Mr. Fox

On 3/9/2022 at 10:11 AM, Steerpike said:

I used to be in corporate IT and had access to all manner of media and licenses, but now I'm a lowly 'home user' and I presume I'm stuck with Windows 10 Pro unless I'm willing to pay for extra licenses (and pay more than once, by the sound of it). 

 

To be honest, I've been using Win 10 Pro for over 5 years and it's been remarkably stable. I don't use the 'store', don't use 'cortana', and it seems pretty stable. MS keep nagging me to switch to a Microsoft Account, and that's pretty much the extent of my struggles with it. 

 

On 3/21/2022 at 6:49 AM, Katja said:

Do we know if the scheduler for Alder Lake will be making its way to LTSC at some point? It's absolutely silly to ask, and given LTSC doesn't get feature updates I don't think it'd get it, but doesn't hurt to ask.

 

I'd really rather not use Win11 when my new system is delivered, but it's most likely I'll be running Enterprise.

Honestly, the Winduhz 11 "scheduler" doesn't seem to do a damn thing as far as I can tell. My 12900K performs better with Windows 7, Windows 10 LTSC 2019 and Windows 10 LTSC 2021 than it does with Winduhz 11. I can't point to one single thing that makes Winduhz 11 a better OS to use. Not one. Don't waste your time with it. It's a piece of crap.

So, I played around with Linux a little more. Installed 7 Windows games from Steam, chosen completely at random, and the only one that did not work was Gears 5. These are the only 7 I have tried and 6 out of 7 ain't bad. Bright Memory Infinite, Crysis Remastered, Death Stranding,  Doom Eternal, Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition and Quake 2 RTX all played well. Only Crysis Remastered had a low framerate for the quality of my hardware.

37 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Yes, you are right about it not being for the Z690 so I can't totally be mad about that, but one needs to be careful when one does not release what the software is doing on newer platforms.

 

In other news. My Kingpin pump went out and this is my new card. It seems i have finally gotten a "God" roll on a card.

 

Also found a Hydrocopper water block which says it should be here later today....but that is suspect on the arrival time.

Nice! Glad you got a good sample on the GPU replacement. 🙂 

I had trouble with EVGA Eleet X1 on Z590 as well. Apparently it works correctly with an 11th Gen CPU, but it is totally goofed up using an 10th Gen CPU on the Z590 board. Eleet X1 works perfectly for my Z490 Dark with the corresponding 10900K CPU mated with the proper chipset. Fortunately, we don't have to rely on software like a laptop jockey does. Except for some quick fine-tuning of settings that are already pretty much dialed in using the BIOS I don't use Windows software for CPU and memory overclocking. But, when it works it is nice/convenient.

I use Dragon Power and Dragon Ball and similar competitor's software mainly to view  what current BIOS settings are applied and for capturing those settings in screenshots that I save for future reference, etc. Most of the time I make the actual adjustment directly in the firmware.

47 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Mine is locked at 1.435V.

 

yes, that it does. Just wish you could do bclk and core at the same time.

 

Also to add. The software seems flakey. If you change performance core it changes 4 of the E cores to the same speed as the performance cores.

I do not think the program was actually designed for Z690. Likewise, Dragon Ball works for realtime memory tweaks except when it doesn't. About 75% of the time Dragon Ball works. When it doesn't work, you can change the settings in the software, but they are not applied. 

MSI Center UWP bloatware is even more buggy and also screws everything up with e-cores. I have that bloated piece of crap utility installed on my disposable OS for testing and I do not hesitate to call it rubbish. It is not as bad as ASUS Armory Crate in terms of foolishly wasting system restores with worthless bloat running in the background, but it is still pretty poopy. I sure do wish that the OEMs would knock it off with all of the horrible Winduhz Store digital garbage. None of it is worth a damn. All they are accomplishing is demonstrating how incompetent they have become and making end users unhappy and frustrated about it in the process. They'd be smart to go back to making standalone x86 and x64 software utilities. The classic form of software development is far superior to the new UWP filth. Intel Control Center, XTU, NVIDIA Control Panel, Realtek Control Panel... all of the new stuff like that which is being distributed through Micro$lop's Store is totally junk.

