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    The only thing Xeon brought really brought over Core H series CPUs (in prior generations) was ECC memory support. Alder Lake general consumer CPUs support ECC memory (...if the chipset/PCH supports it...) so there is likely no need to release Xeons. On the desktop side, systems with a Core i5/i7/i9 Alder Lake CPU and the W680 chipset will support ECC memory. Not quite clear on the specifics of how this is going to work on the laptop side yet, but I am suspecting that Precision 7X70 will support ECC memory without requiring a Xeon, and there will actually be no Xeon option available.
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    I have Sabrent Rocket Q 4TB in my work Precision 7560. It fits and works fine. I have seen reports that double-sided drives like this do not fit in XPS-style systems. I am not sure if that is still the case with the latest ones. (I think Dell is offering a 4TB option in Precision 5770? Who knows what model or if it is double-sided.)
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    I've been wondering if this difference will be even greater on the mobile side where thermal/power limits are more in play to push down the max clock speed of the P cores. ... In another note, Sabrent Rocket Plus 8TB drives have just recently became available. This is a possible option for people who want a very high capacity NVMe drive. While 8TB drives have been available for a while now, this is the first TLC option, the first PCIe4 option, and it has 8192 GB capacity (instead of 8000 GB). And while it is definitely on the pricey side... It's still costs less than what Dell is asking for a 4TB. Preview
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    Seems likely. You can do so on Dell desktops with Alder Lake. All Precision laptops I have used have a BIOS option to select how many cores are active. (You can still use Windows 10 with E cores enabled. The issue seems to be mostly having to do with low priority processes/threads getting locked to E cores only, which is a problem if they are also computationally intensive. Disabling E cores is one of a few different workaround options.)
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    Yeah, this is not expected until Intel officially unveils the Alder Lake HX CPUs. If I had to guess, I’d say maybe another 4-6 weeks? (That’d be just until an announcement, not necessarily actual ordering.) I’ve sort of been figuring that my 7770 will arrive in July… Earlier would be a bonus, but I don’t see it being before June.
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    Sounds like you can recover by removing the coin cell battery (resetting BIOS settings / NVRAM)? Too bad they put that in a ridiculously difficult to reach spot. It used to be accessible just by opening the laptop bottom cover... Anyway, the "bricking" described in the post is a bit different than what I experienced. I had the system blinking the keyboard backlight on and off every 15-20 seconds. It wouldn't stop until I disconnected the main battery. (Holding the power button down had no effect.)
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    @Dell-Mano_G Thank you. I assume that means that all of these systems will have the choice to ship out with Windows 10 preinstalled?
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    @Dell-Mano_G, since the systems have been announced now, can you comment on Dell's plans to support Windows 10 on newer model PCs?
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    Spec sheets. https://www.delltechnologies.com/asset/en-us/products/workstations/technical-support/precision-3571-spec-sheet.pdf https://www.delltechnologies.com/asset/en-us/products/workstations/technical-support/precision-5470-spec-sheet.pdf https://www.delltechnologies.com/asset/en-us/products/workstations/technical-support/precision-5570-spec-sheet.pdf https://www.delltechnologies.com/asset/en-us/products/workstations/technical-support/precision-5770-spec-sheet.pdf (3570 doesn't seem to have the same URL structure, if it's even out there yet.) Anyway, 5770 shows Windows 10 as an option, but 5470 and 5570 do not. Maybe their plans to support Intel Arc make the difference? Spec sheets have been off before, too. We'll see what the options are when these become available to order. I was thinking about this recently too. By my count, they announced sixteen new models today across the Latitude and Precision lines. (Not to mention existing lines like XPS, Inspiron, etc... or Precision 7000 which has not refreshed yet.) For comparison, I hopped over to Apple and it looks like they have four laptop models on sale right now. I know Dell is trying to fill all of these different niches, and a broader range of niches than Apple at that, but it seems like they could consolidate some.
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    Hello! Precision 3570 and 3571 announced. Also launching in April. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-Precision-3570-and-Precision-3571-mobile-workstations-announced-with-Intel-Alder-Lake-and-latest-Nvidia-workstation-GPUs.611020.0.html 3570 has Alder Lake U and Alder Lake P CPU options (lower power limit than Alder Lake H), an RTX A500 GPU option, and 16:9 displays (768p through 4K). 3571 gets Alder Lake H and GPU choices are T600, A1000, and A2000. Found spec sheets for 3570 and 3571 as well. Windows 10 is listed, looks like users won't have to jump through hoops to manually install if they would prefer to use it. (Will be looking for Precision 5000 spec sheets in a bit...) [Edit] Looks like there has been no change to the keyboard in the Precision 357X (compared to Precision 7X50/7X60). It has the same issues with Home/End and PgUp/PgDn.
