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Thanks. I would also send a message to tech support of your brand. I’m sure some know away how to fix this. DDR5 Is new but it can’t be too difficult for people/engineers find away for this. Maybe when AMD is out and the tweakers go on this may help but big companies should have the resources. They probably give a shit as long profits and not all experience this ugliness.

Maybe have a chat with the Thaiphoon Burner author. This mess can't continue. This is more as a ticking bomb. Yep, if you have the money you can fix it but it (buy a second mem kit) and it take alot of your time. Shouldnt be like that. God bless the AM% buyers. Maybe they should buy a spare mem kit? I don't see they have much other options.

Can yuu reflash the correct values (corrupted) for for you screwed up mem sticks? What MSI did with he bios update is disgusting.

Not all see it this way (my way). Better give a heads up than let it slide away. I always try stay on topic 🙂

I'm the culprit. And I talk right fom my heart. All I wanted to say... All this is on topic for this thread (so no siding)🙂 @ryan please run all HW monitoring and sys info in all 3DMark benchmarks. And please add in monitoring info if you can.Mone can help you if people don't get all info.

I have no problems whatever OS (stability). This is what you call no issues. But the issues is the OS. Not stability. Ugly and not innovative. Just a step back to old Win ME/Win 8. Can't beat ugly. Or can you? And yep, the pig reminds me all too much about Microsoft. Fits very well. One thing for sure.... We will never ever see a equal good OS as old Win 7 and the LTSC versions of Win 10 2019/2021 LTSC. All we will get is Apple copy cats. We have exactly the same situations for OS as we have for high performance laptops... Almost nothing. If some people are happy with what they get (laptops and OS).... They will get exactly the same forwards. We who want something avesome will be screwed as always. Just look in the laptop world. Again... Nothing for us. Aka we are double screwed! Btw... I'm on the way make an 5= quintuple boot. But not sure what I will put in as the 5th OS for my pc 🙂 One thing for sure... It won't be Win 11. Yep, a lot talk about OS bro @Reciever but choice of OS is important for benchmarks who is this threads main topic (we are on topic).

Be you sure brother. I have tested several Win 11 builds (even before Win 11 was a thing) and with all sorts of tweaks. Win 11 will never ever become a Win 7 or Win 10 (LTSC) OS. All too messed up and ugly. Not only the GUI (UI) is ugly. The whole OS is disgusting!!!! And I get zero gain from this touch friendly OS meant for Microsofts Surface-books. I run tripple quadruple boot on my pc and none of my ssd's have Win 11 installed anymore. Why should I spend more time on Win 11 when I see how bad it is? Nope... Not me. You can't fix stupid. And you can't fix flawed/destroyed. It's waste of time. And I have only one life on this earth. Why spend it on trash? Again... Not me. Happy you got it back in work. Imagine you had a full BGA setup with soldered on ram... You would be screwed. Even more screwed if you was out of warranty. God bless we still have computers you can do whatever you want with.

This won't make Windows as OS any better. And a new OS just means a third OS coming filled with bugs. And updates will be equal buggy as today. Brand it Win 12 is more like putty new lipstick on a pig. Nothing good comes from Microsoft anymore. KB5015814 update is causing Start menu problems and 0x8007007e errors in Windows 11 The release of the KB5015814 update for Windows 11 earlier this week was supposed to fix problems with PowerShell as well as addressing security issues. But as has become disturbingly common, there have also been unwanted side effects for those who jumped on the update and installed it as soon as it was offered up. Some users are experiencing problems with the Start menu, with complaints indicating that the menu is being interrupted by an app opening and closing. There are also complaints about errors appearing after a failed installation of the KB5015814 update -- specifically error codes 0x8000ffff, 0x8007007e and 0x80073701.

Microsoft is starting to be pervers. Many prosumers/businesses use Pro versions of Windows. Not all is keen on jumping on the new and disgusting. They are on the way digging their own grave as a viable option. Of course they are forced to extend support on OS's some people need/want. Windows 11 will soon force you to make a Microsoft account https://www.windowslatest.com/2022/06/28/windows-11-will-soon-force-you-to-make-a-microsoft-account-but-theres-a-bypass/ Starting with Windows 11 22H2, setting up a new device will require a Microsoft account and internet connection. Previously, Windows 11 required a Microsoft account for Windows 11 Home installations only. Going forward, both Windows 11 Home and Pro will require a Microsoft account sign to set up the devices.

