*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, aldarxt said:

Now I get this https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/80062423

The hidden mess is due Futuremark help the hardware manufacturers to stop spreading benchmarks results from not released hardware. Disgusting that the users that have paid for an software license being treated like this. 
 

Their coding skills is awful if they can’t differentiate what results that can be showed. And UL still can’t fix the eGpu mess in the different results leaderboards. So there you have Futuremark UL 😎

[tps3443]

18 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Back to living vicariously through you bro! 🙂

 

 

 

Well, you don’t really need an upgrade on the CPU or the GPU. 
 

You’ve got a 12900K. Probably a good one too. And a 3090Ti Kingpin. 
 

I’m probably not changing my GPU either. My 3090kp feels extremely fast in games still. I’m looking forward to playing Starfield more than anything right now when it does finally release. I’ll probably take a week vacation off work LOL. I have about 100+ hours of Paid time off saved up right now anyways.

 

I paid MSRP+tax for my 3090KP. And I paid for the KP waterblock as well. I’m enjoying this thing to it’s fullest. It has about 1,000+ hours of solid gaming time on it already.
 

 

 

[jaybee83]

3 hours ago, Vasudev said:

That pricing is not affordable and huge monster trucks won't fit in mini-case or eGPU enclosure. There is an alternative from Intel called XeSS but unsure if it will pave the way for FSR and merged with DX and other graphics APIs.

I think SLI on 4090 or Ti version would be monsterous unless nvidia felt it didn't scale well and creating SLI profiles will be a pain.

 

ha no worries, no more SLI even on the XX90 sku 😅

[Talon]

Should be A-Die and in stock. Mine just shipped. Not available on Newegg regular account yet. 

 

https://www.neweggbusiness.com/product/product.aspx?item=9b-20-331-923

 

@Mr. Fox

[Papusan]

Asus prefer the Dell way. If you prefer older bios versions for benching older Cpu's then you are screwed if you update your firmware for 13th gen processors. When did Asus learn all the dirty tricks in the book from Dell? This comes on on top of forced bios updates with windows. Yep, Asus let Microsoft help them push out new buggy beta bios versions. Asus = Dell now. Can't be any worse than that. And EVGA is soon no options. What have we left? Not much if you ask me. Desktops going the way we have with lap-jokes. 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Asus prefer the Dell way. If you prefer older bios versions for benching older Cpu's then you are screwed if you update your firmware for 13th gen processors. When did Asus learn all the dirty tricks in the book from Dell? This comes on on top of forced bios updates with windows. Yep, Asus let Microsoft help them push out new buggy beata bios versions. Asus = Del. Can't be any worse than that. And EVGA is soon no options. What have we left?

 

Filth. Digital dung. The excuse given "to ensure better compatibility" is a blatant lie. What they meant to say was "to ensure we maintain the power to own you and your PC" because their wickedness and treachery is unlimited and far-reaching.. Totally a Dellish Nazi power play.

[tps3443]

26 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Asus prefer the Dell way. If you prefer older bios versions for benching older Cpu's then you are screwed if you update your firmware for 13th gen processors. When did Asus learn all the dirty tricks in the book from Dell? This comes on on top of forced bios updates with windows. Yep, Asus let Microsoft help them push out new buggy beata bios versions. Asus = Del. Can't be any worse than that. And EVGA is soon no options. What have we left?

 

Well, I hope my bios is updated to support new CPU’s. I feel like when I eventually power on this Unify-X Z690 with my 13900KF, it’s probably not gonna post at all. Maybe @Mr. Fox updated it. 😎
 

I doubt I’ll ever be benching any 12th Gen. So no worries there. I do hate being forced to run newer bios though. Especially from what I’ve seen on some platforms as high as like 7% faster performance just by using an older bios. 

[cylix]

A good video about how DLSS 3 works.

 

 

PS: @Recievermaybe we should do a Subforum or a new topic where we can talk about the new GPUS?

[Reciever]

Yeah, can do. Give me about an hour and I can make a sub-forum in the desktop section. 

[Papusan]

59 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Asus prefer the Dell way. If you prefer older bios versions for benching older Cpu's then you are screwed if you update your firmware for 13th gen processors. When did Asus learn all the dirty tricks in the book from Dell? This comes on on top of forced bios updates with windows. Yep, Asus let Microsoft help them push out new buggy beta bios versions. Asus = Dell now. Can't be any worse than that. And EVGA is soon no options. What have we left? Not much if you ask me. Desktops going the way we have with lap-jokes. 

 

 

 

39 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Filth. Digital dung. The excuse given "to ensured better compatibility" is a blatant lie. What they meant to say was "to ensure we maintain the power to own you and your PC" because their wickedness and treachery is unlimited and far-reaching.. Totally a Dellish Nazi power play.

