*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Reciever]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

You can probably pick them up fairly cheap. They are too old and weak for practical gaming, but still very benchable. Paired with current CPUs and RAM it is not too difficult to steal all of the HWBOT glod from the record-holders back in the day when those GPUs were current.

That was the idea, plus I actually wanted those back when they dropped but never got around to it.

 

The 2GB cards are a bit scattered in price being anywhere from 60-120 but it also works with the Morpheus II

[jaybee83]

4 hours ago, Reciever said:

That was the idea, plus I actually wanted those back when they dropped but never got around to it.

 

The 2GB cards are a bit scattered in price being anywhere from 60-120 but it also works with the Morpheus II

definitely put everything up in the marketplace here, lets give it a healthy boost 🙂 im also planning to put up parts from my lady's old machine, even found an NBT buyer for some of the parts before even posting here haha

[Ashtrix]

AMD Answers Our Zen 4 Tech Questions, with Robert Hallock

Not much new but a few bits and pieces on the chipset to those who didn't understand and AVX512 confirmation (While Intel axed it in 12900KS. if 13900K and RPL also removes the AVX512 at factory level but wasting Silicon space it's a massive bummer). And a subtle hint at Xilinx, I hope AMD makes an x86 CPU with FPGA integrated so that ARM junk can bugger off forever esp in those selected Davinci Resolve by those Apple cores and etc.

 

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What are your thoughts on 3D Vertical Cache (3DV Cache) for Zen 4?
3DV Cache will absolutely be a continuing part of our roadmap. It is not a one-off technology. We are a big believer in packaging as a competitive advantage for AMD, something that could meaningfully enhance performance for people, but we have nothing specific to announce for Zen 4 yet.

 

At Computex, you showed a 15% single-thread performance gain over the Ryzen 9 5950X. Wouldn't that only put the gaming performance on par with 5800X3D?
I think it's too early to say actually. We were deliberately conservative with our number on single-thread performance. We do intend to publish the exact breakdown of IPC vs. frequency contribution later in the summer, also including performance, power, and area on the new process. As far as what stacks up against what, I think it's too early to say, we're still in silicon bring-up.
 

Your presentation mentioned "AI acceleration." Is that AVX-512 or something more exotic, like Intel GNA?
Yes. Specifically, AVX 512 VNNI for neural networking and AVX 512 BLOAT16 for inferencing. Both are pretty nice speedups, we're not using a fixed-function acceleration, this could be something we could do with our Xilinx acquisition. We are starting to see more consumer applicability of AI workloads, like video upscaling, which has grown a lot in the last two years. I think there is a general trend for the average enthusiast to take on more AI-type workloads. The time felt right to bring these features into the chip, given we moved to a smaller process node with better performance, power, and area capabilities.
 

What can we expect from the processors in terms of CPU overclocking?
I'm not gonna make a commitment yet on frequency, but what I will say is that 5.5 GHz was very easy for us. The Ghostwire demo was one of many games that achieved that frequency on an early-silicon prototype 16-core part with an off-the-shelf liquid cooler. We're very excited about the frequency capabilities of Zen 4 on 5 nanometer; it's looking really good, more to come.

 

 

Also they confirmed that AMD PPT a.k.a PL2 for AMD, max power draw is 230W on LGA1718 (AM5).

 

AMD Corrects Socket AM5 Power Specifications: 170W TDP and 230W PPT

 

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The overall increase in power specification figures for the AM5 platform was not unexpected – part of the benefit of the move to LGA sockets is additional pins for power delivery – but this finally settles the matter of just how much power AMD's new socket and platform are designed to deliver. Motherboard vendors will no doubt go (well) past this on their high-end boards, of course, but 170W/230W will be the baseline for any motherboard that wants to officially support high-end AM5 chips.

 

CPU power consumption has been on the rise for the past several years, as we're now well into the Dark Silicon era. While an individual CPU core still only draws a modest amount of power – on the order of 20W to 30W for a high-performance core – the total power requirement quickly balloons for high-end processors, which pack upwards of 16 cores. As a result, power delivery limits are typically the constraining factor for heavily multi-threaded workloads, as CPUs have to back down on clockspeeds in order to stay within their power envelopes. Increasing platform power limits, in turn, offers more headroom for keeping more cores clocked higher more often.