Good news. Microsoft intends to extend paid support for Windows 7 for another three years. I'm sure they know a lot business just don't want their new and flawed OS. Not every day we get such good news bro @Ashtrix @Mr. Fox +++ Microsoft intends to extend paid support for Windows 7 until 2026 Earlier in 2020, Microsoft finished extended support for Windows 7. The company expected users and companies to switch to newer versions of OS, but some of them couldn't do that. So for enterprise customers who had to stay on Windows 7 Microsoft continued supporting Windows 7 on a paid basis.

Maybe, but people want design and slimmest possible. And the bigger power adapters is still to big and heavy. And yep, the OEMs will offer what the customers want. I don't see that we will get 330w USB-C adapers in nearest future. And the OEMs is happy to offer laptops with less need for bigger power adapters. Less performance is a nice way to push you on refreshed models. A big win for the OEM. Probably also the same for people that is hanged up in Apple design. You just can't get both.... Real performance and Apple designed power adapters. Yep, castrate the HW's TDP and rely on Dynamic boost/Smart shift will help making nice and slim laptops and elegant and slim power adapters. Again, a big win for the OEM maxing out profits and push you on next models before time. My best guess forwards... People will demand thin slim and light USB-C chargers to match the laptops design. They prefer cute design over performance. 250W chargers is enough to power laptops with destroyed HW. And we both know Nvidia and the OEMs will deliver in loads.

3080 mobile is a castrated card. A lot worse than the desktop card. Even the more expensive 3080 Ti mobile is a huge failure. And I don't talk about the fake silicon branding. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Mobile is built on GA104. Not the bigger GA102 graphics processor as for the real RTX 3080 desktop cards. And the weaker 3070 desktop card who is built from same GA104 silicon ain't a 4K card and never will be. In short... The mobile cards linup is a scam! Enjoy also what happens when Nvidia tricking with vRam and bandwidth. https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-has-been-tested-with-custom-20gb-320b-and-12gb-192b-memory-bioses

The editors at Notebookcheck now complains (warns buyers) about too big power adapters for laptops. 330 W AC adapters have been here the last two decades but why make a big fuss of it now? Yep, because of the Apple trend. I expect he would whine a lot more if he saw an 780W psu or our dual 330w psu setups we used for our old and nice Clevo's. Hope the different laptop OEM'S can see it and stop making AC adapters above 250w. You don't need that for power and TDP castrated laptops. Just offer small cute adapters/USB-C adapter as they offer for their slim and thin models. "UNISEX" has to be the new norm for tomorrows tech. Maybe we then will see new types complaints but more about worse performance than we see from today's so called high end gaming laptops vs desktops? The MSI Raider GE67 330 W AC adapter is so fat that it's heavier than some 15-inch laptops MSI Raider GE67 ships with a ridiculously large 330 W power brick because its Core i7-12800HX CPU is so demanding With great power comes great responsibility and a substantial AC adapter. The GE67 sports a powerful 12th gen Core i7-12800HX CPU that's so demanding that it necessitated a ridiculously large 330 W AC adapter compared to the smaller 280 W one that shipped with the older GE66. Yep, time have changed and laptops that fits meand need have no future. Neither now or forwards @electrosoft @jc_denton @Ashtrix @Mr. Fox

AMD And Intel CPUs Rocked By New Speculative Execution Attack With A Huge Performance Hit Do you remember a few years ago when everyone panicked over a couple of security flaws known as Meltdown and Spectre? These were a new type of security hole altogether, known as speculative execution flaws because they exploit the so-named capability of modern processors. That was back in 2018, and since then, every tech company under the sun has issued patches, firmware updates, and other guidance to mitigate the danger of these attacks. So that's all over and dealt with, right? Well... not exactly. As it turns out, one of the major mitigations deployed against Spectre, known as "retpoline", isn't actually as helpful as we thought. A new flaw, known as "retbleed", has been discovered by researchers at ETH Zurich. Retbleed evades earlier protections against a specific form of the Spectre vulnerability, including machines using the retpoline mitigation.. Both AMD and Intel say that they're not aware of anyone making use of these vulnerabilities in the wild, but patches aren't available yet. When they do become available, they may come with a performance hit of as much as 28%. Hopefully some clever coders will come up with a way to mitigate that performance loss. Microsoft try push you over on new hardware so you can enjoy their latest and most secure OS. Same do the HW manufacturers. They know they later have to patch flaws they have added to try optimize for better performance. Give with one hand and then take it back with the other hands. Or just hope you buy their newest and safer products that will suffer same mess after a couple of years. Why not just stop optimize for performance when you know you have to take it back later?