Look at this disgusting mess. Asus say you can't downgrade. But the stupids at Microsoft who got the bioses from Asus will offer an downgrade. This is todays tech.... Whats the difference between stupid and retarded? Can they be both? 

 

 

[Reciever]

Graphics Card sub-forum is now available. I will create more for CPU, more can be made as we grow in traffic.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Well, I hope my bios is updated to support new CPU’s. I feel like when I eventually power on this Unify-X Z690 with my 13900KF, it’s probably not gonna post at all. Maybe @Mr. Fox updated it. 😎
 

I doubt I’ll ever be benching any 12th Gen. So no worries there. I do hate being forced to run newer bios though. Especially from what I’ve seen on some platforms as high as like 7% faster performance just by using an older bios. 

I don't think there was a BIOS for 13th Gen when I sold it to you, but you can do the recovery flash procedure with the Unify-X with no CPU or RAM installed, same as EVGA and ASUS. You rename the file MSI.ROM and put it on a FAT or FAT32 formatted USB stick, then use the button on the rear I/O panel next to the designated BIOS flashing USB port.

 

I suspect it would still boot and run without an issue with the 12th Gen BIOS, but it might not have full support or total functionality until you flash it.

29 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Look at this disgusting mess. Asus say you can't downgrade. But the stupids at Microsoft who got the bioses from Asus will offer an downgrade. This is todays tech.... Whats the difference between stupid and retarded? Can they be both? 

They are similar and the outcome can be the same. I believe the former suggests the demonstration of a lack of good judgment and the latter refers to the absence of capacity to exercise good judgment or discern the difference, so yes... it could be both, but I think more often than not their bad decisions are deliberate and they know what they are doing is messed up. They don't care.

[Clamibot]

The undervolt is strong with this one:

 

[electrosoft]

5 hours ago, tps3443 said:

 

Well, you don’t really need an upgrade on the CPU or the GPU. 
 

You’ve got a 12900K. Probably a good one too. And a 3090Ti Kingpin. 
 

I’m probably not changing my GPU either. My 3090kp feels extremely fast in games still. I’m looking forward to playing Starfield more than anything right now when it does finally release. I’ll probably take a week vacation off work LOL. I have about 100+ hours of Paid time off saved up right now anyways.

 

I paid MSRP+tax for my 3090KP. And I paid for the KP waterblock as well. I’m enjoying this thing to it’s fullest. It has about 1,000+ hours of solid gaming time on it already.
 

 

 

 

In reality none of us need an upgrade except @jaybee83 maybe but an upgrade is an upgrade when you want to have and use the newest out there. Practical? No but practicality goes out the window often when new toys are introduced. 🙂

 

I'm definitely not changing my GPU this cycle. I plan on extracting every last bit of value from it for the next 2-3 years. It has already logged massive hours (150hrs so far I think) playing Fallout 76 which is my new focus and it will log thousands more when WoW Dragonflight launches. Based on the limited Beta gameplay, people clearly complained about the subpar RT and 4k performance as I am getting much better fps than with WoW Shadowlands RT to max.

 

As you know, I paid MSRP for my 3090KP and sold it for a profit 10 months after buying it. It logged some serious WoW miles on it too before departing. With EVGA kindness, I ended up getting the 3090Ti KP for actually less than I paid for the 3090KP overall.

 

Funny thing KPE 3090 and KPE 3090ti were momentarily back in stock yesterday on EVGA for $1399.99 and $1999.99 but the few they had literally sold out within hours. One forum member had the KPE 3090ti in his cart trying to buy it but someone bought it before he could complete checkout.....savage.

 

 

[jaybee83]

4 hours ago, Talon said:

Should be A-Die and in stock. Mine just shipped. Not available on Newegg regular account yet. 

 

https://www.neweggbusiness.com/product/product.aspx?item=9b-20-331-923

 

@Mr. Fox

 

jealous! unfortunately no offers here in europe yet, still maxing out at ddr5-6600.

 

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Well, I hope my bios is updated to support new CPU’s. I feel like when I eventually power on this Unify-X Z690 with my 13900KF, it’s probably not gonna post at all. Maybe @Mr. Fox updated it. 😎
 

I doubt I’ll ever be benching any 12th Gen. So no worries there. I do hate being forced to run newer bios though. Especially from what I’ve seen on some platforms as high as like 7% faster performance just by using an older bios. 

 

7% performance difference just due to simple bios version difference? thats insane! 

[Mr. Fox]

59 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

7% performance difference just due to simple bios version difference? thats insane! 

This happens when people that are OCD about "security" are allowed to determine the fate of those that have no reason to care, and those that are willing to live with vulnerability in favor of better performance.