 

 

Finally, it would seem that we should expect to see the Ryzen 7000 family hit that full TDP out of the gate. According to a comment from an AMD spokesperson on Reddit, the top TDP of the Ryzen 7000 series will indeed be 170 Watts, with PPTs reaching 230 Watts.

 

 

I hope those stupid YouTubers stop whining about the damn power like they are using some kind of use and throw garbage BGA dumpsters.

 

[Mr. Fox]

8 minutes ago, Ashtrix said:

I hope those stupid YouTubers stop whining about the damn power like they are using some kind of use and throw garbage BGA dumpsters.

Good luck with that. The silly turdbook jockeys are all locked up on their retarded fetishes that make no sense apart from the fact that they are in love with anemic trash incapable of supporting anything that remotely resembles awesome. It's humorous that some actually claim to be enthusiasts. It is beyond sad that some people that prefer desktops have been brainwashed by the lowest common denominators.

[electrosoft]

40 minutes ago, Ashtrix said:

AMD Answers Our Zen 4 Tech Questions, with Robert Hallock

Not much new but a few bits and pieces on the chipset to those who didn't understand and AVX512 confirmation (While Intel axed it in 12900KS. if 13900K and RPL also removes the AVX512 at factory level but wasting Silicon space it's a massive bummer). And a subtle hint at Xilinx, I hope AMD makes an x86 CPU with FPGA integrated so that ARM junk can bugger off forever esp in those selected Davinci Resolve by those Apple cores and etc.

 

 

Also they confirmed that AMD PPT a.k.a PL2 for AMD, max power draw is 230W on LGA1718 (AM5).

 

AMD Corrects Socket AM5 Power Specifications: 170W TDP and 230W PPT

 

 

I hope those stupid YouTubers stop whining about the damn power like they are using some kind of use and throw garbage BGA dumpsters.

 

 

I am so disappointed in Intel killing off AVX512 in 12th gen. Mine still has it as do many early run chips but it makes no sense especially with AMD embracing it and applicative uses still on the rise.

 

I am glad to see the TDP  jump and more importantly see a nice, healthy PL2 of 230w which, again, will blow right out the window when we get some nice OC's going.

 

It's a desktop

There are countless cooling options available

Stop focusing on power efficiency and let it soar

 

30 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Good luck with that. The silly turdbook jockeys are all locked up on their retarded fetishes that make no sense apart from the fact that they are in love with anemic trash incapable of supporting anything that remotely resembles awesome. It's humorous that some actually claim to be enthusiasts. It is beyond sad that some people that prefer desktops have been brainwashed by the lowest common denominators.

 

Thin and light is really here to stay and will continue to grow. Just about every average consumer, family member and client all want thinner and lighter and base much of their purchasing decisions around that criteria fixating on what they physically want size wise in a laptop and then searching for specs within that criteria. It is a very Apple way of approaching things but at least even Apple regressed with their new line of Macbooks and they are actually heavier and thicker than the previous generation and they are receiving rave reviews versus their predecessors.

 

I was more than happy when the market was a nice, healthy mix of proper DTRs and T&L for when you need mobility but the bean counters in their Everquest to maximize profits see the bigger, juicier profits are in cheap, throw away electronics that are still astronomically priced (I'm looking at you Alienware and Razer).

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Just about every average consumer, family member and client all want thinner and lighter and base much of their purchasing decisions around that criteria fixating on what they physically want size wise in a laptop and then searching for specs within that criteria.

Yeah, well... although they probably are not even aware of it, where PC technology is concerned it sucks to be them, LOL. I am happy to be numbered among the elitists and not one of the miscreant sheeple herd. Nice for them that ignorance is bliss. 😉 I'd rather have nothing than embrace the filth that they want.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

I like this. Looks like a great thing to use with liquid metal. It is aluminum, but it is anodized and should hold up fine.

 

[electrosoft]

30 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I like this. Looks like a great thing to use with liquid metal. It is aluminum, but it is anodized and should hold up fine.

 

 

 

Looking forward to your results.

 

Is that IHS lapped or is that LM soak discoloration?

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

45 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

Looking forward to your results.

 

Is that IHS lapped or is that LM soak discoloration?

 

 

It is lapped.

 

I think there is enough difference in height between the top of the IHS and the frame for me to border it in Kapton tape. If there is, I am going to do that just to avoid any remote chance of corrosion with the aluminum frame. 

