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Yes there is but it is hidden by Clevo. I modified the hidden option and now the cores are not visible in the OS. I tried modifying the hidden MUX option as well but it resulted in a black screen. File_DXE_driver_DriverSampleDxe_SetupUtility IFR.txt
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I did not run the single core test. I noticed rockitcool offers a delid service including their copper IHS for $70, does that seem decent? Is there some way I can tell if my 12900 is a good bin other than installing it in a desktop board with no power or thermal constraints?
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Here is with throttlestop with PL1 set to 120W. It is higher than I have seen with any 12900hk atleast.
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Performance mode has PL1 set to 70W and PL2 set to 150W. CBR23 17800 with the stock paste job at those limits. I am using some generic DDR4-3200 CL22 memory for now, any suggestions for something better (has to be 32GB kit). Mine is the 140W 3070Ti. Fan noise is better than the X170KM. The weight is fine, great for traveling and lap use despite having a modular CPU. The keyboard does not flex, but mine did arrive with what I think is the UK English layout despite ordering with the US English option.
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Yeah the user manual had photos of the bios showing the mux option. Unless this motherboard variant does not have the mux chip. As far as the heatsink goes it is strange because there is clearly a channel for a heatpipe going to the other fan. Maybe the 3060 model ships with a 3 CPU heatpipe solution? Oh and yes it has a 2.5 inch drive bay.
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The heatsink is different than the photos on Eurocom's site. It does have 4 screws for the CPU, but only two heatpipes going to just one fan. For Entertainment mode, PL1 is 65W, PL2 is 125W. HWInfo64 says 240A for its IccMax. The bios has no MUX option and the display is connected to the iGPU. It will not be great if it cannot be switched to the Nvidia GPU.
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I wish they made a similar but less featured product that just combines USB-A and DP 1.4 and optionally power delivery into a single USB-C for use with gaming monitors.
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Technically Alder Lake S Desktop chips have 8 lanes of Gen4 equivalent bandwidth for the DMI link, 15.6GBps total. That should carry over to the mobile WM690 chipset as well. It should have a single x4 M.2 Gen4 slot connected to the CPU, just like the 7560/7760. It was actually a very nice upgrade for the storage situation with Tiger Lake in general, had there not been the buggy disconnect switch issue.
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@Dell-Mano_GAny chance we might see a 32-64GB CAMM XMP module as the tech matures? Is the palm rest and keyboard temperature still relatively uniform with the new cooling design? Is the AX211 Wifi a modular card or soldered to the system board? Will discrete graphics direct output mode for the TB4 ports still be an option? Any chance these models can support traditional S3 Standby in addition to Modern Standby? Thanks!
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Nice! Mine with FHD did ship late last week so I should get it this week. Maybe if I am lucky the 12900 will be a decent bin. If not then I will just use it at lower power limits until I can either bin a 12900k myself or purchase one from someone moving to a 12900ks or raptor lake.
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Yeah, I kind of gave up on the X170KM. How is the fan noise on the X170SM with the binned CPU? Does it jump up under short bursts like loading a web page? Ideally for me the fans could be running at a constant low RPM, and smoothly adjust upward under sustained load.
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Thanks. It will be good to have more information about it so we can know the limitations and hurdles instead of just speculating. If anything it should be a good alternative to high end full BGA which have their own different set of issues and limitations. From what I understand the bios option that allows XTU and TS to work should still be supported on H670, correct? It does not matter if it is hidden or not by the stock bios as I can always modify it using EFI setup variables. No G-Sync or Advanced Optimus. There should be a MUX as it is described as having one in the user manual. All of the tests Eurocom ran were in hybrid mode as it shows the Intel HD 770 GPU listed in the results. The manual also describes the HDMI, mDP and USB-C all connected to the Nvidia GPU as well.
