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keeping a lookout on any new info 🙂 as will all of us here, surely! 😁

chip off the old block 😄

this whole "keeping binned chips for themselves" has so far only been rumours, any hard facts / sources to actually back that up? definitely not enough for me to splurge on an FE card 😅 same with the wattage, so far only rumours that cards "might" go above 450W. ive heard that basically all cards are actually designed for 600+W but that last minute Nvidia puiled the decision and reduced TDP to 450W. still, we dont know yet what the actually reachable TDP max will be for FE and AIB cards. as for custom / high wattage vbios versions, they tend to leak out sooner or later, so not really worried about accessibility 😄

OP updated with details on the mouse and also an additional section for planned system upgrades in the near future (minor upgrades that is, i.e. cooling, storage, lighting, etc.). Btw, Asus mainboard reserved for my order and confirmed in stock, hoping for a shipping conirmation by tomorrow! As for CPU AiO, Keyboard and Case, they should all be in stock and hopefully shipping by end of this week 🙂

i doubt average joe would care about 24 Mhz in exchange for the added noise 😄

not surprising tbh, the trends ive been seeing especially for DDR5 are craaaaazy. I couldve saved 70€ just by waiting for 2 weeks when ordering my 6600 kit from G.Skill haha

yes the FE look sleek and its best in class in terms of pricing....but warranty is just at minimum level (2 years) plus Nvidia is known for locking down its FE cards HARD in terms of vBios flashing. two factors I cannot ignore and why I very likely be going with Zotac and their 5 yr warranty. Thanks for linking the official prices btw! Gives me a better idea of what kinda price to expect in Europe, should be around 2050-2100€ and that means that Caseking is already overpricing their listed Zotac 4090 cards by a lot (i.e. Airo going for 2279€). And yeah, Asus has completely lost their minds this time around....so far I havent seen ANYTHING justifying such insane prices for their skus, especially the Strix OC model. Anyone care to enlighten me here? LOL im literally just watching Roman's vid right now and thought to myself: holy crap, that card looks HUGE in his "tiny" hands! 😂

ok cool then, so no buyer's remorse from my side! (unlikely anyways haha)

sounds like u made the right decision 🙂

welp....ure comparing running Noctua fans balls to the wall vs. an AiO. no matter what cpu u compare at such baselines, ull likely get very similar results in terms of clocks gained or temps lowered. Id wager aside from the likes of brother @Mr. Fox the regular user would not use his cooling fans full tilt all the time. That said, if you look at the whole cooling range, clock difference DO indeed become very significant, but all of them at the same target temp, namely 95C. As mentioned before, compare this with how a gpu behaves at stock. Strap an AiO on a 3090 Ti and it'll only clock max. 100 Mhz higher, if at all compared to a good air cooler. No difference here, CPUs, especially AMD ones, are becoming more and more like GPUs in their boosting behaviour. And just like GPUs have a temp target, so do CPUs now. I have to disagree here. A threshold at which performance degrades would be more like how Intel CPUs behave. They have a set max. multicore boost, i.e. 5.2 Ghz all core, which holds steady until TjMax / thermal throttling point is reached, upon which they start to downclock. Zen 4 does not behave like that, it rather "looks" at the given thermal headroom / cooling implemented and boosts as high as it can go until reaching 95C, at which point it plateaus. Thus, the temperature is now less meaningful than the actually reached clocks. A good indicator for this difference in behaviour is the fact that ALL four Zen 4 CPUs show this behaviour and shoot up to exactly 95C no matter what kind of cooling is applied. If it was just a fact of the cpus "running hot", then surely a 6 core 7600X would show way lower peak temps and a 7950X, no? But instead, they all target the same set 95C and just differ in the respective clocks. Granted, as GN recently detailed in a video, there actually IS also a power cap in addition to the target temp, so throwing LN2 on the chip does not mean itll still boost all the way up to 95C, that would entail reaching 1000W+ lulz 😄 Point here being, that the power cap is way way higher than ambient cooling could conceivable provide thermal headroom for to keep below 95C. Thanks for bringing up this point, as I already mentioned above in reply to brother Fox! One thing to consider here is also that this 95C temp target is only for heavy all core loads. Gaming and regular desktop usage will not push the cpus far enough for them to be pegged at 95C 24/7. So as opposed to Intel chips, where crappy vendors such as Dell or Apple just let them hit TJMax at 100C and throttle to kingdom come, this 95C set point did not come from a vendor or from insufficient cooling, but rather directly from AMD to instruct Zen 4 cpus to boost as long as 95C is not reached and the much higher wattage cap is not breached either. Exactly! I think its pretty safe to assume that not thermal throttling or melt-downs will happen if AMD specifically set this target temp for clock boosting at 95C. Again, to clarify here, since a LOT of people are so used to Intel cpu boosting behaviour and seem to draw the wrong conslusions: - the 95C temp target is not comparable to the Intel cpu TjMax. the former is a set point, until which clocks are boosted, the latter is a threshhold, upon reaching starts to decrease clocks due to thermal throttling. the end results are vastly different from each other. - Since all Zen 4 cpus have that thermal set point at 95C, its not just about "HAHA AMD cpu runs hot and goes brrrrrr" it just rather means than in order to judge a cooling implementation, clocks are now more important than temps. - the 95C set point is not set in stone. If you dont like it, just change it in bios! "problem" solved 😄

