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    CPU performance curves look like this. Diminishing returns as the power usage goes up. (This particular chart is showing Alder Lake P cores and E cores plotted together. E cores are more efficient than P cores at low power levels but not at high power levels.) Source (interesting read) https://chipsandcheese.com/2022/01/28/alder-lakes-power-efficiency-a-complicated-picture/
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    If I am reading this right, for example, the 162W figure is the max for CPU and GPU combined on the Precision 7770. So the only way you'll get close to that on the GPU is if the CPU workload is very light. ...Which is fine, but it means don't expect to be pushing 150W on the GPU and then another 50W on the CPU, I guess.
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    This should work up to 10 Gbe easily. (...You could probably push 2.5 Gbe over regular USB-C.)
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    Can you take a look at this batch? Also one more popped in from another user since then: Does the Ethernet port support 2.5Gbe? Thanks.
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    So, I've been informed (by someone who is not a sales rep) that ordering 7X70 is not supposed to be enabled yet, so orders put in now may or may not be canceled. ...Keep that in mind if you try to put a quote through to order right now. (More as I hear it.) It's not a sticker or something printed on, it's embedded in the display bezel. If you managed to get the silver logo out, there would still be a "DELL-shaped hole" where it used to be.
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    There are two fingerprint reader models available. FIPS = more secure, a bit finicky and slow Non-FIPS = way faster FIPS is a gold square thing that sits beneath the keyboard on the right side. Non-FIPS actually integrates directly into the power button. My thoughts on security are, it basically depends on the purpose. Who do you think is going to be breaking into your computer? A girlfriend can snoop on your keyboard password entry but would have a harder time with your fingerprint. An evil nation state agent who hijacked your laptop during travel might have trouble brute forcing your password but no trouble lifting a fingerprint. (I got non-FIPS for mine. I use this in the Precision 7560 and like it a lot. It's very convenient to use and I'm not in a situation where I'm worried about someone trying to lift fingerprints and break in. I used FIPS in a number of prior systems and was generally frustrated by it.) If you have both fingerprint and IR camera, you can set it up to use either to log in. It's well documented at this point. Other than the "SSD door" drive slot, the other NVMe drives run through the PCH which only supports PCIe3 in Tiger Lake. I don't know why the order page is like that, but nothing is keeping them from selling you Gen4 drives and installing them in the Gen3 slots. Maybe they just don't stock Gen3 drives anymore.
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    That would be fine. 7X60 (last year's systems) have one PCIe gen 4 slot. 7X70 (these new systems) have all PCIe4 slots.
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    If you want to take the stock Dell image and move it to a different SSD, you can just use any drive cloning tool. I'm currently fond of Macrium Reflect (which is free). Acronis True Image is another good one (not free). Some commercial SSDs actually come with such a tool — Samsung has one that you can download from their site. If you're a bit comfortable with Linux, you can just boot a Linux live CD/USB and clone a drive using the dd command, and then fix up the partition layout with GParted. It's best to create bootable media and do the clone from there, rather than trying to do it live while the OS is running. (Macrium Reflect has a tool to create bootable media which you can run after it is installed.) It doesn't matter if you do the clone before or after booting the system up for the first time. I would also suggest that you either remove or disable the "original" SSD before trying to boot the new one. (You can disable SSDs individually through BIOS setup.) I've had cases where Windows gets confused about which drive to mount when it has just been cloned and the old SSD is still present. After a successful boot on the new drive, you can install/enable the old drive and wipe it. (Use "diskpart clean" to make sure the boot partition is cleared out too.) The system comes configured in RAID mode but you might need to switch it to NVMe/AHCI mode for the bootable drive clone tool to be able to see the drives. If this is the case, just switch it back to RAID mode after the drive clone is complete (before attempting to boot Windows). This is also controlled from BIOS setup.
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    WD22 docks are out but there is no "dual connect" dock in this set. If you want to power the system off of the dock, you need to use WD19DC/WD19DCS (or TB18DC). That said, a few users have noted that there is a lower power limit when running off of the dock (210W vs 240W) which can impact performance if you are pushing the system hard. It might make sense to plug the system directly into a power adapter anyway. ...In that case, it doesn't matter whether you get a "DC" dock or not, you can use any of the new ones, or you could use a third-party dock. [Edit] WD22TB costs over $500? Holy cow.
