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I do prefer slower fan ramp up. The X170KM had trouble dealing with the heat generated by the 11900K at high clock speeds. Even 1-2 core loads would send it into the 50dB range. I guess a better binned CPU might have helped things but I did not try that. Oh and I will note that new MSI machines do not work with Silent Option, the only choice is their UWP Control Center app. As far as the Precision goes CAMM might get cheaper if we see aftermarket modules. So far I know that SK Hynix and Samsung are producing OEM CAMM modules for Dell directly using the same IC's you might find on a SODIMM. It may also help if they deliver on their promise that CAMM is superior if you can operate at 4800MT/s with 128GB capacity, while SODIMMs operate at 4000MT/s or such. Maybe MSI just does not have as established relationship as Asus for vapor chamber manufacturing - Asus had them on G752 with 1080 mobile IIRC, over five years ago.
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@jaybee83 By chance do you have any high resolution photos of the backside? I was curious if the Parade PS8461 Mux IC was physically present on the NJ55JNNQ board as it would mean there is a chance may enable it in a future firmware update. It would probably be on the backside opposite the eDP connector.
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The Strix Scar 17 SE isn't too bad. The vapor chamber works well although the firmware also does not ramp up fans very quickly which also helps with noise. I am not really interested in the GT77 even if it has more expansion capabilities. The GE76 had loud fans with a high pitched whine to them that would ramp up and down quickly, and buggy control software so setting a custom curve would not consistently work. The Precision is interesting but we still don't know its allowed CPU limits. If anything we know it will likely be pretty quiet just like the 7760, the CAMM memory will be expensive (2000USD for 128GB if I had to guess), but it will have a better looking chassis and support for Windows 10 / Linux.
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Yeah, I poked around with it a bit last month. I also have a HyperX 2666CL15 Samsung B-die dual rank 2x16GB kit that I tried setting a custom profile at 3200CL16 1.2v last month, but sadly it could not train and got stuck in a boot loop so I gave up after a few tries. The same memory runs fine configured that way in my boss's Eluktronics MAX 17 11800H (with the Prema BIOS!). My hope is Eurocom will get a bios update from Clevo with more stuff working at some point, maybe because they are selling the 12700k/12900k and BGA HX competition they have a reason to allow users to get the most out of this system. I know it is not impossible because I have read about XMG getting the NH55VR bios tuned to better support the 5950x within the chassis power limits.
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The NH5xJ uses DDR4. I have a HyperX dual rank Micron E-die IC 2x16GB kit in mine which works fine at 3200 CL20 Gear 1 from its JEDEC profile.
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Not much on the hardware side. I have had the 12900 installed (with Nanogrease Extreme) for the past couple of weeks but I want to re-install the Newegg 12900k again for some more testing. I do have Fedora 36 with the 5.18.3 kernel installed which works well. Optimus isn't the ideal configuration but with Nvidia set as the Primary GPU it can drive both displays without tearing at different refresh rates.
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Yeah, maybe it has a unified vapor chamber with heatpipes soldered to it going to the fin stacks.
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Looks like soldered wifi. Also photos show a heatpipe heatsink even with a high end GPU so does that mean no vapor chamber? In theory with that setup it could still handle 125W sustained on the CPU if the GPU is inactive or not present.
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These days supporting dynamic boost as a feature is an almost guarantee of a GPU biased heatsink. The CPU cooling is an afterthought. I would love it if a manufacturer would move to non unified designs with known sustained limits. The extra TDP Nvidia dangles like a carrot on a stick is not worth it.
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Different machines. The XMG was the B550 AMD + BGA 3070 model which does indeed have the heatsink pictured. It also has no iGPU support so all display outputs are wired to the 3070 which is a superior config. It is not like any of these machines are winning awards for battery life.
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To me anything labeled as a DTR should be as modular as one might find an ITX board. So modular cpu, gpu, memory, storage, wifi. The closest for Alder Lake would be high end mobile workstations from Dell, HP and Lenovo. The NH55JNNQ could have also fit the bill if they had a model without any Nvidia GPU.
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They gave me that keyboard as well. It is UK English. Still have an open support ticket asking the correct one to be shipped to me.
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Mine took three days to build and ship. It was in transit with UPS Ground for a week, traveling from Montreal, clearing customs, to Colorado. Its odd that the QHD screens were backordered. Sager has had all of the BGA 12700H 15 inch models from Clevo in stock that use the same screen for a month now. Those BGA models also have a functional MUX switch too which is very frustrating.
