*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[ryan]

I remember getting 40fps with my 260m at 1440x900 

now a 3060m mid range tdp ect gets 140-230fps at max settings max aa

 

but have we really advanced as fast as we should have.....right now a 260m laptop is probably worth 50 bucks and mine i paid 2300 cad

[Mr. Fox]

I am going to take a wait and see attitude toward it. We don't know what the pricing is going to ultimately look like or what kind of overclocking potential they will have. If Intel GPUs end up having overclocking potential to the same or similar extent their CPUs do, it might not matter so much if the "stock" performance is medicore like a 3060 or 3070.  For the typical gamerboy, I don't see where that needs to be an issue. If the price is right and it runs like a 3060 or 3070 it will be good enough for all practical intents and purposes and what will matter more to them is how cheap they can get it.

 

For example, if we look at the comparison between Intel and AMD processors, AMD might have a minor performance edge in some things running BIOS defaults and stock clocks. But, they really suck at core and memory overclocking. As soon as you punch the throttle on the equivalent Intel CPU it opens a can of whoop ass on the AMD CPU. If an Intel GPU can have the living crap overclocked out of it, then it might not matter that much if the stock performance isn't anything to write home about. I find that to be a lot more prefererrable than something that runs nice stock but sucks at overclocking. Stock performance isn't really that important to me. I care more about how far I can push it.

 

That would be very refreshing for GPU experience since GPU core overclocking really sucks for both NVIDIA and AMD, and has been a sucky experience for Turing and Ampere. Take the 7960X and 7980XE as extreme examples. You could push them to a 100% (double stock clock) overclock. They performed like an entirely different product when you put the pedal to the metal. If you can push an Intel GPU core clock to even 50% higher than stock, the overclocked performance might stomp the life out of what we are used to seeing with overclocked NVIDIA and AMD flagship GPUs today.

[ryan]

intel cough

[jaybee83]

20 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I am going to take a wait and see attitude toward it. We don't know what the pricing is going to ultimately look like or what kind of overclocking potential they will have. If Intel GPUs end up having overclocking potential to the same or similar extent their CPUs do, it might not matter so much if the "stock" performance is medicore like a 3060 or 3070.  For example, if we look at the comparison between Intel and AMD, AMD might have a minor performance edge in some things running BIOS defaults and stock clocks. But, they really suck at core and memory overclocking. As soon as you punch the throttle on the equivalent Intel CPU it opens a can of whoop ass on the AMD CPU. If an Intel GPU can have the living crap overclocked out of it, then it might not matter that much if the stock performance isn't anything to write home about. If find that to be a lot more prefererrable than something that runs nice stock but sucks at overclocking. Stock performance isn't really that important to me. I care more about how far I can push it.

agreed, problem being that Intel is leaving less and less OC headroom on the table when releasing their products. then again, thats a good sign of AMD pushing / threatening them to do better!

[Tenoroon]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

Or they struggle hard to find the correct MSRP😁 GPU prices is in change so thats, that. They are already too late for the party. Expect nvidia to speed up release of 4000 graphics. Not fun being the company that offer +2000$ cards that still won't come above second or last in benchmarks. nvidia offer a lot of new modern features but fail in benchmarks. And they fail in the MSRP race as well. 

 

Whats the point with Intel's new graphics if the prices is wrong for what you'll get/or put  perverse? (a few months forwards and this cards can't compete at all).

 

Intel's upcoming Arc Alchemist GPUs may be more expensive than AMD and Nvidia's

According to a new report, those of you looking towards Arc for some GPU market disruption may be in for a disappointment as Intel is allegedly not pricing its GPUs any cheaper than Nvidia or AMD.

From the leaks I've heard, ARC will be priced decently, and if not, Intel will have to lower prices to move product. But this whole delay is screwing them over because newer cards from competitors are coming out and if Intel keeps delaying, it could end terrible for them.

Even if these GPUs suck when they launch, it will help Intel get on track to hopefully be recognized as a major competitor to both Nvidia and AMD for GPUs, the more market competition, the better things shall get 🙂

I don't want to turn this conversation into a he said she said kind of thing, but there's a leaker I've been following for a while, I started watching his stuff when he was doing Ampere leaks, and he has been mostly right on just about everything he has leaked, with the exception of small bits that he lets the viewer know he and his sources are unsure about. His ARC leaks have been quite interesting and I'd recommend you all check him out, every other leaker on Youtube I have seen has been overly annoying in my opinion, and this guy is the only guy I can sit and watch a video from without cringing.

I'll stop shilling this guy after this, but his "How AMD Exploited Intel's Greed" and "AMD Price War Strategy" videos are fantastic in explaining how AMD managed to revive competition with Intel while also slowly taking over market share. I've used these videos to show to friends who are interested in tech how things have changed within the past 10-15 years.

 
 

[jaybee83]

39 minutes ago, Tenoroon said:

From the leaks I've heard, ARC will be priced decently, and if not, Intel will have to lower prices to move product. But this whole delay is screwing them over because newer cards from competitors are coming out and if Intel keeps delaying, it could end terrible for them.