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    I checked the current Precision 5760 and it does similarly force you into a dGPU configuration if you choose the i9 CPU. These systems have both the CPU and GPU soldered onto the motherboard, effectively making each CPU/GPU combination a different motherboard "part". They probably (understandably) want to reduce the number of different motherboard variations that they have to produce. ... I checked out the three new docks and all of them appear to be limited to <100W power delivery (power from the dock to the laptop).
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    No real surprises in the Precision 5X70 line. Alder Lake H CPUs (up to i9-12900H, 6P+8E, which is available in all three systems) (No Xeon) GPU: 5770 gets RTX A2000 (8GB) or RTX A3000 (16GB) 5570 gets RTX A1000 (4GB) or RTX A2000 (8GB) 5470 gets RTX A1000 (4GB) (Integrated graphics only options also available; indication that Intel Arc GPUs will be available in at least the 5470, but at a later date.) Up to 64GB DDR5 RAM (in all three systems) (No explicit ECC... but DDR5 includes ECC as part of the spec, for addressing errors in storage but not errors during transmission.) 16:10 displays 5770, 5570 – FHD+, 4K+ 5470 – FHD+ or 2560×1600 All 60 Hz, 500 nits Thunderbolt 4 ports, SD card slot & 3.5mm audio Wi-Fi 6E, Bluetooth 5.2 130W PSU (not sure about 5470, but there is mention of 150W fast charging via USB-C) Battery: 5770 – Up to 97 Wh 5570 – Up to 86 Wh 5470 – Up to 73 Wh 5770 and 5570 look basically the same as the recently launched XPS 17 and XPS 15 systems, just with NVIDIA's "RTX A series" GPUs instead of GeForce GPUs; basically what we are used to from the Precision 5000 line. 5470 doesn't appear to have an XPS cousin, though, unless I am missing something? It is 14", and the soon-to-launch "XPS 13 Plus" has a chassis that is clearly different.
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    To answer my own question, I found the press release RSS feed, which doesn't seem to catch "everything" they release but it does include the products from today. https://investors.delltechnologies.com/rss/news-releases.xml
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    Precision 5X70 series announced. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-Precision-5470-announced-with-Intel-Alder-Lake-H-processors-an-Nvidia-RTX-A1000-GPU-and-more.610927.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-s-newest-Precision-5570-laptop-is-now-official-with-Nvidia-s-mobile-workstation-graphics-cards-a-UHD-screen-and-plenty-of-Thunderbolt-ports.610928.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-Precision-5770-High-end-business-laptop-announced-with-Intel-Alder-Lake-processors-and-a-touch-enabled-4K-screen.610929.0.html https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/03/dell-latitude-precision-pcs-claim-30-lower-latency-with-dual-network-connection/ Will digest and post back. [Edit] Also, a new phone-charging dock? https://arstechnica.com/?p=1844136 And some monitors. https://arstechnica.com/?p=1844382 New Latitude laptops. https://investors.delltechnologies.com/news-releases/news-release-details/new-latitude-5000-series-are-dells-most-sustainable-laptops-yet Full list of announced products. (There's the mysterious HD22Q dock that @SvenC noticed.)
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    Welcome, and thanks for posting. There goes my supposition that Microsoft is blocking Windows 10 preinstalls on Alder Lake systems. I didn't realize that 12th gen desktop Precision systems are available now. And sure enough, there they are, shipping with Windows 10. Went to check the support site and they are offering drivers for both Windows 10 and Windows 11. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens with the laptops. (At work, we also just finally got rid of the last Windows 7 deployments earlier this year.) I actually just purchased a Process Lasso license last week. Very nifty tool. (To anyone unfamiliar — you can use this tool to set priority or affinity settings for an EXE/process and have them automatically applied every time that process starts.) I'm actually planning to use it sort of in reverse, to make sure that certain background processes that like to occasionally gobble CPU cycles are constrained to the E cores only. But, it could be handy to keep apps off of the E cores if they are having performance trouble. —————————————————————————————————————————————— ...Anyone know of a good way to get new hardware/system announcements straight from Dell? Their news site and blog seem to be useless for this purpose. As an example, there is no mention of the Alder Lake XPS 15 & XPS 17 refresh that just happened recently at those locations. Yet, every article that I have read says something along the lines of "Dell has announced the availability of the new XPS 15 & XPS 17 systems...". They must have some sort of press outlet that I'm not seeing. Would have been nice to know about the launch of these Precision desktops without having to go constantly look at what's for sale. It didn't even appear on the more general tech news sites that I follow. —————————————————————————————————————————————— Just got this parcel delivered... Got a good deal on this drive and wanted to hop on it. Plan to use this as my system drive in the Precision 7770, in the hopefully not-too-distant future. (Still need to pick up some high-capacity data drives as well. Haven't fully settled on which model to get.)
