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  1. Clamibot
    The screen is held in by some adhesive pads that attach the screen to the housing. It's really stupid because it makes it very easy to damage your screen when removing it. That ended up happening to me. I removed my original screen to convert it into a glossy screen because I hate matte panels, and there wasn't a glossy panel available for this laptop. Fortunately, matte panels are just glossy panels with a matte anti-glare layer applied on top. Unfortunately, I cracked the screen during removal since I used too much force, and I had to get a new one 🤬. All you have to do is take a razor or a thin card and saw away at the adhesive. Be very careful and do not use too much force or bend the screen too much, or it will crack, which is exactly what happened to me. There are 2 long adhesive strips, one on the left side of the screen, and one on the right side. They are both applied vertically from the top to the bottom of the screen. Once you have removed your original screen, you can stick your new screen in the housing without applying any adhesives to keep it attached to the housing. Putting the bezel back on will keep the screen in, even if you literally throw the laptop across the room. Why Clevo decided to use adhesive strips to secure the screen is beyond me since the bezel already does a very good job of keeping the screen from falling out.
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    I happily gamed on 17 inch laptops during flights. Everyone looked at me like I was crazy, but I really didn't care 🤣. The tray on the seat in front of me is smaller than the laptop, but it holds the laptop fine. I use the palmrest as a mousepad. This setup definitely gets uncomfortable after a while, but for a few hours, it's ok. I'm very glad I don't fly much because I know I'd rather be uncomfortable and having fun than not playing video games at all but being comfortable. Gaming would take priority over comfort for me.
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    I'm using standard TIM. Specifically, I'm using Phobya Nanogrease Extreme.
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    Dude, I'm soooo tempted to buy this from you. I need to figure out how to get rid of my current 10900K 🤣. From what I've seen, golden samples are wicked good. How high were you able to push this beast in your X170 single core and all-core?
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    Heh heh. They are using the wrong definition for the word upgrade then. What they mean is expandable. Expandability is the ability to add onto the system by adding more RAM or more drives. Upgradeability is the ability to swap core parts like the CPU and GPU for newer generation parts that offer more processing power. Swapping a hard disk for an SSD would be classified as an upgrade. So would be swapping out your RAM for faster RAM. However, adding more of something is not upgrading the system, it's expanding it. So adding more drives or more RAM is not an upgrade, it's expanding the system. Their terminology is incorrect.
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    Check to see that you haven't tightened the CPU screws down too much. There's a weird issue where overtightening the screws makes the laptop not boot. The screws should at most be hand tight plus an extra quarter to half turn. Did you try swapping your RAM to different slots? Sometimes that helps. I still have the original RAM that came with my laptop, which runs at a different speed than my current RAM, so if you have extra RAM lying around, you can perform a hardware change to give your laptop that swift kick in the butt it needs to start working again.
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    Yes. Moving a drive to a different slot will not make it unbootable.
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    Yeah that person definitely has no idea what they're talking about. My Clevo X170SM-G would like to have a word with this individual. I can sustain a 220 watt power draw on the CPU indefinitely, whether the GPU is running at full speed or not, and the GPU consumes about 220 watts under full load as well. That's a combined 440 watt power draw, which my laptop can sustain indefinitely. During the winter, I can even get the CPU up to 275 watts. My laptop can't sustain that indefinitely, but it can sustain that power draw from the CPU long enough to complete bursty workloads. No other laptop in the world can boost the CPU up to 275 watts. That's almost double what this individual claims previous DTRs were capable of. Perhaps they need to do more research to check their facts. Additionally, there's no reason to ridicule someone who is ridiculing a company for not delivering as good of a product as they delivered in the past. People who give a company a pass for delivering something worse than their previous products, and then defending that company's decision have something seriously screwed up with their thought process. I think the day where I'm forced to make my own laptop is getting closer. I've been contemplating it for a while since MXM upgrades are ridiculously expensive. I may actually end up doing it if I become frustrated enough with the current state of the market for us enthusiasts. I've been slowly updating my parts list over the past 6 years 🤣.