[ssj92]

I'll drop this here: https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/30859401/spy/30263905/spy/27316826

 

Some context:

 

For those who remember, there was a program called differentsli that enabled people to SLI systems that were either:

 

1) using a non SLI certified motherboard

2) using two different gpus (gtx 480 + gtx 570 for example)

3) doing SLI without an SLI bridge 

 

So here we are in 2022, I discovered it still kinda works. SO I got my Titan V (GPUs that were never meant to be SLI'd on purpose from nVidia) to be in SLI without a bridge. 

 

Now this was tested in my EVGA SR-2 (2010 system) with dual Xeons (PCIe 2.0 x16 system), so it does have a PCIe bottleneck. If I were to install this into my X299 10980XE (PCIe 3.0 x16 system) I assume it would beat even my 3090Ti. 

 

It's very close to my 3090Ti in TSE but I wanted to provide a proof of concept. I am working on a youtube video on how to do it and will post it soon so everyone else can play with this. 

[tps3443]

3 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

jealous! unfortunately no offers here in europe yet, still maxing out at ddr5-6600.

 

 

7% performance difference just due to simple bios version difference? thats insane! 

7% was large on something like a 7980XE too. We had several bios revisions for the X299 Dark motherboard. I tested every single one. I knew them all like the back of my hand. But older microcodes performed much faster usually about 7% faster in Cinebench and 3DMark physics test. But to utilize Resizable bar for newly released Ampere GPU’s, we were forced to use newer bios that all motherboard manufacturers started releasing. It was lame because you get better GPU performance at the cost of less CPU performance. I know some Asus X299 guys were making custom bios using the old microcode to work around this. 
 

But, it’s this type of stuff you find happening with all computer platforms. Newer bios may gimp your performance. 

[jaybee83]

7 hours ago, tps3443 said:

7% was large on something like a 7980XE too. We had several bios revisions for the X299 Dark motherboard. I tested every single one. I knew them all like the back of my hand. But older microcodes performed much faster usually about 7% faster in Cinebench and 3DMark physics test. But to utilize Resizable bar for newly released Ampere GPU’s, we were forced to use newer bios that all motherboard manufacturers started releasing. It was lame because you get better GPU performance at the cost of less CPU performance. I know some Asus X299 guys were making custom bios using the old microcode to work around this. 
 

But, it’s this type of stuff you find happening with all computer platforms. Newer bios may gimp your performance. 

 

see, with me being out of the desktop game for so long, this kinda stuff is invaluable info. on laptop u basically had two bios versions to deal with: stock and PremaMOD. and once u flash the latter, u wouldnt ever wanna go back anyways 😄 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

see, with me being out of the desktop game for so long, this kinda stuff is invaluable info. on laptop u basically had two bios versions to deal with: stock and PremaMOD. and once u flash the latter, u wouldnt ever wanna go back anyways 😄 

That makes sense. Had you been a normal everyday misguided "newer is always better" laptop muppet chasing the latest BIOS "update" garbage you would have taken the same hit as every other beguiled victim in the sheeple herd.

9 hours ago, tps3443 said:

7% was large on something like a 7980XE too. We had several bios revisions for the X299 Dark motherboard. I tested every single one. I knew them all like the back of my hand. But older microcodes performed much faster usually about 7% faster in Cinebench and 3DMark physics test. But to utilize Resizable bar for newly released Ampere GPU’s, we were forced to use newer bios that all motherboard manufacturers started releasing. It was lame because you get better GPU performance at the cost of less CPU performance. I know some Asus X299 guys were making custom bios using the old microcode to work around this. 
 

But, it’s this type of stuff you find happening with all computer platforms. Newer bios may gimp your performance. 

There were also some BIOS mods on HWBOT with the CPU microcode removed completely. Everything worked fine for me on those BIOS mods without it. I also disable Intel ME in the EVGA BIOS. EVGA is the only BIOS I have identified with an option to disable Inel ME. I haven't found anything detrimental with the Intel ME disabled in the BIOS. Everything I can see functions normally when the Intel ME doesn't exist. We have been conditioned to believe both of those things are necessary or required and neither of them are.

 

You can also delete the CPU microcode for Intel and AMD that is part of Windows and get updated through Windows Updates. It is likewise not needed.

 

The intelligent approach to firmware updates is to ignore them unless it fixes something important that is broken without it. It is rare for that to be the case. I never identified enough of a benefit to Adjustable Bar support to qualify as important. In some circumstances it serves no useful purpose. The downside to emerging technology, like DDR5 architecture, is that improvements in firmware can be relevant to that element while being simultaneously detrimental because of the payload of performance-killing garbage bundled in the same firmware revision.