Did you flash with a single stick? And tried flash with the second stick?

The old fantastic Nokia 8210 is back. People do you remember this one? I had two of them. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Nokia-8210-is-back-in-2022-with-4G-LTE-and-microSD-card-support.634286.0.html

Probably easier in Europe. I’m on long summer vacation so I haven’t checked much about it. But this company offer a lot good things. Germany companies have a lot good engineering so…. Maybe worth a try. Regardless, buying things from other countries cost a bit more if you don’t find it in the main sales webpages where you live. If I order I probably have to add at least 50% on top of everything.

I wonder how DDR5 will function in next gen AMD platform. Still a huge disaster for Intel. We all are Guinea pigs for this new tech. Maybe it will be better on older platforms as times goes but I guess they’ll put more (all) work in gen 2 DDR5 platforms (Raptor lake and Intel). Good blessings to all the new coming AM5 platform buyers. But AMD won’t learn anything of the miserable things from Intel. They need to learn it their own hard ways. And it won’t be pretty l. Hail to “new tech”! One more year with sucked and screwed up tech. At least my setup worked well l before I went on summer vacation. Don’t change what’s works!

https://videocardz.com/newz/gpu-price-crash-in-china-geforce-and-radeon-cards-now-sold-for-20-under-msrp-flagship-models-at-38 In last week alone, the flagship RTX 3090 Ti model has been sold for 9499 RMB (1415 USD), which is 38% under MSRP (14999 RMB). A bit lower, but still significant reduction applies also to RTX 3090, which can now be found for as little as 8498 RMB (1266 USD), almost 29% under MSRP. Pay EVGA well above 2200$ for their 3090Ti Kingpin is crazy. This flagship graphics card will compete with next gen sub 600$ 4070(Ti) cards (coming 2022/23). Not even on 4080 performance level. Or better say slightly above a midrange card as 4070. And with the 2500$ bundle with their PSU you’ll get yesterday’s power adapter. Yep, I hate bad deals equal as bad as throwing my money down the drain for useless Trashbooks. Happy I don’t need a new card yesterday. Even then I wouldn’t jump on it. The 3090 isn’t worth a cent above 850$ as I see it now in July soon Aug (aka we still pay 50% premium above its worth for a 2 years old graphics card). And I’ll stop there. Because the 3090Ti is even a worse deal, this long into the summer. Not many days and we are into the fall and even more disgusting weather in Norway. Talked with my sons home. 7.2C outside and with nice cold flooding rain. Can’t beat disgusting? Or can we? Nvidia, AMD (and their greedy partners) is equal bad as Norwegian weather. Let them burn in with all their 3000/6000 series cards. And I hope also the miners and scalpers loose loads of money. I like it when justice prevails 🙂 Maybe Path tracing will help Nvidia sell 40xx series at premium (new fancy tech sell)? Let it go one year after release and then push hard as they did for RT? A lovely way to push you from 40xx series with “low Path tracing performance” to 50xx series cards. https://www.techspot.com/article/2485-path-tracing-vs-ray-tracing/ ”Every few years, it seems like there's an amazing new technology with the promise of making games look ever more realistic. We've had shaders, tessellation, shadow mapping, ray tracing -- and now there's a new kid on the block: path tracing”

Nvidia was smart enough to release 3080@10GB as their 4K gaming cards for an ok price (msrp). A nice way try lure people into next gen cards once similar cards (for 4K) is out from 40xx series. Exactly as they do for laptops (castrate the cards to push you over on next gen). Not so sure the next new tricks will help when miners is gone and people have less money in their pockets. Hope many buy used cards as 3080ti/4090 to stop price increase for Ada. All they can do then is offer 4090 cards on this side of Christmas. And they just can’t offer middle range cards if the web is flooded with used cards. Maybe a nice punch from AMD this fall also will help as well on MSRP price increase. If the gamers playing their game correct then we will see Nvidia will begging you to buy their new cards. As for me, I have skipped last gens cards (only used old cards so no profits from my pocket). Hope I will be in minority buying new cards this fall/spring 2023 🙂 Let the bloodbath start. Rather before than later, LOOL Wouldn't it be nice with a 40% drop in new sales of cards? I’m sure this will help staggering greed.