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

Are you able to get past that 1.435 volts using that software?

I haven't tried to use the software to set it higher than that. I have set it higher in the BIOS, but haven't use that software for changing RAM voltage, only CPU voltage and core clocks. I should see if it is capped in the software. Have you tried, and if so was it limited?

Unrelated subject - I sure do LOVE this remote "Tuning Controller" control panel thing. It works excellent.

1 hour ago, Rage Set said:

Getting there. A little better. I am going to run a memtest on it tomorrow but it "appears" super stable. 

That's looking pretty sweet, bro,

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Yep. No baby cores for the next AMD flagship and increased TDP.

With AMD sheeple like this tree-hugging retard having a voice, we can expect more trash in the days ahead from the RGB Squad (RGB Squad: Red=AMD, Green=NVIDIA and Blue=Intel.) 

36 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Or just use your smatphone (you have it always with you). And  then you have Macrium reflect. A phone is needed if you have an Jokebook. Not sure you can use a a capture software to take bios screenshots on laptops. 

The list of things wrong with laptops seems to be endless. The only way for BIOS capture on a laptop is to use an HDMI capture card and capture the output to an external monitor. But, that usually will not work on a laptop with Optimus because no external display output is available in the BIOS with hybrid graphics, only the laptop internal display works until you reach the Windows or Linux desktop.

19 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Oh that will be quite appreciated!

It certainly has me totally spoiled. Just remember that your saved profiles are BIOS-version specific. You cannot apply the saved profiles from one BIOS version to a newer or older version. That's where the recording of your custom settings or screenshots become valuable. Flashing the firmware will also erase any profiles saved in the firmware environment, but if you saved them to USB they are easily imported as long as the BIOS version is the same.

15 minutes ago, Reciever said:

 

Its old fashioned but I found somethings are just easier to write down. I have 3 small notebooks, one for logins, one for cart reference / knowledge / mostly CEL codes and how to troubleshoot them / last is general. Which is where my profiles and such get written down.

 

One thing not to forget with the prior Witcher 3 test, your max may not have improved to a noticeable level in gaming but the other to check is how your minimums might have changed? Almost more important in the eyes of some though I imagine it may be preference (like many other things out there!).

One of the nice things about good desktop motherboards is the fact that you can save your BIOS overclocck profiles in NVRAM as well as export them to external storage. As far as taking notes to preserve information, I don't write things down much with a keyboard and far less with pen and paper, but I do save lots of screenshots to capture things I don't want to lose track of.

I go for many  months without using a pen and paper for anything and I sign my name to something maybe once or twice a year, at most. I used to have impressive penmanship and got compliments all of the time about beautiful handwriting and now it is difficult because I so seldom write anything. It feels awkward and clumsy to hold a pen or pencil in my hand.

That is kind of sad when you stop and think about it. Our digital culture de-evolution is causing it. Even more sad is the fact that school kids no longer learn cursive handwriting as part of their so-called public school education. It has been removed from the curriculum in most venues. In fact, my grandkids were specifically told NOT to use cursive writing and were threatened with getting lower scores on handwritten tests if they recorded their answers using cursive handwriting.

1 minute ago, Papusan said:

Yep. all is about the marketing. And as you know.... It works 😞

People go to college and earn degrees that prove their effectiveness in the art of deception that they call marketing.

Unfortunately, there are no college courses that equip graduates to be resistant to it. There is no deliverance from their natural inclination to remain stupid in spite of credentials that suggest that somehow they are not.