Even if these GPUs suck when they launch, it will help Intel get on track to hopefully be recognized as a major competitor to both Nvidia and AMD for GPUs, the more market competition, the better things shall get 🙂

I don't want to turn this conversation into a he said she said kind of thing, but there's a leaker I've been following for a while, I started watching his stuff when he was doing Ampere leaks, and he has been mostly right on just about everything he has leaked, with the exception of small bits that he lets the viewer know he and his sources are unsure about. His ARC leaks have been quite interesting and I'd recommend you all check him out, every other leaker on Youtube I have seen has been overly annoying in my opinion, and this guy is the only guy I can sit and watch a video from without cringing.

I'll stop shilling this guy after this, but his "How AMD Exploited Intel's Greed" and "AMD Price War Strategy" videos are fantastic in explaining how AMD managed to revive competition with Intel while also slowly taking over market share. I've used these videos to show to friends who are interested in tech how things have changed within the past 10-15 years.

 
 

very cool stuff, ill be sure to have a looksie 🙂 i have actually watched 2-3 clips of him before and stumbled upon his leaks / theories / extrapolations, seems like he keeps popping up here and there, which is a good sign for his compentencies 🤠

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Tenoroon said:

Even if these GPUs suck when they launch, it will help Intel get on track to hopefully be recognized as a major competitor to both Nvidia and AMD for GPUs, the more market competition, the better things shall get 🙂

I think what we often overlook is the fact that most of the CPU, GPUs and motherboards that are sold are NOT enthusiast products. I only want the enthusiast products and have no interest in wasting my money on consumer-grade trash, but that is not the norm. We are outnumbered by people that just want something that works OK, gets the job done without any effort on their part, and doesn't cost a ton of money. If Intel can produce GPUs that compete in the lower and middle price range and simply get the job done for consumers and "normal" gamers they will be successful. Even if they are not the most powerful GPU option available, they're still going to be a WHOLE LOT more powerful than the integrated graphics trash, and many discrete graphics solutions that most people are content to use. Some gamers are still very happy and satisfied using very old products that are extremely slow compared to the products we are using as long as their games are playable and no drama is involved.

[jaybee83]

amen, preach father fox! 🙏🏼😄

[Papusan]

On 5/4/2022 at 7:05 AM, Papusan said:

Nvidia was right on target. Loads of drivers from AMD won't be approved by Futurmark for their leaderboard. It's a huge lottery. AMD is filled of Beta drivers. And many of their drivers suck up Cpu clock cycles (second lottery). I won't buy anything from the Red camp. Nope.... Not me.  Damn, every second graphics drivers from AMD is in Beta and can't or won't be approved on 3DM leaderboard. Does AMD have a huge software problem? I needed install 3 different drivers to get an valid score. 

AMD's driver team is morons or pure Stupid. Why not list the driver as Non-WHQL in the driver name in the driver link? None will know if they have added a valid driver or not in the Radeon package. Yep, a disgusing lottery. Btw. this one below is valid on Futuremark. But you won't know before you have downloaded and tested it or check if other got a valid score from it. How Stupid. Every damn, driver from AMD is a lottery for benching. Yooo like it stupid bro @Mr. Fox? Is stupid the new normal/norm nowadays?🤔

 

Btw. And if you crash in a bench run the AMD driver won't recover fully (but still works). It will be bugged until you re-boot Windows. This never happen with Nvidia drivers. Yep, todays word have to be "Stupid".

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4990924_papusan_aquamark_radeon_hd_7970_532359_marks?recalculate=true

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

56 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Yooo like it stupid bro @Mr. Fox? Is stupid the new normal/norm nowadays?🤔

Yes, sadly it is. We are surrounded by it and common sense is getting harder to identify. And, all I have ever known from AMD is varying shades of mediocracy or outright disappointment. They will randomly get some things right and do a nice job in one area, but drop the ball in other areas.

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes, sadly it is. We are surrounded by it and common sense is getting harder to identify. And, all I have ever known from AMD is varying shades of mediocracy or outright disappointment. They will randomly get some things right and do a nice job in one area, but drop the ball in other areas.

Maybe, but most likely..............

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4990999_papusan_3dmark2001_se_radeon_hd_7970_147565_marks?recalculate=true

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4990958_papusan_3dmark06_radeon_hd_7970_56931_marks?recalculate=true

[Reciever]

6 hours ago, Papusan said:

AMD's driver team is morons or pure Stupid. Why not list the driver as Non-WHQL in the driver name in the driver link? None will know if they have added a valid driver or not in the Radeon package. Yep, a disgusing lottery. Btw. this one below is valid on Futuremark. But you won't know before you have downloaded and tested it or check if other got a valid score from it. How Stupid. Every damn, driver from AMD is a lottery for benching. Yooo like it stupid bro @Mr. Fox? Is stupid the new normal/norm nowadays?🤔

 

Btw. And if you crash in a bench run the AMD driver won't recover fully (but still works). It will be bugged until you re-boot Windows. This never happen with Nvidia drivers. Yep, todays word have to be "Stupid".