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Based on a previous Comet Lake LGA H570 Clevo design (NK50KK) this one may have a 5 phase VRM capable of up to 210A, so maybe 150W max if load voltage does not exceed 1.4v and the cooling system can handle it. Compared to the X170SM which has an 8 phase VRM capable of 245A from it's service manual specs. Unsure about the 3070Ti. The Australian reseller says 130W, and the German reseller says 140W. No mention of dynamic boost. Given that Clevo also has the PD50PNN with a BGA 3070Ti, I would guess its probably the same as that, 140W including 15W dynamic boost according to RJTech specs. I ordered one of these from Eurocom with a 12900, FHD, and 3070Ti. Maybe other US resellers will eventually carry them but for now they seem focused on Clevo's full BGA models like the above mentioned PD50PNN.
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Maybe it is higher, but probably not as high as the X170 if I had to guess. I am unsure about binning but it does sound like it could be worthwhile. I wish Silicon Lottery were still operating so I could just purchase a good chip for it as some had done for the X170SM. Would the 12900 option not be as good of a bin as a 12900k given its lower rated turbo speeds? Would the Rockit copper relid be something worthwhile to consider? I think the shipped bios only has a handful of options just like the X170KM. There is one for a MUX control, and a Legacy Game Mode which parks the E-cores from the description. I would imagine that an unlocked bios could be made if it were worthwhile. I asked Eurocom for a copy of the service manual so I could look at the VRM specs, but they said Clevo had not released it yet. I have not heard if Sager is going to carry this model. There is a company in Germany and Australia that have it listed.
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Are there any specific BIOS options needed to be able to take advantage of a binned CPU? What would be a good CPU to go for in a machine like this? iGPU is likely required as this one has a MUX switch unlike the X170. I think it only allows a sustained 90W PL1 in performance mode. They posted some benchmarks that seem to correlate that here: https://eurocom.com/ec/benchmark(255)RaptorX15
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One would hope the A5500 mobile would have been 310-bit/20GB or even 384-bit/24GB memory, similar to the higher end desktop parts but at lower TDP. Asus/Nvidia proved a laptop using a chip like that was viable with the ProArt Studiobook One W590 over a year ago. It is great that these new 7670 / 7770 chassis have USB-C and USB-A on both sides.
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MSI Raider GE76 12th Generation - Costco Special
win32asmguy replied to qadhi79's topic in Bargains & Sales
Sure. Both in stock? QHD or FHD panel? How much of a price difference? 165W vs 150W? More VRM phases? Same memory clock speeds? If it is QHD I would opt for the 3080 so long as it was no more than $200 extra. Certainly a better deal than the $900 upgrade price they want for the 3080ti in the US market. Technically the Costco special is $1100 cheaper, but limited to the FHD panel option. -
Dell added RTX 3080 options to their Precision 7560/7760 late last year. They are thicker business machines that are very well built, modular and easily repairable. They have conservative TDP's which is probably a turn off for people looking for max performance, although because of that they are not very noisy or hot.
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MSI Raider GE76 12th Generation - Costco Special
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Maybe left over chips from their previous generation production allocation. No reason to not pair them with a 12th Gen CPU at this point. -
MSI Raider GE76 12th Generation - Costco Special
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Was Costco able to ship your order out promptly? So far I think even a modest -50mv undervolt has helped with fan noise in the default Balanced mode. No fan spikes or pulsing any more and slightly higher all-core turbo speeds possible. -
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Yes. The option is in the Intel igpu command center app. It is odd that gsync is not supported. Not even an explanation of why. -
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The GE76 240hz QHD panel does support VRR in hybrid mode. It is a 400 nit panel. Sadly the stock 12900HK phase change thermal material still has 10+ degrees core temp differentials under load. Idle temps are 40C which is good. It can be undervolted unlike the 12700H. -
How did you measure undervolting working on it? Everyone seems to indicate that only the 12900HK can undervolt this generation. The 16:10 1920x1200 165hz panel is really nice. It is a shame that it is regarded as inferior to the 2560x1600 option even though it allows for use without DPI scaling. I guess if they could bump its refresh rate up to 300hz then it could at least be appealing as an Esports option. It appears Lenovo will also offer it on their Legion 5 Pro paired with the 3050Ti. Maybe as a spare part it could be installed into the 3060/3070/3070Ti model. That would be much better than the Asus performance and noise wise even if it is heavier and with the comical 300W Lenovo brick. Has anybody tried Windows 10 on these Alder Lake mobile models to see how they perform?