DTRs has reached dead end. 99.999% of all laptops is fully BGA nowadays. Aka with soldered on Cpu and GPU. Some OEMs even offer people soldered on ram and wifi. Regardless if it’s 13, 14, 15 or 17 inch laptops. Next step will be soldered on storage. Dell have already tested out this on their pc products. This is all you get for laptops nowadays.

Today’s blooming Joke. Tomorrow’s Intel processors may get 3 different cores. One of those 3 is the baby’s babysitter core, LOOL @Ashtrix Imagine 8+16+16 cores. That will be 40 cores and 48 threads. But a tragedy in thread count due all the E-cores. A fantastic leap in core counts. S why not just scrap the few P-cores and instead fill the silicon up with only small E-cores? If they started use LP E-cores they could probably cram in a lot more cores. Wouldn’t it be nice have a real Intel Threadripper variant as mainstream desktop processors? They could even offer it for laptops. The tech adoption from Smartphones into desktops/laptops has to stop. And AMD is tempted to do the same as well. Unisex can be nice but not this messed up tech for computers. https://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/34572-intel-meteor-lake-till-barbara-far-tre-olika-karnor ”It is also the first time that Intel divides the energy-efficient cores into two different variants, where one is referred to as "LP E-Core". It is possible that LP stands for low power and that Intel takes another leaf from ARM and the mobile manufacturers' book for a hybrid configuration with three different sized cores. However, the diagrams only show information about the portable series. How the configuration can be for the stationary variants remains to be seen”

All is up to Nvidia. If they are empty of 3000 series chips they will push out 40xx series chips. They don’t run charity. They run a huge business and need to show results for their shareholders. One of the reasons they probably kill of 3080@12GB cards and forcing you to buy their more expensive 3080 Ti cards. Some old info I heard before… They will offer 30xx series cards together with 40xx series cards. Can’t see this will be the outcome now, because the miners isn’t a problem anymore. They will probably have enough new cards for the gamers. Sell of the old and go with the new to compete with next gen AMD graphics cards.

All is up to AMD. Can’t see Intel into this race. And expect two years cadence for Nvidia’s gen cards. If you can see what I see… Wait for 4090 ti and you’ll risk loose nearly half or 1/3rd of the arc lifespan. High competition means Nvidia will split up their high end and release their best every year. First 90 then 90 ti. Not sure if this is to the better or not. At least not for AMD or Nvidia’s userbase. You’ll lose 1/2 of the arc lifespan. Exactly as yesterday and today’s Jokebooks. No difference between Jokebooks and desktops forwards. The big winner will be Nvidia, AMD and the OEMs. Not he buyers!! And I don’t bother count in Intel. They are even too late for the mining crazyness.

Yep, driver mess from Intel is today’s “word”. Exactly as I expect forwards from them. Maybe Intel also should have waited with own discrete graphics cards until after next gen Nvidia/AMD graphics cards relase? Aka use a second year for driver optimization? I can clearly see why they didn’t want to launch their new higher end cards with all their weird driver problems. Why not just put the money into iGPUs and continue tune drivers? The CPU package is already filled with that filthy. But, as you can see, they can’t even do that right. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/edge-chrome-browsers-can-lag-on-alder-lake-pcs-due-to-gpu-driver-bug ”Intel has admitted a graphics driver bug that can cause severe lagging of Chromium-based web browsers on some of the systems that use the company's 12th Generation Core Alder Lake processors with UHD Graphics 770 integrated GPU. The blue giant recommends updating software, changing settings, or switching to an SSD to resolve the issue” Btw… May I smell same for 4090 Ti as it was for 3090 Ti ? Hope EVGA make an difference this time vs 3090 ti and release a water block for their Ti Kingpin cards right in time before we see 5090 pop up 🙂 “Nvidia RTX 4090 may push 3 GHz and RTX 4090 Ti to debut later than expected as new details about Nvidia's "Lovelace" GPUs surface” https://www.notebookcheck.net/Nvidia-RTX-4090-may-push-3-GHz-and-RTX-4090-Ti-to-debut-later-than-expected-as-new-details-about-Nvidia-s-Lovelace-GPUs-surface.633089.0.html