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Yeah, with Throttlestop it should be possible to lock the limits as high as the EC allows. I don't expect to get the same as gaming machines allow, like the GT77 157W CPU / 75W+175W Combined, just because this is a business system and needs to be more conservative. Although I would hope with improved thermals and a vapor chamber we can get a higher CPU limit as the cooling system isn't biased towards both CPU and GPU in operation. Its a shame, because the gaming systems have become so gaudy and are either high performance and plastic chassis, or thin and light but better build quality. There are also issues with running Windows 10 and even Linux on those systems so the business models have some advantages.
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The upgrade price is the cost of a complete NH55JNNQ system board with the BGA 3070Ti.
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@Aaron44126Was the rep particularly pushy about selling a warranty upgrade with the system? I spoke to one and he quoted the same price with or without a very expensive warranty package. They quoted me $4000 for the following: 12950HX 32GB Non-ECC CAMM DDR5-4800 256GB SSD 3080Ti FHD 60hz 100% DCI-P3 with FHD non-IR camera Non-backlit keyboard (whoops) No SSD door/Security devices Windows 10 Pro 96W Battery 4 year ProSupport Hopefully the sustained CPU TDP with the GPU idle is much higher than 75W. As far as combined loads, 65W+150W would be great, but my guess is not enough headroom with the 240W power brick.
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Nice! Did the Dell rep happen to have more details on the sustained CPU power limits?
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If I recall there is a Lenovo Legion 7 with 6900hx and 6850m using a unified vapor chamber in the works. It should support 64GB DDR5 and would likely be able to swap in a 1920x1200 16 inch 165hz panel. The unified vapor chamber is nice because in pure CPU loads it is very overbuilt. If the Strix had a better factory LM job I am sure it would be scoring as good or better than the GT77. It is a shame that they only offer the vapor chamber on the 3080Ti config...
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He got pretty lucky with the paste job if he can sustain 160W on the 12900HX. The phase change pad on the GE76 12900HK had very high core temp differentials.
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Yes it is pretty quiet in general. Even with the 3080Ti at 175W and 12950HX at 50W running a game. Throttlestop has everything available. XTU also supports manipulation of almost everything except memory related stuff. XTU even lets you customize the VF Curve voltage offsets. I have heard that AMD is more efficient at lower wattages. The Clevo can do the same but you need to be willing to spend the time to find a good CPU and ensure it has a good paste application and potentially delid as well. Nothing formal so far, but I will say that neither machine has full Windows 10 support. The Clevo could really be a winner if it had a MUX and we had access to a shop like silicon lottery where you can buy better bin CPUs easily. I do prefer 17 inch screens but prefer FHD which the Scar does not have. The scar also has some pretty crappy bios bugs out of the box. In order to boot linux, it has to have both USB-C ports unplugged and the thumbdrive in the bottom USB-A port or else there is not enough free memory in the first 4GB address range for the kernel to live in. So basically it is very much a "designed for Windows 11" machine.
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E-cores enabled: 55W PL1/PL2 15064 Core temps: 65C fans 2000rpm Ambient temps 76F E-cores disabled: 90W PL1/PL2 14748 Core temps: 65C fans 3000rpm Ambient temps 76F
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Maybe ZtecPC could be convinced to bin the CPU on the Strix Scar 17 SE if they sell them. I am sure there are customers who would pay extra money for a known good sample, especially if they are repasting them or doing other mods already.
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It is still missing options that would make me consider it on par with their Strix desktop boards. No PL1/PL2 config, No fan table config, No RGB config or atleast a disable override, No MUX switch config. So basically you still are tied to Armory Crate in Windows. The RGB gets reset to the default rainbow preset with a bios update, so you probably want to always keep it around even with services disabled, unless there are Linux tools that have reverse engineered Asus Strix RGB protocols so it can configured that way. There is a bios option to enable/disable the boot up sound at least. With e-cores disabled the P-cores can sustain 4.2ghz. There is thermal throttling and core differences between 87C-96C so it settles on pulling 142W. So it may not have a great LM job from the factory. I saw up to 17400 CBR23.
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Sure, let me know a specific benchmark and I will try and run it. This morning I tried booting up a Fedora 36 Live USB but ran into an error: error: ../../grub-core/kern/mm.c:376:out of memory. Best I can tell it happens on certain laptops and is related to either the TPM (which is bad because there is no bios option to disable that), or Intel VMD being enabled (the factory config is Raid 0 SSD's). So now I am looking at making an Asus restore image so I can reinstall without VMD/Raid0 configured.
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Yep, it arrived and definitely can outperform the NH55JNNQ just because of the higher power limits. Interestingly enough applying an undervolt to P-cache also crashes the system so that issue isn't related to Clevo. I am not sure if the Strix is designed to use both power sources at the same time, or could take advantage of the Eurocom 780W brick for that matter. I did post a thread for that model in the Asus sub section as well, so we can discuss about it.