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    I typically avoid using Clevo Control Center for overclocking, undervolting, or just general tuning on my system. I uninstalled it since I don't need anything it provides, and I have the performance mode of my laptop set to Hyperperformance in the BIOS. For CPU overclocking/undervolting, I'd highly recommend using Intel XTU. XTU provides a lot of options to tune your system to your liking. Many forum members prefer Throttlestop, but I prefer XTU. I've always liked it more. For GPU overclocking, I recommend MSI Afterburner. You can customize the interface and you have core and memory frequency controls, along with monitoring for various things (such as core and memory frequency, individual CPU frequencies, etc). However if you're dead set on using Clevo Control Center for your tuning needs, it has options for overclocking the CPU and GPU. You can set the CPU frequency and voltage offset only if the laptop is set to performance mode within the power mode section. You can also set the GPU core and memory frequencies.
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    @DDAY3493 Thanks for all of this information. We now have a nice little upgrade guide here for anyone who wants to stick a Quadro RTX 5000 in their Alienware 18.
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    K5 Pro seems to hold pretty well. I've taken off the heatsink on my Clevo X170 and put it back on multiple times now without reapplying anything. The first time I took off the heatsink, I thought the thermal pads had melted! I didn't know what K5 Pro was until I found out that zTecpc applies it to components that would traditionally have thermal pads on them, such as VRAM chips and VRMs. K5 Pro is gooey, but also pretty viscous. It'll hold for multiple remounts of the heatsink. The same goes for thermal paste. I don't normally bother repasting as I can just reseat the thermal paste that is already there and have the heatsink respread the paste for me as I put it back on.
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    To be fair, if you want more power, all that's needed is the addition of a second power inlet port. In this case, if all laptops were to go to USB-C ports for power delivery, we'd just need 2 USB-C ports on the laptop with PD support. With the new USB-C power rating, 2 ports with PD support allows for a maximum power draw of 480 watts, which is enough to power a true DTR. I think it'd be pretty neat for laptops to all drop their proprietary chargers in favor of a standard power delivery port. That may get us back on track to develop new standards across all laptops, some of which are hopefully socketed CPUs and graphics cards like what we had before. The more standards used across all laptops that there are, the better.
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    Unless you're someone like Khenglish and have some mad soldering skills. That dude soldered a freaking desktop GTX 980 GPU core to an MXM card that originally had a 980m GPU core on it, and then he made it work perfectly! He could probably do something similar with this laptop, that is, he can bin some 12900Ks, desolder the CPU off the laptop, solder the best 12900K in its place, and then bam! You now have a better binned CPU in the Scar Strix 17 SE. It's very impractical, but still doable, just not for the average user. It's not even doable for a lot of us on this forum, myself included 🤣.
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    The fact that this laptop has good BIOS options (ex: being able to disable the e-cores) is promising. How high can the CPU's P-cores be overclocked with the e-cores disabled? I'm glad there's an option to disable the e-cores since the P-cores are what matter in games anyway. I think I saw someone before do 5.5 GHz all P-core on a 12900K while pulling 187 watts. They disabled the e-cores to achieve that. Assuming that the i9 12950HX is a binned 12900K, 5.5 GHz all P-core may be achievable within the 175 watt PL2. Assuming this laptop gets a refresh with an i9 13950HX when Raptor Lake releases, we may be able to achieve 6 GHz clock speeds in this laptop when the CPU is overclocked. Now that would be an amazing feat, even if it wasn't across all the P-cores. Even having that on one or two cores in a laptop would be an amazing feat. Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but hey, one can dream right? The power allowance should allow for such a thing to happen if the thermals can be kept under control.
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    Clevo made the NH55JNNQ, which is a 15 inch laptop with an LGA socket for 12th gen Intel desktop CPUs. The GPU is BGA, but at least the CPU is a socketed desktop CPU. The Clevo X270 should've at least had an LGA socket for desktop CPUs as well. If the X270 truly is what this video shows, then Asus's ROG Strix Scar 17 SE is a better offering. That laptop is full BGA as well, but has a monster unified vapor chamber heatsink, and the CPU is a desktop CPU, just adapted to a BGA socket. Perhaps Clevo will come out with another offering that is a 17 inch laptop with an LGA socket for a future Intel desktop CPU. It's hard to believe they'd abandon true DTRs completely since that has been their specialty for decades now. If Clevo truly has abandoned true DTRs, then I guess it's back to mainstream brands then. Sigh...