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    No SSD door for me. I can see it being handy to quickly remove or swap out a drive. But I do not think that I'll ever need to do that beyond the first few hours of getting the system set up with drives that I want (and I'll need access to all four drive bays for that). I'd rather have the "clean" bottom panel. (And as you say, it's a little bit of a security issue if it is so easy to open it up and pop out the drive. Not that popping off the entire bottom panel is very hard either, mind you... Anyway you can just encrypt the drives with BitLocker; that is feasible to break with access to the drive and system together, but not with access to only the drive by itself.) No hard answer for either of these. I asked about the GPU TGP and was told that information would not be available until after the launch. I have not heard anything about 2.5Gbe support so I am not expecting it and would be "pleasantly surprised" if it turns out to be present. These systems use discrete Intel Ethernet chips and Intel does have this part available, so it wouldn't be that much of a surprise... Maybe when the support/driver page goes live (any time now) we will have an indication there.
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    Also wanted to mention, I have some saved posts here from @Ionising_Radiation who managed to raise/bypass the stock CPU power limit in the Precision 7560 with ThrottleStop. Hopefully a similar technique can be used in this system if the "default" power limit is too low? one | two (yellow checkbox can be seen here) I agree that 75W+150W seems a bit too high for a sustained load. Hoping that NVIDIA Dynamic Boost 2.0 does a good job shuffling power between the CPU and GPU as needed to achieve maximum performance on the current load, given the "global" power limit. I haven't actually tried it out myself with anything.
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    That seems like a pretty good price too. I knew I wanted 5 years going in so there was no reason for the rep to be pushing it. I did mention that some systems currently have a "buy four years ProSupport, get the fifth year free" deal going on, so maybe ask about that. I saw it on the Precision 7760 config page yesterday (U.S. market). I didn't get a good answer from my rep on if that was available/applied to the 7770 that I got. (When the price came back a bit lower than I "feared" it would be, I didn't push much around on that.) ...I think the 128GB CAMM module accounts for a good chunk of the price difference between our quotes. I also have 4K panel, IR camera, and fingerprint reader which would each add a little bit. (Still waiting for the systems to go live on the web site so we can see some of what the actual advertised component prices are.) [Edit] I think the reps have more latitude on what they quote for ProSupport/warranty, compared to physical components. When I bought my M6700 (ten years ago), when I hesitated on ProSupport, the rep threw in an upgrade from basic NBD to ProSupport for free. (Ended up being glad for that.)
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    It looks like the available specs are very similar to the Precision 7760 with obvious things changed like available CPU/GPU, the CAMM memory modules, and 7670 getting an OLED option. So, you can basically look through the online 7760 "choose your specs" page to get the list of what you need to look at. Current CPU and GPU choices are enumerated in the first post of this thread. RAM choices right now are 16GB / 32GB / 64GB / 128GB (all CAMM, non-ECC). You can also look at page 7 of the spec sheets. 7670 | 7770 Avoid ordering 7670 with the base FHD+ display. Even if you don't want the 4K/OLED panel... Upgrade to the 500 nits FHD+ and confirm that on the quote. When you receive a quote, pay close attention to some of the smaller things like fingerprint reader type, whether or not the SSD door is present, whether or not you get the IR webcam and backlit keyboard, etc. and make sure that they are set up how you want. (My rep did not do all of these as I asked the first time through.)
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    At the moment you can order through a sales rep only. Dell normally doesn't do overnight go-lives. The system might go live on the web site sometime during the morning. (I wonder, though, seems like it should be live on the China page by now...)
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    Very strange. For me it only shows one of the three options out of stock. You should always start with configuring the cheapest/base model (starting with a higher one doesn't save you any money — if you configure the base one the same, the price will be the same). That is, unless you need the system to arrive more quickly, sometimes they have limited/preconfigured ones that can ship out faster. That said, it's a hassle but I always order through a sales rep. They should be able to do better than the web price. You could decide what specs you're interested in and send it to a sales rep for a quote. 7760 should be orderable for a while yet, though some spec options may become available as they wind down inventory. Also based on my experience ordering the 7770, I don't think 7760 is going to be much cheaper. One other thing you could check is Dell Outlet. They put overstocks/refurbished machines on sale there. Configuration might be more limited but systems ordered through the outlet have the same full warranty coverage as systems ordered normally. Precision 7000 systems get 3-year NBD service by "default".