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4990924_papusan_aquamark_radeon_hd_7970_532359_marks?recalculate=true

 

 

On the flipside, AMD drivers will alter settings in real time while Nvidia requires a reboot of the applications to take affect.

 

Such an odd world we live in lol

[Mr. Fox]

40 minutes ago, Reciever said:

On the flipside, AMD drivers will alter settings in real time while Nvidia requires a reboot of the applications to take affect.

 

Such an odd world we live in lol

That probably lends itself to application stability.

[ryan]

I was thinking everyone says crysis is cpu bottlenecked and uses only one core....how come im getting 140fps faster performance with a more powerful gpu....the 11800h single core performance is nothing to write home about.....as for crysis remastered I get higher framerate while lowering settings sometimes in the 300s all low

 

why do people think or not think gpus dont matter with bottlenecked games...i just dont get it. 11800h is good not great and i have to underclock it to get respectable performance...basically i9 9900k performance

 

proof

 

all low

 

maxed in the same shot i was getting 59fps

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, ryan said:

I was thinking everyone says crysis is cpu bottlenecked and uses only one core....how come im getting 140fps faster performance with a more powerful gpu....the 11800h single core performance is nothing to write home about.....as for crysis remastered I get higher framerate while lowering settings sometimes in the 300s all low

 

why do people think or not think gpus dont matter with bottlenecked games...i just dont get it. 11800h is good not great and i have to underclock it to get respectable performance...basically i9 9900k performance

 

proof

 

all low

 

maxed in the same shot i was getting 59fps

You should still see an improvement in FPS performance with the more powerful GPU even if the CPU is causing a bottleneck. 

[jaybee83]

depends on how severe the bottleneck is i guess?

[ryan]

like I remember playing a game I was getting  60 on all low then 60 on all high with vsync off.  so the bottleneck was obvious.....just thought they all had to be like that to an extent to be bottlenecked

 

 

i mean when you lighten the gpu load and the framerate doesn't go up is cpu bottlenecking

[jaybee83]

...or bandwidth related @pcie / vram / system ram. 

[electrosoft]

47 minutes ago, ryan said:

like I remember playing a game I was getting  60 on all low then 60 on all high with vsync off.  so the bottleneck was obvious.....just thought they all had to be like that to an extent to be bottlenecked

 

 

i mean when you lighten the gpu load and the framerate doesn't go up is cpu bottlenecking

 

Vsync can be a performance killer. Turning it off in WoW definitely ups the fps. I prefer to run it with Vsync off, Gsync on.

 

 

[Papusan]

More bling bling and more software. Can't beat that combo. And the v2 refresh cost as usual a lot more than its predecessor. With all sorts of RGB lights in the chassis... Are people still able to see what HW they have in there? For me it would be the same as see right into the sun. Probably even worse because of all of the shifting fancy pastel colors and blink blink all day/night, LOOL

 

Maybe they used thinner wire gauge to make the power cables looks prettier? Only god knows (but they state it will make the cables more flexible - another way  to tell its of lower quality) . Form/design over function is the wrong way to go.

 

I expect people can't get enough of RGB lights. When will wee see a chassis coating with nano bling bling paint connected to the MB's RGB hub?

 

Lian Li Strimer Plus V2 Review: A New Level of RGB for Your PSU Cables

 

 

 

Friday, so have nice weekend 🙂

[johnksss]

On 5/3/2022 at 5:57 PM, ryan said:

I highly doubt a 115w 3060 scored 9700? is that even possible, like you would need a 400mhz overclock on the core....your take guys?

Reminds me of people back in 2008 saying the same things then as now....

And since we have already done it with our low level watts locked vBioses I'm going to have to say....You are probably wrong....(in a nice way.🙂)

 

So to answer your question, yes it's possible, but not in the sense you keep trying to convey it in.

Short answer. Prema.

Long answer. The unknown is always considered impossible.

 

Explanation: You are fixated on 115W. In this case it's just a number that can in fact be changed. What cant really be changed is the fact it's a 3060. (User khenglish does not count here-LOL) Once you realize this, things will start to become clearer and make more sense....

[ryan]

so how exactly do I get 130w performance because those cards are clearing 9700 like its nothing? vbios mod but how

[Reciever]

When in doubt, shunts. 

[Talon]

27 minutes ago, ryan said:

so how exactly do I get 130w performance because those cards are clearing 9700 like its nothing? vbios mod but how

 

vBIOS flash to a higher TDP. HP uses a MUX switch so you need to flash a card with similar display outs and a MUX switch. I think most MSI vBIOS should work since they have Thunderbolt DP, a mini DP, HDMI 2.1 and MUX. 

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/241044/241044

 

This 3060 vBIOS is 115-130w for 11th gen CPU. I would probably use this one myself. Of course you need to know the risks of it not working and needing to flash back. Flash in iGPU mode so you still have the Intel GPU to see if you need to flash back. You should also have the option to use an external display out via the HDMI, Thunderbolt usbc cable or Mini-DP cable. Last resort is a usb/clip programmer if you truly soft brick. 

 

Edit:

 

Always make a backup of your original vBIOS and email it to yourself or save on a google drive or similar. 

[johnksss]

Trying for that 5k...