*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

37 minutes ago, K4sum1 said:

4.6 at 1.190v is stable, 4.6 at 1.250v causes system to power off, then back on.

With the 1.190V being stable and 1.250V having this problem, that would lead me to believe that something is either becoming overloaded (or is a weak component) or something is getting overheated. That would cause it to reboot. The increase in voltage causing it is what makes me believe that to be the case. Does it do it only with that benchmark, or with other benchmarks or stress tests as well?

[K4sum1]

1 minute ago, Mr. Fox said:

With the 1.190V being stable and 1.250V having this problem, that would lead me to believe that something is either becoming overloaded (or is a weak component) or something is getting overheated. That would cause it to reboot. The increase in voltage causing it is what makes me believe that to be the case. Does it do it only with that benchmark, or with other benchmarks or stress tests as well?

I wanna say I had some wack config that I decided to try P95 with, but it almost instantly got above 90C so I quickly shut it down. Other than that, I haven't tried much else. I'm sleepy, and I'm not sure when I'll feel like trying something else with it.

[Clamibot]

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes, it certainly could have. While I am not particularly pleased with the better of the two, I am thankful it was not worse. I also appreciate that the Microcenter gave the green light for Amazon to send me a new bundle before shipping back the old bundle, and allowed me the liberty to keep the better CPU. I so wish we had a Microcenter here in the Phoenix Metro area. I'd gladly drive an hour each direction to do business with them versus ordering things online. 

 

The crappiness of the E-cores is actually more detrimental. If you can't overclock them to higher speeds with stability your all core (P+E) average clock speed is lower and performance declines. I am also not sure how much voltage the crummy Atom chips can handle. I don't mind running the big boy cores at 1.500V+ to push the clocks, but the scummy wuss baby sissy-girl Atom cores might die with that kind of voltage. It really sucks that they can't be pushed to at least 5.0GHz each.

 

Well since the P-Core quality is better on your second chip, can't you disable the E-Cores to push the P-Cores further? I remember someone mentioning that the E-Cores hold the P-Cores back. If you disable the E-Cores, you should be able to run even higher speeds on your P-Cores with better stability.

[electrosoft]

19 minutes ago, Clamibot said:

 

Well since the P-Core quality is better on your second chip, can't you disable the E-Cores to push the P-Cores further? I remember someone mentioning that the E-Cores hold the P-Cores back. If you disable the E-Cores, you should be able to run even higher speeds on your P-Cores with better stability.

 

For gaming, yes. For MT loads and benchmarks, the e-cores activated still give better overall results. With e-cores disabled you do get all the cache for the p-cores and better ring and AVX512 (if your chip and motherboard support it), but it still can't beat MT with e-cores enabled.

 

I disabled e-cores for about a month playing WoW and it definitely helped a bit but everything else was slower overall so I re-enabled them for D2D use.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, Clamibot said:

 

Well since the P-Core quality is better on your second chip, can't you disable the E-Cores to push the P-Cores further? I remember someone mentioning that the E-Cores hold the P-Cores back. If you disable the E-Cores, you should be able to run even higher speeds on your P-Cores with better stability.

That would dramatically impair CPU performance in everything capable of using more than 8 cores. Doing that works on things that do not benefit from more cores, but it would be like downgrading. Like moving from 10900K to 11900K... not an upgrade. Newer, yes... better, no.

 

With the E-cores disabled, 12900K, like 11900K, is also a downgrade from 10900K. Less performance, 2 fewer cores/4 fewer threads, and lower benchmark scores. IPC improved, but not enough to make up the difference of the missing 2 cores/4 threads. 10900K still wins without the E-cores enabled.

 

The E-cores DO, IN FACT, hold back the overall CPU from realizing full potential because the average clock speed across all cores is lower because the wussy baby-girl Atom E-cores are so chintzy that they generally can't run more than 4.2-4.3GHz. Even so, more cores and threads are a force to be reckoned with. That is why the crappy Ryzen 9 5950X gets nice Cinebench scores. It has the AMD equivalent of crappy Intel Atom cores and sucks at overclocking.

[tps3443]

Man, have you guys seen how affordable GPU’s have become? I have not looked at prices in months. And, I may actually be able to buy one that’s fast for my 2nd 11900k system. 

[K4sum1]

I intend to get a 2080 Ti when they get cheap, probably after 4000 series launch, but I have too much stuff I want to buy and I dunno what to do.

 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Man, have you guys seen how affordable GPU’s have become? I have not looked at prices in months. And, I may actually be able to buy one that’s fast for my 2nd 11900k system. 

 

Yeah, pricing is continuing to crash downward. Brand new Gigabyte 3090ti is now $1539 and everything around it is falling.

 

Asus of course is holding steady on a lot of their pricing down to the 3080's even but I expected no less. They always charged the most.

 

48 minutes ago, K4sum1 said:

I intend to get a 2080 Ti when they get cheap, probably after 4000 series launch, but I have too much stuff I want to buy and I dunno what to do.

 

 

Story of my life.... 😁

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Man, have you guys seen how affordable GPU’s have become? I have not looked at prices in months. And, I may actually be able to buy one that’s fast for my 2nd 11900k system. 

Prices are very good now, but will probably get even better. I think Brother @electrosoft is correct and you should hold out a little longer and pay less.

[Mr. Fox]

On 6/23/2022 at 10:15 AM, electrosoft said:

 

It could have went the other direction and been worse so that's good. Free minor performance bump!

 

Even the worse one was "average" and here is one for sale like that one on overclock.net by a well respected member of that community and HWBOT.

 

https://www.overclock.net/threads/fs-12900k.1799019/#post-28999766

[Aaron44126]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Man, have you guys seen how affordable GPU’s have become?

