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@Mr. Fox Wanna buy an EVGA RTX 4090 prototype for $13K?🤣 EVGA is selling off the rest of their RTX 4090 engineering samples that weren't given to youtubers: https://videocardz.com/newz/evga-is-auctioning-off-its-geforce-rtx-4090-prototype-for-charity

Dang! It's great to see how well AMD's offering has held up. This video you linked to pretty much sums up why I don't look at general relative performance charts. It's best to check hardware comparisons on a per game basis. Generally speaking, AMD's GPUs do better in newer titles, that is, those released 2016 and after, but the difference is still game dependent. Throw CPUs into the mix and you affect things even more. Based on all the research I've done, you have to spec your system around the software you use and games you play. For me, an Intel CPU + AMD GPU configuration would be best as I play multiple genres of games, including first person shooters, third person shooters, open world, realtime strategy, and also the occasional sandbox game. Pairing an Intel CPU with AMD GPU yields slightly more performance in games that are single core performance bound VS using an AMD CPU. Even then, sometimes the 5800X3D can match or beat the 13900K in games as some games benefit greatly from increased cache. So yeah, your system needs to be purpose built for the particular suite of applications that you use so you can get absolute maximum performance in those games and software.

If you have the Prema BIOS, which I think you do, you should do the following: Disable Ring Down Bin Set the performance mode to Hyperperformance I find that Hyperperformance mode yields the best stability while overclocking on this laptop, plus it opens up the power limits. Those are the only two settings I've adjusted for overlocking. I've set the non-turbo ratio to 8 so I can downclock and save power when using the laptop away from a power outlet. I'm also using adaptive voltage, but you'll of course get better results with static voltage. I just don't like using static voltage because it wastes power when the laptop is idle. I'm using Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut liquid metal on the CPU. The washers are just regular small sized washers that will fit the standard computer screws used in this laptop. The 4th CPU screw (the one that kinda hangs off to the side in a weird position) has also been cut off since it creates uneven mounting pressure on the CPU. As for the IHS, it's a 10th gen Rockitcool full copper IHS, which you can get here: https://rockitcool.myshopify.com/collections/10th-gen/products/copper-ihs-for-10th-gen If you'd like, I can message you pictures of the inside of my machine.

There sure are, but none that you can put in this laptop unfortunately.😞 You can use an eGPU with this laptop through the thunderbolt port, but I personally don't see a point in doing so. If You wanted to though, the 6700 XT is as powerful or more powerful as the 2080 Super depending on the game. Anything higher tier than the 6700 XT (6750XT, 6800, 6800 XT, and 6900 XT), is an upgrade over the 2080 Super. Welcome to the club brother!

Definitely thermal throttling. You can check to see if there is one core running significantly hotter than the others or if you just reached your thermal limit. There are a few ways to improve this of course. My heatsink is modded from zTecpc (using washers under the screws to increase mounting pressure, and the 4th CPU screw is cut off), my 10900K is a good bin from brother @Mr. Fox, it's delidded with liquid metal applied between the CPU die and IHS, I'm using the rockitcool full copper IHS, and I was using Phobya Nanogrease Extreme between the CPU and heatsink. With all of these improvements combined, I can do 5.5 GHz across 6 cores in games, 5.4 GHz all core for heavy productivity tasks, and 5.1 GHz all core in benchmarks. I have since repasted with liquid metal between the CPU and heatsink. Given a cold winter day, I could probably add another 100 MHz to the above speeds easily. I don't know of anyone else who has been able to achieve 5.5 GHz on this laptop to begin with though. I posted a picture of my results a while back. A good bin 10900K is definitely a prerequisite for anything higher than 4.9 GHz all core on this system. Even then, you'll only be able to take advantage of the silicon quality and open up the CPU with the mods I previously listed. Seriously, you can get a significant improvement in CPU speeds out of this laptop. I wish it was this way out of the box. Only way I can go any higher is if I get ahold of an even better bin 10900K. Full disclosure, the 10900K I got from @Mr. Fox is an SP 87, but it acts like an SP 100 chip. so the SP is not the end all be all. It overclocks extremely well. The only thing holding me back is thermals.

That's probably what's going to end up happening. I'm more interested in seeing what MSI or Clevo will come up with, especially Clevo.