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    ...There's a lot of whining in this thread. A lot of it is justified. But removing USB storage media support from Windows is not something that's going to happen.
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    All I have are the chassis images and references to the system model number from various documentation. I can only speculate on what the specs will be like... That's in the top post in this thread. I have a variety of news alerts set up so if anything new pops up, I should hear about it pretty quickly and I'll repost here. While I might not be on quite the same page with regards to the "crappiness" level of Microsoft software... (Oh, they have their moments, but they've kicked out some quality stuff too)... This is quite on point regarding the direction of Windows, well said. —————————————————————————————————————————————— Watched the Intel presentation, which ended up being a pre-recorded video that they just dropped on schedule ... not a live presentation. About 20 minutes long. They're launching new "Arc A series" GPUs for laptops, split into three groups: Arc 3 – Thin & light laptops – Available now Arc 5 & Arc 7 – Beefier laptops – Available in "early summer" (Desktop GPUs will also be available in the summer.) Specific GPUs launching now: A350M - 6 Xe cores, 6 ray tracing units, 4GB vRAM A370M - 8 Xe cores, 8 ray tracing units, 4GB vRAM They're claiming that popular titles can run at 1080p/60FPS on the A370M. No comment on what detail/settings levels they are using to achieve that... but the gameplay that they showed did look nice and fluid. Future GPUs: They did not compare performance with offerings from NVIDIA or AMD. You can only use this to sort of gauge the relative performance of the Arc GPUs but not performance compared to GPUs from other vendors. They talked up XeSS which we've known about for a while. XeSS also won't be available until summer and it will require game devs to specifically support it (like DLSS). It wasn't mentioned in the presentation, but XeSS doesn't require an Intel GPU to use. Takeaway — Glad to see another player in the dGPU space, maybe "for real" this time (even if I don't plan on getting an Intel dGPU anytime soon... competition is good). Disappointing (but not surprising) that they're only launching the low-end GPUs right now, and the midrange/high-end GPUs are still months out. The Dell Precision 5470 leaked spec sheet above mentions an "A30M Pro" Arc GPU. I wonder if that was supposed to be A350M or A370M, or if that one line refers to both GPUs, or if the workstation ("Pro") GPUs will have slightly different branding / model numbers? They (very briefly) showed systems from HP, Samsung, Lenovo, ASUS, and Acer in the presentation. The first laptop shipping with an Intel Arc GPU is the Samsung Galaxy Book2 Pro. There didn't seem to be a big pile of system announcements happening all at once like we often see when Intel drops a new mobile CPU line. Nothing (yet) from Dell as far as I can tell. Dell announcements may be held until tomorrow, when they are having a thing. There are a lot of speakers so I guess it will be multiple hours long. I don't have time to watch it live but I'll be looking out for system announcements in my news feed... (Not expecting anything on Precision 7X70 just yet but the 3000 and 5000 lines are now fair game I'd say.)
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    Agreed. I hate this conundrum, ha. In the past, I have been a champion of new versions of Windows. Here I am pushing for Windows 8, which despite its unfortunate UI, actually brought a number of legitimate improvements with it. Windows 11 brings more baggage along with it than actual improvements (IMO). This is the first time since XP that I have not upgraded right away. Everyone has to decide for themselves if the new "features" and hardware support outweighs the downsides of Windows 11. This scale will likely tip over time — for example as more software starts making use of P vs. E cores as you say, and also as Microsoft continues to bring new actual features to Windows 11. Users can always stick with Windows 10 for now and upgrade later when it makes more sense — you aren't locked in to a certain OS when you pick up a new system. (And if the upgrade never "makes sense" then I guess a switch to Linux might be worth a serious look.) Myself, I will wait for the next Windows LTSC release and then likely upgrade right away, and at that point just figure out what I am going to do about anything that still gives me misgivings. Back to the topic at hand. The Intel Arc presentation is in less than three hours. More news relating to the new laptops (of some kind of another) is likely coming today...