 

I put it back together using the same application of KPX that was on it before and temps are fine. No issues that I can see so far. Maybe tomorrow I will replace the KPX with Liquid Pro.

 

[Papusan]

20 hours ago, electrosoft said:

It's a desktop

There are countless cooling options available

Stop focusing on power efficiency and let it soar

Their main focus is on maximum profits and market shares. And that’s where the Jokebook chips come in. Re-use same chips for desktops only make sense. For them. Not the power enthusiasts. 100% more baby cores for coming laptops is the only option they have to stay within the TDP target for laptops cooling. More P-cores would push all cores boost clock frequency down the drain. 
 

AMD will offer an 40% performance increase for 7000 series chips. And Alder lake can barely offer same performance as AMDs soon EOL chips from 2020. Raptor lake won’t be able to offer a 40% performance increase over Alder lake. And Intel will once again be pushed back to before AMD started with Ryzen chips. 1 steps forward and two steps backwards with those modern E-cores. Awful progress. People asked for more cores. And Intel delivered, LOOL
 

More bling bling…. People can’t get enough….

 

The drive comes with resplendent RGB lighting and includes software support combined with a selection of materials and styling to sell as a 'gaming' drive that will compete for a spot on our list of best external SSDs. 

Lexar SL660 Blaze 1TB Portable SSD Review: Taking a Stand with RGB

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

6 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

More bling bling…. People can’t get enough….

So, I guess this means we should soon be able to purchase RGB toothbrushes and toilet paper dispensers.

 

This kind of stupid **** is why overclocking enthusiasts just can't have nice things. The mentality behind it leaves no space for awesome because it is preoccuppied by stupid and their mental capacity was already severely limited.

[Mr. Fox]

So, when I was fiddling with Wraith yesterday and installing that ILM frame I changed a couple of things. I added a thermal pad between the water block and memory jackets on my RAM cooling and adding a pad made the RAM temperatures higher by 2°C under a TM5 stress test versus bare metal-to-metal contact, LOL. So, I guess I will remove the thermal pad and go back to using nothing.

 

I never cared for the veritcal orientation of my water sensor meter, so I moved the EK distribution manifold over to right a smidgen to make room for horizontal mounting. I think it looks a lot better this way versus how it looked before.

 

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[Papusan]

On 5/16/2022 at 7:55 PM, Papusan said:

And should you wait for 4090 Ti that Nvidia will most likely offer later (refresh/milking?) a year before next gen 5000 series cards pop up? Could be since they probably will release the cards a bit earlier than the normal. 

 

Isn't it nice? 3090Ti K|ngp|n cards is barely out and we may see the 4000 series cards (4090 rumored to offer 90% higher performance vs 3090Ti) well within 3-6 months. 

 

I expect it's a golden opportunity for Nvidia to give the 4000 series cards a real price hike if they at same time continue produce and sell 3000 series cards. Rumors say that Nvidia will continue with 3000 cards forwards to help the gamers to have a chance to buy cards. I rather think they will use this opportunity to puh the MSRP higher than ever for next gen cards. Isn't this what we call Greed ?

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/294910/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-twice-as-fast-as-rtx-3090-features-16128-cuda-cores-and-450w-tdp

 

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-with-16128-cuda-cores-and-450w-tdp-is-allegedly-twice-as-fast-as-rtx-3090

 

So it is likely that Nvidia would save it for a "4090 Ti" refresh down the line.

 

Waiting for the Ti just means it’s just below 6-10 months before a possible 5000 series release. Having the best from Nvidia’s graphics cards isn’t as before.

 

And Nvidia isn’t finished with similar scams as they did with the 3080@castrated Vram. Even their cheaper SKUs get same treatment. 
 

The card is rated for a total graphics power (TGP) of 200 W, which is about 30 W higher than that of the RTX 3060. 

That catch here, though, is the 192-bit 8 GB of GDDR6X VRAM. We are not quite sure as to why the RTX 4060 is rumored to offer 4 GB less VRAM than the RTX 3060

 

https://www.notebookcheck.net/More-Nvidia-Lovelace-RTX-4090-RTX-4080-and-RTX-4070-specs-leak-RTX-4060-also-rears-its-head-but-with-4-GB-less-VRAM-than-RTX-3060.622558.0.html

[Mr. Fox]

3 minutes ago, Papusan said:

So it is likely that Nvidia would save it for a "4090 Ti" refresh down the line.