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    Huh. Are you in the US market? It still acts like I can order from here. https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-laptops-and-notebooks/precision-7760-workstation/spd/precision-17-7760-laptop#configurations_section
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    @Dell-Mano_G, with the launch happening, I was wondering if you could take a look at these questions: What are the maximum boost power level of the GPU in the 7670 and 7770? Assuming top-spec GPU. (NVIDIA's GPU spec sheet shows RTX A5500 maxing out at 165W.) Are power limits the same between the RTX A5500 and the RTX 3080 Ti? Can you share what the PL1/PL2 CPU power limits are in these systems? Is it the case that just two NVMe slots are available for use in Precision 7670 systems with the thin chassis? Are you able to give any timing for when SODIMM/ECC configurations will be available? Will a 64GB ECC configuration be available / supported? (This is not listed on the spec sheet, but seems like it should work with 2× 32GB ECC SODIMM modules...) Thank you!
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    Hopefully, the system goes live on the web site tomorrow so I can see if this was really a decent deal or not. Orders are live. Ended up being a little over $6,000 with the extra battery warranty added. Hopefully, the system goes on sale on the web site tomorrow so I can see if this was actually a good deal. (Can always cancel and re-order if necessary but I am doubting that.) Also I'm hoping that they hit that ship date but wouldn't be surprised if they miss it... I was sort of expecting them to be pushing the estimate out to near August. But I guess maybe the supply chain situation is a good bit better than last year? I can get the information on the specific rep I ordered through to you if you are interested (PM me). Nope, but I am hoping we can get an answer on this soon:
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    Order placed! (More details to follow.) I can confirm that the price to go from GeForce RTX 3080 Ti to RTX A5500 is about $900 USD. (Sticking with GeForce myself.)
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    Core i9-12950HX GeForce RTX 3080 Ti 4K 120 Hz display 128GB CAMM (cheapest SSD option) 5 year ProSupport Plus I was wondering what sort of price I'd get from a chat rep... Total is coming back at just under $6,000 USD — Honestly cheaper than I thought, by a good bit. I'm having the rep tweak the quote (he put in wrong options for fingerprint reader, bottom cover, and battery) but I do expect to proceed with the order. Also it shows an ETA of July 11, also sooner than I would have expected them to show.
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    I've got a chat rep putting a quote together at this very moment. If you want to get your order in ASAP, go through the sales channels, it looks like they can put orders through even though it is not live on the web site yet. I can confirm that GeForce RTX 3080 Ti is an option at launch. Core i9-12900HX is not available (as expected, you have to get 12950HX). I'll update in a bit once I actually get the quote.
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    Got tired of waiting, went and asked a chat rep if there was any new information on availability. The guy came back and said even though it is not posted on the web site yet, he can put a quote together and I can order it through the quote. Working on the quote right now. I might be ordering it. I'll post back in a few minutes 🙂 [Edit] To avoid double-posting, see discussion in the 7X70 thread.
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    NVIDIA doesn't manufacture MXM cards... That is on laptop OEMs. MXM 3.0b isn't well suited for modern high-end GPUs — the power and physical space requirements are too great, which is why you see contorted versions of it (in the odd case a system has a swappable GPU at all). It's also getting worse with each generation as NVIDIA cranks the power limit up. Someone would have to design an upgrade/replacement to the "standard" and get the greater industry onboard with it... Seems unlikely because its not really in the OEMs' interest to do this.
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    You just need physical clearance for the chips on the “bottom” side of the drive. You may be able to make a judgement by carefully checking a laptop that you already own. I think it would be hard to tell from online pictures…
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    Basically, no way to know other than "someone tries to install a double-sided drive and it fits / doesn't fit". You'd have to poke around forums like this and see. ...It's not even confirmed that 7X70 will support double-sided drives (though I have the drives already and will be trying it right away). Past Precision 7000 series systems do support them, though. And the extra NVMe drive slots not having the drives physically stack on top of the motherboard PCB is a good sign for this, I think. There should be plenty of space.
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