and now lets include the most important factor here: frequency and thus performance 😉 95C is just the target to which the cpu will boost to. improve the cooling, temp target stays the same buuuut... clocks go higher! thats the whole idea bud 😄 at this point 95C is just a number, doesnt really tell u anything. gotta look at the resulting frequency. its not comparable to intel cpus where hitting TJMax would result in thermal throttling. the clocks just "stop climbing", they dont regress.

kool. although a bit late to the market, still curious to see what the upcoming 990 pro has to offer. i have a feeling thats gonna be the pcie 4.0 drive they "should have" introduced right from the get go, i.e. correcting their "meh" 980 Pro lineup.

i dont really have a proper context for an RX6600 Desktop, how does it compare to 2080S and 3080 mobile?

well generally, as long as u only mess with clocks and not voltage (which aint possible with current gpus anyways, except unverdolting) temps shouldnt change much, thus deterioration rates would not increase at all. best thing to do, of course, is to do both UV and OC at the same time 🙂

congratz on the long-distance move, i know how u feel! same goes for the significant climate change, getting used to the cold yet? i think ill still need a while... 😅

aha, ok! that config would change things up consideably, having both top and bottom intakes 🙂 good thing that caseking provides such config templates, kudos to them! thats weird stuff with the eiswolf 2 bud, makes me skeptical to invest money in that... be that as it may, ill have to check air cooling performance first on the 4090 and see what i can improve there via liquid metal, repadding (depending on how godód/bad the stock pads are) and hopefully some 600+W leaked vbios without EVGA KP to help us out this time....

nice find, i especially like the fact that redditor was able to push the TDP to 130W+, thus making this a fullblown desktop 6600 🙂

thatll take yeaaaars before we see anything even resembling an early alpha... but still, will be on the lookout

boo indeed! BGA graphics FTL, why didnt they at least offer a 3080 option?! ugh... at least "nice" to see that all compatible cpus are ACTUALLY compatible with that machine's socket...soo...applause for implementing the absolute minimum, i guess?

dude, talk about LAN flex 😄 noice!

60 bucks, WTH! is there at least an option for OG owners to get it for free or heavily reduced price? i dont care personally, just interested in game prices and this trend of remakes in general...

and people here think IM doing a crazy-ass balls to the all, money no object build? id consider my upcoming setup in the "budget" class compared to this 😂

whoa monster post, thanks for all the input and feedback! glad to see that that missing option in the poll is likely of no consequence for most users here. us pc freaks seem to be few and far between, so its nice to have a place like NBT where we can rejoice in our high fps and low temps 🤘😁 but even for me as a decades long hardware enthusiast, ive only started researching stuff like keyboards and power supplies in more depth when i started planning this build about 3 years ago. since i needed all that time to save up, it gave me more than ample time to actually dig in and research what kind of standards and features to look out for. btw, speaking of the 7950X and building excitement, it arrived today! 🤠thats 6 out of 11 components in hand now, were making serious progress! 😎 ill update the OP accordingly. LOL someone's excited for that new Evo case hahaha! tbh im not a big fan of vertical gpu mounting, main reason for that were sub-par temps. and ive always been a guy who goes for function over form 😄 HOWEVER, im curious to see if that sidemounted vertical gpu position in the Evo would make a difference. ud basically get fresh air from the bottom intakes, lead it onto the GPU and then out of the case (do i assume correctly that the area behind the gpu would be fan outtake holes connected to outside of the case?). at the same time, if the gpu sucks up too much of that fresh air, u might be hindering the cpu cooling, since it depends on front to back air movement as opposed to bottom to top/side flows. keep us updated on this when u get the case! as for the alphacool eiswolf, ive actually been considering that on and off (still undecided) as a custom option to watercool the gpu. im surprised to see that u didnt experience any improvement in temps? is the stock air cooler that good or was it maybe sub-par mounting of the eiswolf block? could also be that the quick disconnects on the eiswolf tubes restrict water flow too much and thus cause meh temps? edit: OP updated with 7950X received and details on the CPU cooling!

Team Red all the way I can see hahaha The X570S Ace from MSI was actually in my potential mobo list when i was still saving up and updating the build list every time something new came out. pretty strong VRMs and lots of I/O for a pretty good price. hows the 6900XT treating u so far?

Updated OP with details on the case 🙂 Also, the poll looks like its coming along nicely! Keep on voting guys, really interested in your plans / hardware choices!