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    Quadro RTX 5000 in an Alienware 18? That sounds amazing! Routing video through the iGPU may be affecting how high the screen can overclock. The iGPU has a lot less performance and memory bandwidth than a dGPU, so it would stand to reason that it wouldn't be able to support as high of a screen overclock since it's not as capable of a GPU. That may explain the artifacting at higher screen overclocks. However, I've seen iGPUs drive 120 Hz and 144 Hz displays before, so that may not be it. Another potential explanation is the output bandwidth allowed by the internal connection from the iGPU to the screen. Alienware laptops from 2013 and before have a MUX switch that allows for switching between optimus mode and dGPU only mode. The input into the MUX coming from the iGPU may have less bandwidth available to it than the output into the MUX coming from the dGPU. This would make sense since the dGPU is much more powerful, and can therefore deliver a much higher framerate than the iGPU. In short, there is a design limitation somewhere causing the artifacting. Since you were able to get higher screen overclocks in dGPU only mode than you can in optimus mode, my guess is it has something to do with the bandwidth of the video output traces on the motherboard that go from their respective GPUs into the MUX switch. I don't know if both MUX switch inputs have the same bandwidth or not, but I'm guessing they probably don't.
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    That's pretty much the reason I've always preferred laptops over desktops. I really like having a computer I can use anywhere I want, whenever I want. That's enough to keep me buying DTRs even though they're more expensive than the equivalent desktop setup. The convenience that the portability of laptops introduces is just too good to pass up. Even though I keep my laptop at my desk for 90% of the time, the 10% of the time I actually take it somewhere with me makes it worth having.
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    Ok so some new information: Sliger expects the Trego and Elko cases to release at the end of June now. Apparently they're getting held up because some of their other projects keep getting delayed, which is also delaying the release of these cases. My expectation is for a July or August launch. I'm expecting the release of these cases to be delayed again. It's not really an issue though sinceI don't really plan on actually building the system until Intel releases their Meteor Lake CPUs. That'll yield enough of a performance jump to where I would be comfortable building another system.
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    Let us know how the Strix is! I'm actually pretty interested in it after looking at the internals and the specs. Yeah it's BGA, but it still is a DTR and does have a desktop CPU in it, just adapted to a BGA socket. The MUX switch is has makes it attractive as well. I also read that the Strix supports power input through one of the USB-C ports as well. I thought that was pretty interesting. I wonder if it can accept power through its power inlet port and that USB-C port simultaneously. If so, then that gives the laptop a power allowance of 430 watts total, basically making it kind of like a BGA Clevo X170.
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    I understand the desire for low power draw on laptops, but on desktops? Come on! Desktops are performance oriented computers. Power draw doesn't matter at full load (note I didn't say it didn't matter at idle), since the computer is built for maximum performance. Power draw only really matters on idle since the computer shouldn't be drawing ridiculous amounts of power while doing nothing. That's just stupid. But when running at full blast, let it draw those ridiculous amounts of power, we want performance! Even for laptops, power draw really only matters on battery power, especially for performance oriented laptops. The goal on battery power is to maximize runtime, so limiting power draw makes sense. However, when plugged into the wall outlet, you have access to more power than the computer could ever draw, so it should be enabled to run wild. Power consumption doesn't matter at full load and when plugged into a wall outlet. There are two sides here. Yes power consumption does matter to a point, but on a performance oriented machine, power draw at full load doesn't matter. It does matter at idle, but not at full load. The computer is built for performance, not power efficiency. If one cares about power efficiency so much, then they should not be buying a performance oriented computer. Seems to me that people are just making poor purchasing decisions and then blaming the product they bought. That or they have unrealistic expectations. You can't circumvent physics. Speaking of which, there may be a solution that allows for thin and light performance laptops with desktop processing power without making them overheat or be loud. Eluktronics's new laptop lineup consists of gaming laptops that can be paired with with external water cooling. If that takes off, we may see larger external water coolers appear for gaming laptops. @Mr. Fox I know you wouldn't want a colostomy bag cooler as you put it 🤣, but I do think external water cooling can be made more streamlined so that it's portable as well.