 

Be careful if you get used ones that might have been used for mining.

[Reciever]

I plan to keep mine, and keep mining :3 Put too much time and effort into them to listen to someone whine at me about the lack of RGB or needing a dedicated controller for the 37mm fans

[K4sum1]

14 hours ago, Reciever said:

I plan to keep mine, and keep mining :3 Put too much time and effort into them to listen to someone whine at me about the lack of RGB or needing a dedicated controller for the 37mm fans

Something I thought about was mining during a downturn might be better, you would lose money, but you would make more crypto, which would benefit you next upturn.

[Mr. Fox]

19 minutes ago, K4sum1 said:

Something I thought about was mining during a downturn might be better, you would lose money, but you would make more crypto, which would benefit you next upturn.

Assuming there is one. There may not be. Time will tell.

[electrosoft]

22 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Even the worse one was "average" and here is one for sale like that one on overclock.net by a well respected member of that community and HWBOT.

 

https://www.overclock.net/threads/fs-12900k.1799019/#post-28999766

 

Wow, that is a fantastic deal. Probably some hesitation because that is a rev 1 apex board.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

I do not remember if this video was already shared in this thread, but it is interesting.

 

To whatever degree it is accurate--and I do not believe it is an exact science, especially with the sample size--the first 12900K that came from Micro Center via Amazon was, indeed, an average sample The replacement is better than average, but not superior like the one in my Unify-X.

SP Ratings.xlsx

[tps3443]

On 6/24/2022 at 1:16 PM, Mr. Fox said:

Prices are very good now, but will probably get even better. I think Brother @electrosoft is correct and you should hold out a little longer and pay less.

I’m thinking about another 3090 Kingpin honestly. They are water cooled with 360 AIO, and perform the same as a 3090Ti FE. With prices the 3090kp hybrids have become pretty affordable. They are no longer $3,500 LOLZ. 
 

3090Kp= 40.3 Tflops 

3090Ti= 40.0 Tflops

 

[Reciever]

5 hours ago, K4sum1 said:

Something I thought about was mining during a downturn might be better, you would lose money, but you would make more crypto, which would benefit you next upturn.

I like to mine regardless, though lately I haven't been mining but that's mostly because I have been doing maintenence and moving everything around. 

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Assuming there is one. There may not be. Time will tell.

My crypto had already bounced back to pre-fall black Monday levels, I'm not really sweating it. 

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I’m thinking about another 3090 Kingpin honestly. They are water cooled with 360 AIO, and perform the same as a 3090Ti FE. With prices the 3090kp hybrids have become pretty affordable. They are no longer $3,500 LOLZ. 
 

3090Kp= 40.3 Tflops 

3090Ti= 40.0 Tflops

 

 

If prices keep dropping like this on used models so am I or a Strix 3090. If I can get a NEW 3090ti for $1539.00 everything adjusts down for me mentally both new and especially used. 3080ti's new are ~$1100; 3090 new are ~$1500.

 

Pre-owned KPE 3090s are sub $1500 on fleabay in BIN fashion and a few in auction format at ~$1100 atm. I'd say you might be able to get one for $1250.

 

Strix 3090's are right around $1250 average sale price too.

 

Prices will keep dropping.

 

Companies like Gigabyte get it and are slashing prices massively on all their cards vs be stubborn and sit on inventory.

 

I'll wait till I find a hidden gem around $1k for a 3090 and pick one up as prices continue to crash.

 

I waited so long for the 6900xt to drop that eventually the 6950xt was announced and I didn't want it anymore.

 

 

 

[Reciever]

Was debating selling my 3090, would move the needle quite a bit with car repairs and QOL stuff 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

I waited so long for the 6900xt to drop that eventually the 6950xt was announced and I didn't want it anymore.

With 3080 and 3090 prices finally dropping, there is really little incentive to settle for 690x0 XT and its lack of DLSS and ray tracing capabilities. It was an OK options before for anyone that was married to AMD and wanted to save money, but it is the performance equivalent of having a 3080 or 3090 with no tensor cores. You can say DLSS and ray tracing don't matter, but it's only  true until they do.

[jaybee83]

16 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

With 3080 and 3090 prices finally dropping, there is really little incentive to settle for 690x0 XT and its lack of DLSS and ray tracing capabilities. It was an OK options before for anyone that was married to AMD and wanted to save money, but it is the performance equivalent of having a 3080 or 3090 with no tensor cores. You can say DLSS and ray tracing don't matter, but it's only  true until they do.

agreed, although still not abligatory features yet, moving forward DLSS, RT, etc will only become more wide spread and important. curious to see if AMD's non-Tensor open alternatives will force Nvidia to switch at some point similar to Gsync vs. Freesync previously. in the long run, open source running on regular gpu cores trumps proprietary software running on custom Tensor cores.

[electrosoft]

De8auer and a massive OC open competition (all CPUs welcome) along with all tiers of cooling and lots of prizes.

I didn't even know De8auer was part of a group that bought hwbot lol:

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

De8auer and a massive OC open competition (all CPUs welcome) along with all tiers of cooling and lots of prizes.

I didn't even know De8auer was part of a group that bought hwbot lol:

 

 

I think it was last year that the acquisition occured, with the intent and hope of saving a dying sport and, in particular, the level of discontent among members with the way HWBOT.org has been mismanaged.

[jaybee83]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

De8auer and a massive OC open competition (all CPUs welcome) along with all tiers of cooling and lots of prizes.

I didn't even know De8auer was part of a group that bought hwbot lol:

 

 

haha yep, Roman is the hwbot boss 😋