 

Waiting for the Ti just means it’s just below 6-10 months before a possible 5000 series release. Having the best from Nvidia’s graphics cards isn’t as before. 
 

https://www.notebookcheck.net/More-Nvidia-Lovelace-RTX-4090-RTX-4080-and-RTX-4070-specs-leak-RTX-4060-also-rears-its-head-but-with-4-GB-less-VRAM-than-RTX-3060.622558.0.html

What they did (releasing a 3090 Ti) is the height of betrayal and ultimately a show of disrespect and customer hatred.

 

I think the best way to get a new graphics card is to wait and buy one used from last generation. You can still have the best, but wait and buy last generation best. Same thought process for buying automobiles. Better to let someone less intelligent absorb the loss on depreciation and take it off their hands later for pennies on the dollar.

[Papusan]

14 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

What they did (releasing a 3090 Ti) is the height of betrayal and ultimately a show of disrespect and customer hatred.

 

I think the best way to get a new graphics card is to wait and buy one used from last generation. You can still have the best, but wait and buy last generation best. Same thought process for buying automobiles. Better to let someone less intelligent absorb the loss on depreciation and take it off their hands later for pennies on the dollar.

It will be easier for the gamers now when the miners is gone. And equal harder for Nvidia. Buy older gen cards will hit Nvidia hard. Maybe we will see a new way to castrate gaming performance on cards that isn’t the newest? Or maybe they will try sell in new tech as they did with RT? This is their only solution to stop the downwards spiral for profits. They even showed lower income forwards. People should buy more used items. Correct bro @jaybee83 ? 😀

[jaybee83]

8 hours ago, Papusan said:

It will be easier for the gamers now when the miners is gone. And equal harder for Nvidia. Buy older gen cards will hit Nvidia hard. Maybe we will see a new way to castrate gaming performance on cards that isn’t the newest? Or maybe they will try sell in new tech as they did with RT? This is their only solution to stop the downwards spiral for profits. They even showed lower income forwards. People should buy more used items. Correct bro @jaybee83 ? 😀

i must admit, the thought actually has crossed my mind to get a 3090 Ti once 4000 series is out. itll really depend on the nextgen pricing vs. price drop on 30 series cards (if any). at the same time, after having saved up for 2.5 years i just wanna spoil myself for once and get the best of the best 😛 this, of course, is with the thought to maximize the base for future upgrades and get max lifetime out of the system (just like im doing currently with my Dark Knight 😉 )

 

in any case, its ridiculous that Nvidia is now "shocked and desperate" after the TOTALLY EXPECTED downfall of a) mining b) pandemic-related hardware craze c) having a monopol on high-end graphics cards (AMD aint happy either but i think their mining impact was somewhat lesser due to far lower total volumes of cards in circulation).

[Papusan]

31 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

in any case, its ridiculous that Nvidia is now "shocked and desperate" after the TOTALLY EXPECTED downfall of a) mining b) pandemic-related hardware craze c) having a monopol on high-end graphics cards (AMD aint happy either but i think their mining impact was somewhat lesser due to far lower total volumes of cards in circulation).

If the miners is gone and with hardened competition between Nvidia, AMD and now with Intel maybe the gamers can win in the disgusting game as well. It will be harder for Nvidia forwards, that’s for sure. 

[Mr. Fox]

On 5/27/2022 at 9:24 PM, electrosoft said:

 

 

Looking forward to your results.

 

Is that IHS lapped or is that LM soak discoloration?

 

 

 

On 5/27/2022 at 9:59 PM, Mr. Fox said:

I put it back together using the same application of KPX that was on it before and temps are fine. No issues that I can see so far. Maybe tomorrow I will replace the KPX with Liquid Pro.

Well now... this is certainly interesting. I guess the added thermal conductivity of liquid metal wasn't necessary because the contact was already perfect and the KPX did not create a "bottleneck" or insulative effect. The only way you can really tell it is not the same Cinebench run is the score and Windows  time on the taskbar. Compare the overall and individual core temps. Totally unexpected.

[Mr. Fox]

A fellow on overclock.net was trading messages with me and asked if the silver aluminum heat sink on the kit I sold to @electrosoftand the one on my Z490 Dark actually makes a difference. He is considering doing the mod because his RAM kit has the crappy G.SKILL factory "heat sink" that is eseentially worthless. 