7 minutes ago, Papusan said:

The only drawback is high latency and not much gain in much people do on their computers. Even not a big gain in benchmarks vs a proper DDR4 kit. But I expect people are very hanged up in big numbers🙂 Just look at the smille in the face on many of the Jokebook jockey's. And the very low voltage for DDR5 is a joke. This increase fast once you clock up your ram sticks. 1.1V looks good on the papers but not so sure many is able to run a decent oc's on their sticks with that voltage.

 

 

Yes, it is all about manipulating  consumer perception and clever marketing. Good results only happen by accident. If and when they actually occur, they are simply a nice coincidence.

How much DIMM voltage did you need for that RAM overclock?

The screenshot got severely stripped and degraded by the forum so the actual numbers are difficult to read because of the poor resolution.

49 minutes ago, Tenoroon said:

I appologize for asking here, as I don’t think this particular question is worthy of it’s own thread, but I know the people here may be able to guide me in the right direction.

 

I’m writing a paper on why the use of soldered components has ruined laptops, and I’m trying to find a source I can use to show when the MXM standard was discontinued by Nvidia. Myself and everyone else here knows that it was basically discontinued by Nvidia by the time Pascal GPUs launched, but I cannot find anything in regards to the Nvidia abandoning the standard. Any of you know where I could look or find information?

NVIDIA usually makes deliberate bad decisions quietly. I could not find any press release where they announced it to the general public. I think it was one of those "Hey, let's abandon our faithful notebook OEM/ODM partners and shaft high performance laptop owners at the same time" shyster maneuvers, and I am not convinced that some of the more despicable OEM/ODM  "partners" didn't have some closed door dealings with the Green Goblin to conspire with the idea of removing GPU upgrades as an option. It was too convenient and affordable for consumers, so they had to make it to where their only available option was to buy new disposable turdbook trash instead of slapping in a newer and more powerful GPU that cost them a fraction of what a complete new turdbook does. It worked for CPUs equally well. The BGA crap CPUs were the rectal thermometer and it was probably immediately obvious that the kiddos were more than happy to drop their drawers and take one up the tailpipe for the sake of thin and light cuteness. Now notebooks are universally gonad-free disposable feces.

12 hours ago, ryan said:

witcher 3 frames are down....stinks like poop...looks like poop....must be poop

Wait, what? How can that be? My friends on Facepoot told me newer is always better. I need to see some random dude I have never heard of before send tweets on Twatter to prove it. Actual data is too unreliable to believe it. 😆

4 hours ago, ryan said:

Highest firestrike score on all counts

highest port royal well sorta

 

tomb raider for reference with the highest settings gets a 125fps average with a full power 3070 no overclock

heres mine with a huge overclock

115w don't forget not the highest tdp for the 3060 so its a pretty incredible score

 

 

 

and drum roll.....My goal since I had this laptop was to break 9000, many people on reddit said it was not possible with the 115w version of the 3060 but I kept trying and trying and trying and look below...easily my highest score ever

 

super excited to show you guys(bros)

 

 

 

its fun benchmarking and unfortunetly it makes little to no difference in gaming heres witcher 3 absolutely maxed at 1080p

 

no overclock

 

overclock

 

3fps difference

 

 

so I guess just because your score is high on TS does not mean the gains will carry over to gaming, however drivers can make a huge impact, which leads me to a question!

 

has anyone tried the beta drivers by nvidia and how are they!   also when does the next official driver coming out roughly

 

 

 

and now after some tweaking of control panel and a slightly higher overclock. I might be able to squeeze 100 more points on gpu but im very happy getting 9200 overall in ts. heres my record breaking run.....im pretty sure its the highest 115w 3060 score....maybe someone can find a higher score on gpu...not sure..overall its not the highest because my dang cpu overheats

 

 

Congratulations on the accomplishment. Nice job, bro.

3 hours ago, Rage Set said:

@Mr. Fox

 

I didn't match your settings one for one, but there you go. I think these sticks are better than the Corsair I have.