Looks like Alienware is reviving their 18 inch laptop model: https://www.pcmag.com/news/alienware-is-reviving-the-brands-18-inch-gaming-laptop So we have Razer and Alienware announcing new 18 inch laptops. I'm liking this since it looks like we'll see the reemergence of 18 inch laptops. I'm hoping they're now here to stay since I like big screens and a big chassis. Hopefully there's at least one option that doesn't suck. Clevo definitely has an opportunity here to come in and completely curb stomp on the competition with a new model themselves. Here's to hoping!😁

Now I want those fans🤣 I'm a fan of Noctua's iPPC fans, but these Alphacool ones are supposedly even better performers at less than half the price! Buyers remorse kicking in now.😅 Ah well, it is what it is. Better stuff is always coming out. Now that I know about these Alphacool fans, I'm using them for future builds. The best thing that came from this is that I know have new knowledge.

You can use Intel XTU or Throttlestop to undervolt. I personally prefer XTU. If you use XTU, all you have to do is adjust the Core Voltage Offset slider. I thought the 4th SSD slot was still useable with a Comet Lake CPU, the only caveat being that you'd have to run the 4th SSD in SATA mode.

I have a similar setup on my Alienware 17. I use that laptop as a hackintosh, so I have the clover bootloader installed on it. I have the default boot option set as the clover bootloader, so it achieves the same thing as this BIOS option does for you. I do wish this was the default behavior on all systems since I switch operating systems back and forth often.

It could benefit us if we had liquid nitrogen AIOs. Gotta crank up that render distance in minecraft yo! Gotta get that awesome 240 fps in all games! I've personally started getting very interested in peltier coolers, so I think all my desktops from now on are going to have some form of extreme cooling. As a result, CPU binning is going to start playing a bigger role for me. Man don't you just love when your hobbies become more expensive the more entrenched you get in them?

Wow dang, you bought more 13900Ks? The achievable speed on all your samples speaks to how good the 13900K is. While we all want to acquire amazing samples, there is comfort in knowing even the average ones can clock really high as well. Extremely good bins have more relevance when you go into extreme overclocking. I do think I will be partially going the extreme route though as I am now hooked on peltier coolers working in tandem with a water cooler.

If 11th gen support hasn't been added, it wouldn't be a big deal since it's not really worth getting the 11900K over the 10900K. The latency increases really killed the IPC gains. As a result, both CPUs are pretty close in gaming performance, with the 11900K winning in some cases, but the 10900K winning in most cases. The 10900K is also undoubtedly the better productivity CPU as well, so it's the better CPU overall. Had latency remained the same for the cache and across cores, the 11900K would be a killer gaming CPU despite the increased power requirements and lower core count. The idea seemed to be to sacrifice a few cores to significantly increase single core performance, but unfortuntely latency increases negated those gains as I said before, and most 11900Ks don't overclock very well. Sonething really went wrong with that process backport. Also does anyone know if the 2 in 1 water/air hybrid cooler for this laptop performs any better than the modded zTecpc cooler on air only? It seems pretty interesting, but I'm not sure if it's really an upgrade on air cooling only vs the zTecpc modified heatsink. I'd much prefer a custom heatsink for this laptop with a giant unified vapor chamber for the CPU + GPU. Now that would be a big cooling upgrade!

AMD's RDNA 3 generation is looking pretty promising. I'm hoping we can actually find cards for MSRP. Personally, I'm interested in seeing a 7800 XT, hopefully for the same price as the 6800 XT launched at.

To add onto this, the problem with the platform longevity argument on the AMD side is that it's not really a benefit to most people, myself included. I usually only upgrade my CPU once every 6-7 years (with some exceptions, but very rare), and I'd imagine the average consumer can go 8, 9, maybe even 10 years without a CPU upgrade. After more than 5 years, you'll need a new motherboard anyway since the socket that was used by both Intel and AMD will have changed by then. In order to fully take advantage of the platform longevity, you have to be the type of user who upgrades their CPU every year. I know we have quite a lot of people like that on this forum, we're enthusiasts lol. I like the idea of platform longevity, but I'm just saying it's not relevant for most people. Also, we as enthusiasts would usually try to go for the motherboard with the most up to date chipset anyway so we can get the best features and overclocking abilities.

