODIMM slots. I agree. Upgradable laptops are what I prefer and when they start soldering on everything even down to the wifi and memory that is proverbial nails on the chalkboard to me. I wish the GPU was modular but with the state of MXM and the industry there wasn't much that could be done. Either make it completely modular and upgradable classic Clevo style sans GPU modular or throw out the baby with the bathwater.
  8. electrosoft
    You can individually address frequencies along the curve to apply offsets but I would first establish at what core count the crashes are occurring. Does it happen with a single core run? 4? 8? 12? 16? HT on or off? Does it crash even with a trivial uv like .0001 or is there a point it crashes?
  9. electrosoft
    Don't forget the 3090ti at 2k+.... 🤑 Depending on 6950xt launch prices (which use the same XTXH chips), these could go down even further. A guy over on ocn picked up an Asrock Formula OC 6900xt open box from microcenter for $700. I have three MCs in a ~60min radius (PA, MD, MD) and one 90min away (North NJ). Might take a day trip to a few and check their open box stock on....well....everything.
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    The 6900xt's are really tanking hard in cost right now. Asrock Formula OC 6900xt is down to $1050 new at Microcenter along with the PowerColor Red Devil Ultimate at $1100 (both XTXH cards):
  11. electrosoft
    The few times dealing with NBR members for international sales always turned out great.
  12. electrosoft
    Yep, that's the 420mm monster in the front lol.... I really like this case. I wish the back was a tad deeper. Even a half inch would have made a world of difference for cable routing especially when I when I had my EVGA CLC 360mm mounted to the side outlets for the CPU (420mm won't fit over there).
  13. electrosoft
    Undervolt is applied universally but if you have poor e-cores and good p-cores they can bring you down in many ways including your uv. Ideally you should be able to turn off e-cores and then P-cores get all the cache and lower temps overall to boot and your P-cores should have more headroom for the thermal constraints but if it is running hotter/slower with them disabled sounds like a BIOS update will be needed down the road. It is a new system so I am sure some BIOS revisions are in its future. Do you have access to AC/DC LLs? With the uv it may be drooping a bit to much for the e-cores enabled or this is just early bugs that need to be worked out.
  14. electrosoft
    I like the option of both. I love big body laptops and if a monster like my original mALX-19 came to market I'd be all over it again. On the other hand, for site to site or even some of our rPI, robotics and model rocket stuff it is much easier and more practical to take my Acer Swift 3 with me. Small, good power, killer battery life. Like you, when afforded the option to cram in multiple, smaller laptops I would. Even my daughter will only use 17.3" laptops.
  15. electrosoft
    Well another theory comfirmed with the non-k sku. I had a feeling that was the problem because I've encountered it in the past with non-k sku's on the desktop. I'm curious about the 150w PL limit since it seems stuck on 120w but if you're thermal throttling at this point it really is a battle for another day. Getting 120w thermals under control are paramount. Did you ask Eurocom is this the only heatsink available (IE was the one originally pictured just a prototype and this is the final, only model)? Hopefully like all previous Clevo's aftermarket beefier HSs will show up on Aliexpress. That is good XMP or custom is available which means memory can be fine tuned. That's another win. Can you post a few screen shots? Clevo Control Center usually gives you a degree of CPU control on its own and many options can be fixed to BIOS and uninstalled and persist including UVs depending on BIOS flexibility. Never hurts to give it a whirl. I know in the past on some models if the chipset was a lower or non OC model XTU would limit options and we would use TS to overcome it but like you found out even TS can't overcome a bit locked non-k sku chip. The good thing is you are getting full single (and few) core turbo. The bad is now it's time to maximize thermals, get them under control and then see about that 150w PL and what a better PSU can do. Thanks so much for basically being the eyes and ears for exploring this model and actually picking up a 12900k to try and answer more questions. It is greatly appreciated!
  16. electrosoft
    Yeah, if needed I can order one from Eurocom or wait for a used one to pop up somewhere.
  17. electrosoft
    Just heard back from RJtech and they won't be carrying it. Ah well.
  18. electrosoft
    Yep, the only way to validate this is to install a K sku at this point. It may be the board power draw is capped around ~235w due to the PSU in use. Best case, 280w+ PSU will increase power limits and draw. Worst case, your PSU will run much cooler and last longer. Thanks again for being the initial guinea pig on this new model. Awesome follow up questions!
  19. electrosoft
    Just about every off the shelf set I tested in my P870TM had little no no headroom. Maybe 3333 tops on some but with so so timings at best. I was able to run Corsair 3800 C18 sticks at 3467 in my P870TM-1 but my X170SM-G will only hit 3200 with them.
  20. electrosoft
    I was looking through my parts to see if I had any other extra AX210's for you (I did not sorry) but I found a brand new AX200 if that is an upgrade for you (or if you don't have a wifi card at all). Let me know and I'll drop it in the mail for you this week.
  21. electrosoft
    Ah, ok, so the focus is to work on the thermal component. This doesn't bode well for a K variant 12900k if it is thermal throttling down to 3.8 but a good, binned 12900k (12900ks and 12900k chips do get the best bins) would most likely perform better clock for clock within the same PL constraints and run cooler. I do know some non k CPUs in the past had problems with multi's and UVs but without testing a K variant in there (even a 12600k) at this point we don't know for sure what is holding it back including manually setting a Vcore. Hopefully you can find a solution because a UV, delid (which has now shown consistently to shave 8-15c off the temps) and new thermal application would give it a nice chunk of thermal breathing room. I really am surprised they shipped a 230w PSU with such a system considering PL1 125w and a 140w 3070ti is well over that spec right out of the gate. I emailed RJtech to see if they're going to offer this model. Waiting to hear back.
  22. electrosoft
    Finally had time to dial down and focus on tuning these 2x16GB 4000 G.Skill sticks from @Mr. Fox Yet another lesson why you don't let Asus optimize anything in their BIOS: Asus "Optimized" memory settings: A day or so of testing and dialing in soft primaries and halfway through the terts (still a work in progress):
  23. electrosoft
    That was nice of him! Tell him to join the forums. I always liked him always switching laptops after maximizing them to their full potential.
  24. electrosoft
    Windows is definitely regressing for anyone who wants to perpetually stay under the hood. It's really starting to irk me and Ubuntu is feeling more and more like home should be. For the general masses with W1X it is all roses I suppose.
  25. electrosoft
    I'll have to give that a try too. Mem TweakIt goes nowhere atm on both my Z590 and Z690.
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