 

This is exactly as expected, but it is nice to have proof that it works rather than the belief that it should. About 2°C cooler with the finned aluminum heat sink versus without.

[jaybee83]

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

Well now... this is certainly interesting. I guess the added thermal conductivity of liquid metal wasn't necessary because the contact was already perfect and the KPX did not create a "bottleneck" or insulative effect. The only way you can really tell it is not the same Cinebench run is the score and Windows  time on the taskbar. Compare the overall and individual core temps. Totally unexpected.

cant improve on perfection i guess....can only make it worse haha 

[electrosoft]

11 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

A fellow on overclock.net was trading messages with me and asked if the silver aluminum heat sink on the kit I sold to @electrosoftand the one on my Z490 Dark actually makes a difference. He is considering doing the mod because his RAM kit has the crappy G.SKILL factory "heat sink" that is eseentially worthless. 

 

This is exactly as expected, but it is nice to have proof that it works rather than the belief that it should. About 2°C cooler with the finned aluminum heat sink versus without.

 

 

With those killer heatsinks installed, the dual rank 4000 sticks I bought from you run cooler at 4000 than the single rank G.skill sticks I have run at 4000 with the G.Skill covers running TM5 exteme or aida by ~3c in my system and that is with the top heatsink removed since I am running a x4 dimm slot board vs x2.

 

 

[electrosoft]

20 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

i must admit, the thought actually has crossed my mind to get a 3090 Ti once 4000 series is out. itll really depend on the nextgen pricing vs. price drop on 30 series cards (if any). at the same time, after having saved up for 2.5 years i just wanna spoil myself for once and get the best of the best 😛 this, of course, is with the thought to maximize the base for future upgrades and get max lifetime out of the system (just like im doing currently with my Dark Knight 😉 )

 

in any case, its ridiculous that Nvidia is now "shocked and desperate" after the TOTALLY EXPECTED downfall of a) mining b) pandemic-related hardware craze c) having a monopol on high-end graphics cards (AMD aint happy either but i think their mining impact was somewhat lesser due to far lower total volumes of cards in circulation).

 

I'm starting to think an end cycle approach might be the best bet going forward. Wait to upgrade at the end of each cycle vs the beginning. Better pricing, availability and all the bugs and issues have been worked out and you're getting a card with the highest level of maturity and refinements and driver optimizations.

 

I've thought about getting a 3090ti KPE and not upgrading till end cycle of 4000 in a few years to whatever is the best then too. You could also just wait till launch and by the last, best card if you want potentially used.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

3DMark 11 Physics: https://hwbot.org/submission/5007313_

3DMark 11 Performance: https://hwbot.org/submission/5007318_

3DMark 11 Extreme: https://hwbot.org/submission/5007319_

HOF Rankings (for some reason my best Physics result isn't listed, only my second-best is)

[Clamibot]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

I'm starting to think an end cycle approach might be the best bet going forward. Wait to upgrade at the end of each cycle vs the beginning. Better pricing, availability and all the bugs and issues have been worked out and you're getting a card with the highest level of maturity and refinements and driver optimizations.

 

I've thought about getting a 3090ti KPE and not upgrading till end cycle of 4000 in a few years to whatever is the best then too. You could also just wait till launch and by the last, best card if you want potentially used.

 

 

 

This is a very good approach to take. This is what me and one of my buddies call the N - 1 approach. Staying just a bit behind the latest and greatest typically gives you most of the performance of the newest generation while cosing much less, sometimes half if you snag a really good deal while stock is being cleared.

 

CPUs a generation behind are typically 90-95% as powerful as the current generation unless there is some major progress like a node shrink, in which case you should just wait for the node refinement generation that comes the year after to get a CPU from this year's generation.

 

As for GPUs, every generation is typically significantly more powerful than the last, but you can get really good deals on GPUs as stock is being cleared in preparation for the next generation of parts.

 

I used to always like being as current as possible, but that costs too much. I'd rather get something that can fit my needs while being reasonably priced. I also still want to be able to play around with overclocking in addition to that 😁.

[Talon]

Just got my new Intel Arc 3 A350M. https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1525083

 

Destroyed my 3090 Ti score. 😁