Clamibot
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The reason this happened is because the liquid metal leeched into the copper on your heatsink. The first application will do this, but subsequent applications won't. Usually what you want to do is soak the copper with some liquid metal by applying some to the heatsink and letting it absorb in before doing another application of liquid metal and screwing the heatsink back in. Once the copper is saturated, your liquid metal applications will stop leeching into the copper, and your temperatures will stay the same. During my first foray into liquid metal, I actually applied too much, which ended up being a good thing since the liquid metal leeched into the copper, but there was enough left over that temperatures stayed the same. I'd say try again because you'll get better longevity out of the second application.
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I love the Premamod BIOS. There are so many options! I also prefer Intel XTU over Throttlestop. To me, XTU seems easier to use.
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I have the Premamod BIOS, but I thought XMP was supported even on the stock BIOS.
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I just bought an excellent sample 10900K from brother @Mr. Fox. I can't wait for it to arrive so I can start tuning it to see how well I can make it perform in my X170SM-G! @electrosoft If you're still doing testing with your Silicon Lottery 10900K and LTX Golden Sample, we can compare results and see what chip was able to deliver the best results in the X170SM-G.
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Yup, the power adapters are exactly the same as the ones used with the X170SM-G.
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*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D
Clamibot replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Well since the P-Core quality is better on your second chip, can't you disable the E-Cores to push the P-Cores further? I remember someone mentioning that the E-Cores hold the P-Cores back. If you disable the E-Cores, you should be able to run even higher speeds on your P-Cores with better stability. -
Wow, how did you find this? I'm going to keep this site bookmarked.
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This DC connector is most widely known as the MSI or Chichony rectangle plug/connector/tip. There are currently only 5 laptop models that use the 230 watt or 280 watt PSU with this adapter tip, all of which are either from MSI or Clevo. The best I can do is give you the part number for the 280 watt power supply, which is a18-280p1a. I couldn't find a part number for the actual adapter tip itself, but hopefully this information helps with the search. Here are all the known names for the DC connector based on terms I've seen mentioned by individuals and vendors: - MSI rectangle plug/connector/tip - MSI rectangular plug/connector/tip - Chichony rectangle plug/connector/tip - Chichony rectanglular plug/connector/tip - Clevo rectangle plug/adapter/tip - Clevo rectangular plug/adapter/tip - MSI square adapter tip - Chichony square adapter tip - Clevo square plug - USB square plug - Rectangle3 Hopefully this gives you new search terms you can use to find the part number. The last one (Rectangle3) is the most interesting one as it appears to be a manufacturer code name.
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Yes I noticed the pull tabs. Be careful with those as well since they break easily. I used those along with the hinge clamps as guides to properly orient the screen during reinstallation. Just disconnect the power cables and the battery and you'll be set. Unfortunately, it isn't possible to disconnect the screen cable without breaking the screen until you've sawed away the adhesive strips and removed the screen.
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The screen is held in by some adhesive pads that attach the screen to the housing. It's really stupid because it makes it very easy to damage your screen when removing it. That ended up happening to me. I removed my original screen to convert it into a glossy screen because I hate matte panels, and there wasn't a glossy panel available for this laptop. Fortunately, matte panels are just glossy panels with a matte anti-glare layer applied on top. Unfortunately, I cracked the screen during removal since I used too much force, and I had to get a new one 🤬. All you have to do is take a razor or a thin card and saw away at the adhesive. Be very careful and do not use too much force or bend the screen too much, or it will crack, which is exactly what happened to me. There are 2 long adhesive strips, one on the left side of the screen, and one on the right side. They are both applied vertically from the top to the bottom of the screen. Once you have removed your original screen, you can stick your new screen in the housing without applying any adhesives to keep it attached to the housing. Putting the bezel back on will keep the screen in, even if you literally throw the laptop across the room. Why Clevo decided to use adhesive strips to secure the screen is beyond me since the bezel already does a very good job of keeping the screen from falling out.
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I happily gamed on 17 inch laptops during flights. Everyone looked at me like I was crazy, but I really didn't care 🤣. The tray on the seat in front of me is smaller than the laptop, but it holds the laptop fine. I use the palmrest as a mousepad. This setup definitely gets uncomfortable after a while, but for a few hours, it's ok. I'm very glad I don't fly much because I know I'd rather be uncomfortable and having fun than not playing video games at all but being comfortable. Gaming would take priority over comfort for me.