Pretty much same here. I prefer finding the max stable overclock for regular use cases as it's actually useful. I respect that heavy benching for hours on end is a hobby for some people and that brings them joy, but I'm interested in increasing productivity by shaving every last second I can off of video renders, code compilation, game builds, etc, and I want to maximize my framerate in games. I do the occasional cinebench test to see how well my settings hold up. If they hold up to at least 3 runs in a row without crashing the system, I say those settings are stable enough for regular usage. I will admit I also do it to show off sometimes.

My guess is the degradation they're seeing is from running too high a voltage on the CPU for too long. Out of anything you can do to a CPU, there is nothing that has more potential to permanently damage your CPU than voltages that are too high. Temps and power draw aren't really a problem, it's voltage. Although temps and power draw can definitely affect your CPU's longevity, voltage affects it much more. Heavy benching won't degrade the CPU unless you cross a certain voltage threshold. I'd say 1.4 volts on anything from Skylake up to Rocket Lake is a good long term max voltage that won't harm your CPU even if running 24/7 with that voltage. For Alder Lake and Raptor Lake, I think the maximum voltage considered safe for 24/7 operation is 1.3 volts, but I think you'll be fine up to 1.4 volts for long gaming sessions. It's when you exceed these values during long term operation that you may experience problems. I'd say if you never exceed 1.4 volts during a long 6 hour gaming session, you'll be fine. If you want to be super duper sure, find out what your max stable all P-Core overclock is using adaptive voltage with the voltage offset at 0mv and using conventional water cooling, like on a 360mm AIO. Take note of the highest voltage you see, and don't ever exceed that value.

Holy crap man! Those are amazing results. So does that mean you need to go buy yet another 13900K? Each time you buy one it gets better.

Does anyone know if a 420mm radiator will fit in the Cougar Panzer Max case? I have this case and the manual/documentation for it only says it supports up to a 360mm radiator both top and front mounted, but you can front mount three 140mm fans. I have a 360mm radiator front mounted, and it looks like there's a good 1.5-2 inches extra height. I ask because I want to get the Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 when I go out and acquire a 13900K, and I don't want to get another case. Fortunately there are holes in it for external water cooling, so I could go that route as well, but I'd rather stick with an AIO.

Unfortunately no. Prema has not updated his firmware to support Intel 11th gen CPUs on this laptop.

I'm happy to see the entire remastered trilogy is on Steam now and doesn't require Origin. I'm trying to ditch other storefronts as I want everything organized under my Steam library, which is by far the largest library of games I have. There are too many launchers. I hope the Origin store requirement is ripped out of the EA games on Steam. I'd happily rebuy all my Origin games on Steam just to have them in my Steam library if that happens. I haven't finished Crysis 3 yet, and probably won't finish it until I purchase the remastered series. I never finished the first one either funnily enough. The only one I've played all the way through is Crysis 2, and that was my introduction to the series. Time to play through all of them in chronological order. Crysis is one of the best action shooter series ever. I'd put it up at the top with the Just Cause series, Halo series, and Gears of War series.

The iGPU on Intel 11th gen and later CPUs seems to be a lot more robust than previous gens. I've been trying to overclock the crap out of the UHD 630 on my 10900K while I'm still waiting to get the GPU I want at a reasonable price. The UHD 630 barely has any overclocking headroom, even with my ML360 Sub-Zero running at full blast. 1.35 GHz is the max stable speed on it, only a 150 MHz increase over stock max, or a 12.5% overclock with a Peltier cooler running at full blast. That's very bad considering how cool I can keep the CPU.

High pitching whining sounds annoy the hell out of me as well. This is why I'm glad CRT screens went away. They always annoyed me when they were on. It's only high pitched sounds that bother me though. My Noctua iPPC 3000 RPM fans running at full blast do not bother me, even when I'm right next to my desktop.🤣

What about running direct die? Surely that would yield a significant improvement in temperatures still.

Reminds me of seeing people complain that the BRYDGE keyboard for the 12.9 inch iPad Pro is too heavy, even though it weighs less than a pound. There's no shortage of dinguses. If someone really thinks that a 7 pound laptop is heavy, they really need to go work out and beef up. I also can't believe people were complaining about a keyboard that weighed less than a pound!