That is looking really good. Nice work. It is crazy to think we are running DIMM modules at 6.4GHz. There may be some other voltage settings that you can tweak. I will grab some BIOS screenshot for you. So much extra stuff with 12th Gen with not much documentation. Some of what seems like high voltage is "normal" now. 

Edit: BIOS snapshots attached.

7 hours ago, Rage Set said:

Still working on the 6400 RAM kit from G.Skill.

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Is the 6400 kit SK Hynix, Micron or Samsung?

Feel free to try these memory settings and see how they work with your kit.

7 hours ago, Rage Set said:

I was starting to regret my Z690 Dark purchase until I've installed the latest BIOS. Before, 51 on the older BIOS, would net me around 10269 pts in CB20 (much lower than my Asus Z690 Extreme, which was weird), but now it is posting above 11k with the same extra BIO settings. Temps are much lower too. 

 

Still working on the 6400 RAM kit from G.Skill.

Is the IC on the DDR5-6400 kit SK Hynix, Micron or Samsung?

Getting used to the MSI BIOS has been kind of strange. The sub-menus in different sections are pretty standard, but some aspects of the hierarchy seem illogical after spending years with ASUS and EVGA firmware. Same was true of Gigabutt BIOS, only worse. I may reach out to Prema and ask him to unlock menus. There are some things that MSI chose to hide that I want exposed. For example, I want access to disable Intel ME like I had with EVGA. ASUS also lacked that option. There is no reason for Intel ME to exist IMHO... totally worthless. I want the option to enable SPD write access. I want the option exposed to control the number of seconds to wait/delay for user input on the BIOS boot menu so I don't have to hurry with Delete or F2 to enter Setup. I want the option to always show the BIOS boot selection menu and wait for user input between POST and OS hand-off instead of having to frantically spam F11 to choose the drive I want to boot from without having to alter BBS order. I want access to selectively disable individual SATA and NVMe ports at will. EVGA firmware has all of those options, and I used them all. ASUS has most of them.

8 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

System has been running for about an hour today and PCH temps are between 45-50°C, mostly bouncing around between 46-48. I think I might be able to eliminate my custom heat sink/fan solution at this point. Then I will play with those power management settings and start turning them back to disabled one at a time and see if one in particular is the offender that being disabled causes the high PCH temps.

Well, now at 9 hours and 50 minutes of use and PCH is 51°C.

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

You made the right choice bro Fox. A big beauty. The Hyte Y60 chassis I posted above looks much more like a fish aquarium and not a pc case... I expect it depends on what taste people have. If people really want a fish aquarium maybe buy a real one and not a fake one🙂

The more I am exposed to it, the more I like it. The 200mm 110 CFM Phanteks fans I ordered to go on the top panel arrived today.

9 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Oh, I figured out what was causing the high PCH temps. The default BIOS power management settings were causing it. My PCH is running 53°C with things that were set to "Disabled" changed to "Auto" now. My Gen4 NVMe SSD is not as fast, but I really don't care about that. It's still faster than a Gen3 NVMe and that was already faster than it needed to be. I saw both ASUS and MSI Z690 owners complaining about the same thing and having six NVMe SSDs on my system probably did not help matters. I found the solution in an MSI forum links on ASUS forums, LOL. That is like a 28-30°C reduction in PCH temps versus temps with the stock PCH cooler and default BIOS settings.

 

Below are the "adjusted" settings. Oddly enough, my DDR5 memory also runs a few degrees cooler now in a TM5 test and AIDA64 read/write/copy speeds were not affected by changing the settings to Auto. @johnksss

 

System has been running for about an hour today and PCH temps are between 45-50°C, mostly bouncing around between 46-48. I think I might be able to eliminate my custom heat sink/fan solution at this point. Then I will play with those power management settings and start turning them back to disabled one at a time and see if one in particular is the offender that being disabled causes the high PCH temps.