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    I myself am waiting for Sliger to release their new Trego case. It's basically everything I've ever wanted out of a computer case, and I think it's what you want as well. The Trego was originally supposed to release in April, but it got delayed to this month, and now it's been delayed again to June. I don't know when the case will actually release, but I'm waiting patiently. It's a console style case that allows for a 360mm AIO, full length GPU, and an ATX motherboard. This case is really conducive to an easily deployable desktop build, which is essentially what we're going for.
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    So basically you spend most of your disposable income on computers then? If that's the case, then you sound just like me heh heh 🤣. Some of my friends think I'm rich because I have a lot of computers in my room. I'm not rich, not even close! It's just that I only have one hobby that isn't completely related to computers, and that hobby pretty much costs nothing, so I end up spending most of my disposable income on computers or parts. My hobbies in order of priority and the enjoyment I derive from them are: 1. Playing video games 2. Developing video games / programming in general 3. Overclocking and tinkering with computers 4. Playing guitar As you can see, my top 3 all have something to do with computers, so that's where my disposable income goes to. I'm very patient when it comes to buying video games, so I typically get them multiple years after release, and during a Steam sale at that, so I don't spend much on games. Playing guitar costs me nothing since I already have one. Developing games costs me nothing. Software development is my source of income as well as doubling as a hobby. Combine everything I mentioned before with frugal living and that affords me a large allowance for computer parts 🤣. I'm super glad I can really enjoy the few hobbies I have. Well that was a giant sidetrack from the conversation. Any word on Clevo releasing a 17 inch Alder Lake or Raptor Lake based DTR soon?
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    And funnily enough they're running Windows 11 themselves on "unsupported" hardware. If you go to 22:08 in the video, you'll see that this dev is using an i7 7660U. So this just confirms the high hardware requirements for Windows 11 are artificial. Any computer that can run Windows 10 well can run Windows 11 well. The only thing you'll miss out on is security features if you force Windows 11 to run on unsupported hardware, which I personally don't care about. I only care about performance. I don't think the new security features are really that beneficial to the average consumer. It would benefit corporations more. Also it seems the UI changes just make things look prettier at the cost of introducing extra steps to complete tasks. It is possible to make stuff look prettier while maintining the same level of productivity you had before, or even improving productivity. However, that is not the case here.
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    This is a very good approach to take. This is what me and one of my buddies call the N - 1 approach. Staying just a bit behind the latest and greatest typically gives you most of the performance of the newest generation while cosing much less, sometimes half if you snag a really good deal while stock is being cleared. CPUs a generation behind are typically 90-95% as powerful as the current generation unless there is some major progress like a node shrink, in which case you should just wait for the node refinement generation that comes the year after to get a CPU from this year's generation. As for GPUs, every generation is typically significantly more powerful than the last, but you can get really good deals on GPUs as stock is being cleared in preparation for the next generation of parts. I used to always like being as current as possible, but that costs too much. I'd rather get something that can fit my needs while being reasonably priced. I also still want to be able to play around with overclocking in addition to that 😁.
  25. Clamibot
    Seems what you want and what I want are very similar. I'd like a 17-19 inch laptop with just a desktop CPU, Zx90 series chipset so I can overclock the crap out of the CPU, and no dGPU. That would be perfect since as you said, the extra space afforded can give us a large battery, maybe even two or three. I remember some older laptops had dual battery options that would put the effective capacity over 100 Wh. The TSA only limits battery capacities to 100 Wh per battery. The limit for the number of batteries of that capacity that a single individual can take on a plane with them is 3. LOL imagine a DTR with tha abovementioned properties and a triple battery option. That'd leave ultrabooks in the dust on battery life. The thing with laptops is that if you're gaming on one, it's plugged in, so whether the GPU is physically inside the laptop or not does not matter. A slim eGPU + DTR with only a CPU would be the perfect setup. People who want a DTR probably don't care much about weight, so adding an eGPU to the list of things you have to carry is probably not a problem, especially if it's a slim and compact enclosure only a little larger than the actual GPU itself. I think eGPUs are going to be the future of GPU upgradeability in laptops since MXM is practically dead for regular consumers at this point. MXM is now only used in industrial settings as far as I'm aware. The performance penalty of externalizing the GPU has also massively decreased with the newer Thunderbolt 4 implementation.
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