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I'm using standard TIM. Specifically, I'm using Phobya Nanogrease Extreme.
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Dude, I'm soooo tempted to buy this from you. I need to figure out how to get rid of my current 10900K 🤣. From what I've seen, golden samples are wicked good. How high were you able to push this beast in your X170 single core and all-core?
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Heh heh. They are using the wrong definition for the word upgrade then. What they mean is expandable. Expandability is the ability to add onto the system by adding more RAM or more drives. Upgradeability is the ability to swap core parts like the CPU and GPU for newer generation parts that offer more processing power. Swapping a hard disk for an SSD would be classified as an upgrade. So would be swapping out your RAM for faster RAM. However, adding more of something is not upgrading the system, it's expanding it. So adding more drives or more RAM is not an upgrade, it's expanding the system. Their terminology is incorrect.
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Check to see that you haven't tightened the CPU screws down too much. There's a weird issue where overtightening the screws makes the laptop not boot. The screws should at most be hand tight plus an extra quarter to half turn. Did you try swapping your RAM to different slots? Sometimes that helps. I still have the original RAM that came with my laptop, which runs at a different speed than my current RAM, so if you have extra RAM lying around, you can perform a hardware change to give your laptop that swift kick in the butt it needs to start working again.
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Yes. Moving a drive to a different slot will not make it unbootable.
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Yeah that person definitely has no idea what they're talking about. My Clevo X170SM-G would like to have a word with this individual. I can sustain a 220 watt power draw on the CPU indefinitely, whether the GPU is running at full speed or not, and the GPU consumes about 220 watts under full load as well. That's a combined 440 watt power draw, which my laptop can sustain indefinitely. During the winter, I can even get the CPU up to 275 watts. My laptop can't sustain that indefinitely, but it can sustain that power draw from the CPU long enough to complete bursty workloads. No other laptop in the world can boost the CPU up to 275 watts. That's almost double what this individual claims previous DTRs were capable of. Perhaps they need to do more research to check their facts. Additionally, there's no reason to ridicule someone who is ridiculing a company for not delivering as good of a product as they delivered in the past. People who give a company a pass for delivering something worse than their previous products, and then defending that company's decision have something seriously screwed up with their thought process. I think the day where I'm forced to make my own laptop is getting closer. I've been contemplating it for a while since MXM upgrades are ridiculously expensive. I may actually end up doing it if I become frustrated enough with the current state of the market for us enthusiasts. I've been slowly updating my parts list over the past 6 years 🤣.
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I typically avoid using Clevo Control Center for overclocking, undervolting, or just general tuning on my system. I uninstalled it since I don't need anything it provides, and I have the performance mode of my laptop set to Hyperperformance in the BIOS. For CPU overclocking/undervolting, I'd highly recommend using Intel XTU. XTU provides a lot of options to tune your system to your liking. Many forum members prefer Throttlestop, but I prefer XTU. I've always liked it more. For GPU overclocking, I recommend MSI Afterburner. You can customize the interface and you have core and memory frequency controls, along with monitoring for various things (such as core and memory frequency, individual CPU frequencies, etc). However if you're dead set on using Clevo Control Center for your tuning needs, it has options for overclocking the CPU and GPU. You can set the CPU frequency and voltage offset only if the laptop is set to performance mode within the power mode section. You can also set the GPU core and memory frequencies.
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Ray Tracing on M18xR2 - RTX 3000 MXM Upgrade!
Clamibot replied to ssj92's topic in Alienware 18 and M18x
@DDAY3493 Thanks for all of this information. We now have a nice little upgrade guide here for anyone who wants to stick a Quadro RTX 5000 in their Alienware 18. -
*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D
Clamibot replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
K5 Pro seems to hold pretty well. I've taken off the heatsink on my Clevo X170 and put it back on multiple times now without reapplying anything. The first time I took off the heatsink, I thought the thermal pads had melted! I didn't know what K5 Pro was until I found out that zTecpc applies it to components that would traditionally have thermal pads on them, such as VRAM chips and VRMs. K5 Pro is gooey, but also pretty viscous. It'll hold for multiple remounts of the heatsink. The same goes for thermal paste. I don't normally bother repasting as I can just reseat the thermal paste that is already there and have the heatsink respread the paste for me as I put it back on. -
To be fair, if you want more power, all that's needed is the addition of a second power inlet port. In this case, if all laptops were to go to USB-C ports for power delivery, we'd just need 2 USB-C ports on the laptop with PD support. With the new USB-C power rating, 2 ports with PD support allows for a maximum power draw of 480 watts, which is enough to power a true DTR. I think it'd be pretty neat for laptops to all drop their proprietary chargers in favor of a standard power delivery port. That may get us back on track to develop new standards across all laptops, some of which are hopefully socketed CPUs and graphics cards like what we had before. The more standards used across all laptops that there are, the better.