1 hour ago, Reciever said:

https://www.aquatuning.us/water-cooling/radiators/radiators-active/80mm/23804/alphacool-nexxxos-ut60-full-copper-x-flow-80mm-quad-radiator?c=6566

 

https://www.aquatuning.us/water-cooling/radiators/radiators-active/80mm/27685/alphacool-nexxxos-hpe-60-full-copper-x-flow-80mm-quad-radiator?c=6566

The more expensive one is a few mm longer and has a much higher fin density 15 vs 10 fins per inch (1/3 more) and should cool more effectively. It will also require better fans (greater static air pressure) to push air through the denser fins. You can see this looking at the "Details" tab.

Aquatuning charges a lot for shipping. Sometimes they are the only place you can buy certain items. I would look for the same thing elsewhere and compare the total cost inclusive of shipping before making a final decision where to buy what you are looking for.

If you have a talented auto radiator shop in the area where you live (and knowing where that is,  you probably do) you might be able to have them build you a radiator with dimensions to your specs. Sometimes it is hard to get places like that to do custom work, though you don't know if you don't ask.

This is probably the best you are going to find pre-built. Anything other than 120mm fan width is scarce. Crossflow radiators (my preference) are also difficult to source, even in the 120mm fan width.

https://www.titanrig.com/alphacool-nexxxos-xt45-full-copper-radiator-184-92mm-x-2-dual-fan-black-03-30-ac-0176-01-on.html 

24 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Looks perfect, I may have to look for its successor or something akin to that as it appears to be out of stock everywhere on a quick search

Actually, the el cheapo PSU is 450W, which is more than enough for what I use it for. It is this one.

https://www.newegg.com/p/1HU-00D9-00187?Item=9SIBA1GH6W5118

It is a shame the Lamptron CF525 is hard to come by now. This one is 50W per channel, so almost as good.

http://www.lamptron.com/Products/fancontroller/83.html

https://www.ebay.com/itm/222564369275?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28 

Oh, I figured out what was causing the high PCH temps. The default BIOS power management settings were causing it. My PCH is running 53°C with things that were set to "Disabled" changed to "Auto" now. My Gen4 NVMe SSD is not as fast, but I really don't care about that. It's still faster than a Gen3 NVMe and that was already faster than it needed to be. I saw both ASUS and MSI Z690 owners complaining about the same thing and having six NVMe SSDs on my system probably did not help matters. I found the solution in an MSI forum links on ASUS forums, LOL. That is like a 28-30°C reduction in PCH temps versus temps with the stock PCH cooler and default BIOS settings.

Below are the "adjusted" settings. Oddly enough, my DDR5 memory also runs a few degrees cooler now in a TM5 test and AIDA64 read/write/copy speeds were not affected by changing the settings to Auto. @johnksss

18 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Do you guys have any good fan controllers that are externally powered in mind?

I use a Lamptron CF525 (recommended by Brother @Rage Set a few years ago) with a super cheap generic 500W PSU using a jumper on the 24-pin connector to power my three D5 pumps and 18 fans. The CF525 has the highest amp/watt rating per channel and will run the insane Delta hovercraft fans without blowing up.

7 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Right now I'm trying to lock down the best bang:buck set of 4000 2x16GB sticks for my Strix D4 as I'm running 2x8GB b-die 4000 atm.

I have that 32GB G.SKILL 4000 kit (2*16GB of Samsung B-die). It has the aftermarket heat sinks on it, but I still have the stock G.SKILL heat sinks if you would prefer them. If you are interested, shoot me a PM. I have debated whether or not to keep them and probably will if you don't need them. (It's always good to have spare parts.)

9 hours ago, Papusan said:

Who want to be a part of this? And this is only the beginning. Microsoft have loads of great ideas how they can and will destroy own products. Is this a feature you want for your web browser bro @Mr. Fox ? 

 

Let me think for a minute...

Um. Nope. No thanks.