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    Well understood regarding Thread Director support not coming from a driver — I stated as much towards the end of my post. This is specifically why I said "most of" in the segment that you quote. And what I've also been trying to get at is — Windows 10 doesn't support Thread Director (presently) but it doesn't matter as much as Intel/Microsoft would have you think, judging by independent tests. The other features that you mention, having to do with GPU support, will likely not factor in to many (but not all) of the new Precision configurations, especially on the 7000-line. If you buy a system with an NVIDIA dGPU then it will work just as well with Windows 10 as it will with Windows 11 from that aspect. Dell could certainly limit systems with Arc dGPUs to Windows 11 only... if they were allowed to offer Windows 10 at all. There's precedent for offering systems with unsupported features anyway — I can point back once again to the Dell Precision M6700, which was offered with Windows XP, but also supports NVIDIA Optimus (that doesn't work with XP). XP users were expected to disable Optimus in the BIOS and run with the dGPU only.
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    Earlier in this thread. There are photos of the chassis. https://notebooktalk.net/topic/23-precision-7670-7770-pre-release-discussion-alder-lake/?do=findComment&comment=3054 Never expected Dell to wait for Microsoft for anything. The business with Dell not making Windows 10 available is a new thing which (IMO) seems like it must be because of OEM restrictions from Microsoft. Windows 10 has been around for a while so it hasn't been an "issue" lately, but I could point back to: Dell Precision 7X20 (2017) was offered with Windows 7 (2009) preinstalled Dell Precision M4700/M6700 (2012) were offered with Windows XP (2001) preinstalled They know there would be a strong interest from users for sticking with Windows 10 for now (especially among business users), which is likely why there is mention to DGR/downgrade rights in the spec sheet above. I've been very interested to see what Dell (and other OEMs) do about this "situation". And I've been talking about it in this thread because the situation with Windows 10 and Alder Lake will be of high interest to some users considering purchases of new Alder Lake systems. Windows itself does offer some degree of "modularity" in the sense that most of what is needed to support a new hardware platform with an existing version of Windows is just a proper set of drivers, which are not on Microsoft to produce (and which is why these examples that I have posted here worked). Microsoft wants to keep people moving forward so they have added artificial restrictions to move things along. This started with them blocking Windows Update on Windows 7/8 on systems with newer CPUs, in 2016 I believe (Intel 7th-gen CPUs). Dell offered Precision 7X20 with both 6th- and 7th-gen CPUs specifically so that people would have a Windows 7 option available. So, today, as for "compatibility" between Windows 10 and Alder Lake... You can't really argue that they are incompatible, even if Thread Director support is not backported. Numerous users have confirmed that Windows 10 runs fine on Alder Lake. Thread Director is the wrench here because support for it comes from Windows itself and not from a third-party driver. But, Windows 10 is aware of and runs on hybrid CPU architectures (support added for Intel Lakefield). Really, the only real downside is Windows 10's "unfortunate" default behavior for scheduling high-CPU low-priority processes (Handbrake example). I've discussed that all already. @addabis was right. Discussion is fine, disagreement is fine, but insulting other users not fine.
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    Very much looking forward to this one, so sad to hear, but all cool if the game ends up better off for it…
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    Maxwell is the oldest supported architecture from NVIDIA right now, so it is reasonable to expect that they'll stop supporting it within the next ≈2 years. (Maxwell GPUs first appeared in 2014, so that is a pretty good long run of support.) However, no reason that you cannot continue using it for some time after NVIDIA stops releasing new drivers. It's not very often that new games require a certain brand-new NVIDIA driver version in order to run. An open question is whether they will split the end of support timeframe for mobile and desktop GPUs like they did with Kepler. (Kepler laptop GPU support ended in early 2019, but desktop support continued through later in 2021.)
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    Works in Edge for me (no Malwarebytes here though). Probably something to do with the domain name change... Anyway, I'm glad for a new BIOS release but given what happened with my replacement motherboard & 1.8.0, I'll be waiting a few weeks to see if they end up pulling this one before installing it.
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    Dell Precision 5470 leaked spec sheet. https://www.ithome.com/0/609/962.htm Notable — Intel Arc graphics option. (Intel Arc presentation coming from Intel on March 30.) No idea if A30M Pro would be "better" or "worse" than the RTX A1000. No option for Windows 10... but I think "with DGR" refers to downgrade rights. It might be the case that we see Windows 10 support for this generation of systems in the form of drivers, but you won't be able to configure the systems at order time to ship with Windows 10. (...Likely an OEM agreement restriction from MS.)
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    @Dell-Mano_G has created an account. I am going to make sure that he knows about the URL change once it happens and hopefully he will stop by for Q&A (after there is an official announcement).
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