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Unless you're someone like Khenglish and have some mad soldering skills. That dude soldered a freaking desktop GTX 980 GPU core to an MXM card that originally had a 980m GPU core on it, and then he made it work perfectly! He could probably do something similar with this laptop, that is, he can bin some 12900Ks, desolder the CPU off the laptop, solder the best 12900K in its place, and then bam! You now have a better binned CPU in the Scar Strix 17 SE. It's very impractical, but still doable, just not for the average user. It's not even doable for a lot of us on this forum, myself included 🤣.
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The fact that this laptop has good BIOS options (ex: being able to disable the e-cores) is promising. How high can the CPU's P-cores be overclocked with the e-cores disabled? I'm glad there's an option to disable the e-cores since the P-cores are what matter in games anyway. I think I saw someone before do 5.5 GHz all P-core on a 12900K while pulling 187 watts. They disabled the e-cores to achieve that. Assuming that the i9 12950HX is a binned 12900K, 5.5 GHz all P-core may be achievable within the 175 watt PL2. Assuming this laptop gets a refresh with an i9 13950HX when Raptor Lake releases, we may be able to achieve 6 GHz clock speeds in this laptop when the CPU is overclocked. Now that would be an amazing feat, even if it wasn't across all the P-cores. Even having that on one or two cores in a laptop would be an amazing feat. Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but hey, one can dream right? The power allowance should allow for such a thing to happen if the thermals can be kept under control.
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Clevo made the NH55JNNQ, which is a 15 inch laptop with an LGA socket for 12th gen Intel desktop CPUs. The GPU is BGA, but at least the CPU is a socketed desktop CPU. The Clevo X270 should've at least had an LGA socket for desktop CPUs as well. If the X270 truly is what this video shows, then Asus's ROG Strix Scar 17 SE is a better offering. That laptop is full BGA as well, but has a monster unified vapor chamber heatsink, and the CPU is a desktop CPU, just adapted to a BGA socket. Perhaps Clevo will come out with another offering that is a 17 inch laptop with an LGA socket for a future Intel desktop CPU. It's hard to believe they'd abandon true DTRs completely since that has been their specialty for decades now. If Clevo truly has abandoned true DTRs, then I guess it's back to mainstream brands then. Sigh...
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Ray Tracing on M18xR2 - RTX 3000 MXM Upgrade!
Clamibot replied to ssj92's topic in Alienware 18 and M18x
Quadro RTX 5000 in an Alienware 18? That sounds amazing! Routing video through the iGPU may be affecting how high the screen can overclock. The iGPU has a lot less performance and memory bandwidth than a dGPU, so it would stand to reason that it wouldn't be able to support as high of a screen overclock since it's not as capable of a GPU. That may explain the artifacting at higher screen overclocks. However, I've seen iGPUs drive 120 Hz and 144 Hz displays before, so that may not be it. Another potential explanation is the output bandwidth allowed by the internal connection from the iGPU to the screen. Alienware laptops from 2013 and before have a MUX switch that allows for switching between optimus mode and dGPU only mode. The input into the MUX coming from the iGPU may have less bandwidth available to it than the output into the MUX coming from the dGPU. This would make sense since the dGPU is much more powerful, and can therefore deliver a much higher framerate than the iGPU. In short, there is a design limitation somewhere causing the artifacting. Since you were able to get higher screen overclocks in dGPU only mode than you can in optimus mode, my guess is it has something to do with the bandwidth of the video output traces on the motherboard that go from their respective GPUs into the MUX switch. I don't know if both MUX switch inputs have the same bandwidth or not, but I'm guessing they probably don't.