[jaybee83]

15 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

That makes sense. Had you been a normal everyday misguided "newer is always better" laptop muppet chasing the latest BIOS "update" garbage you would have taken the same hit as every other beguiled victim in the sheeple herd.

There were also some BIOS mods on HWBOT with the CPU microcode removed completely. Everything worked fine for me on those BIOS mods without it. I also disable Intel ME in the EVGA BIOS. EVGA is the only BIOS I have identified with an option to disable Inel ME. I haven't found anything detrimental with the Intel ME disabled in the BIOS. Everything I can see functions normally when the Intel ME doesn't exist. We have been conditioned to believe both of those things are necessary or required and neither of them are.

 

You can also delete the CPU microcode for Intel and AMD that is part of Windows and get updated through Windows Updates. It is likewise not needed.

 

The intelligent approach to firmware updates is to ignore them unless it fixes something important that is broken without it. It is rare for that to be the case. I never identified enough of a benefit to Adjustable Bar support to qualify as important. In some circumstances it serves no useful purpose. The downside to emerging technology, like DDR5 architecture, is that improvements in firmware can be relevant to that element while being simultaneously detrimental because of the payload of performance-killing garbage bundled in the same firmware revision.

 

yep, absolutely. one of the things id be on the lookout for in upcoming bios revisions would be improvement of memory compatibility, i think in that regard well likely see a lot of tuning being done. especially with DDR5 speeds taking crazy strides currently. 

[Papusan]

More pict of the crocks for bro @electrosoft🙂 And more parts. I can probably build a second setup with what I have now. The new black tubes have same (ID) but thicker (OD). Easier to bend without get kinks in the hose. I also have blank tubes in the drawer, but those is ugly and will destroy the "all black" looks. Not even an option as spare parts. Maybe my older son want it. He enjoy lots of lights (bling bling). 

 

 

From what I have read on the web, the Thermalright contact frame won't do much if you have the new EK water block for 1700 socket. But I still ordered it. 

 

And yep, there is a difference in inner diameter on different brands fittings that have same diameter (ID) specs. This is the weakest link in the loop together with lots of 90° angle/QDC fittings. 

I will rather use an 2x45 rotary fitting and replace the 90° angle fittings where it fits. Just sad I had only the black chrome options. Oh'well. But it won't be a big problem as it will be for the top radiators and out of sight.

 

 

And the bling bling is picked of from the pump. All black bro @Mr. Fox 🙂Probably many that think I go bananas destroying bling bling thaty follow the hardware. Just sad you have to pay more for features I don't want. 

[Talon]

That TeamGroup is is A-Die 😀.

 

Testing now, but me thinks my "binned" OEM Green PCB A-Dies are better. 

[jaybee83]

58 minutes ago, Papusan said:

More pict of the crocks for bro @electrosoft🙂 And more parts. I can probably build a second setup with what I have now. The new black tubes have same (ID) but thicker (OD). Easier to bend without get kinks in the hose. I also have blank tubes in the drawer, but those is ugly and will destroy the "all black" looks. Not even an option as spare parts. Maybe my older son want it. He enjoy lots of lights (bling bling). 

 

 

From what I have read on the web, the Thermalright contact frame won't do much if you have the new EK water block for 1700 socket. But I still ordered it. 

 

And yep, there is a difference in inner diameter on different brands fittings that have same diameter (ID) specs. This is the weakest link in the loop together with lots of 90° angle/QDC fittings. 

I will rather use an 2x45 rotary fitting and replace the 90° angle fittings where it fits. Just sad I had only the black chrome options. Oh'well. But it won't be a big problem as it will be for the top radiators.

 

 

And the bling bling is picked of from the pump. All black bro @Mr. Fox 🙂Probably many that think I go bananas destroying bling bling thaty follow the hardware. Just sad you have to pay more for features I don't want. 

 

having troubles keeping up with my limited daily reaction budget! classic papu post if there ever was one 😁

 

1 minute ago, Talon said:

That TeamGroup is is A-Die 😀.

 

Testing now, but me thinks my "binned" OEM Green PCB A-Dies are better. 

 

dude, ill be more than happy to take those "crappy" TeamGroup sticks off your hands for the price of the OEM green PCB A-Dies. someone's gotta take one for the team amirite? 😂

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Talon said:

That TeamGroup is is A-Die 😀.

 

Testing now, but me thinks my "binned" OEM Green PCB A-Dies are better. 

 

Awesome and nice confirmation.

 

I'm still sitting on a sealed Z690 Classified and those 2x16GB DDR5 M-die sticks I picked up from OCN. I'm too knee deep in Fallout 76 atm to break everything down have something go all cattywampus and I would need another CPU to set up the Classified in my test bench/case.....grrrrr.

 

Am I talking myself into picking up a 13900k? 🤣