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The $699 Ryzen 9 7950X is 5% faster in gaming than Intel’s Core i9-12900K, but this chip is really designed for the productivity-minded. The 7950X was 44% faster than the Core i9-12900K in our multi-threaded tests, making it the most powerful desktop PC chip currently available. The Zen 4 architecture also closes the gap with Alder Lake in single-threaded applications, addressing a particularly glaring deficiency against Alder Lake. 5% faster than 12900K in games. But beaten by AMDs last years castrated 3D v-cashe chips. Oh'well. Can't offer everything. It does well in 3DM Fire strike physics but fail in the same sub test in 3DM Time spy. What's that? Because AMD found it ideal that the new chips can only do SSE3 instructions for this bench. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-9-7950x-ryzen-5-7600x-cpu-review https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_9_7950x_review,21.html Amd Ryzen Zen4 overclock....... For our manual overclocking efforts, we were a bit more ambitious. We initially shot for a lofty 5.5GHz all-core overclock at 1.35v, but we couldn't get the system stable. At this speed, the system booted, but the chip's temp would quickly shoot to 95°C as expected and under sustained load our rig would shut down. So, we backed the voltage and multiplier down incrementally and eventually settled into a 5.3GHz all-core overclock at only 1.3v, while also running the memory at DDR5-6000. https://hothardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-9-7900x-and-7950x-cpu-review?page=6 LOOOL..... https://wccftech.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-7950x-ryzen-7-7700x-cpu-review-a-new-era-of-zen-begins-today/10/ And I'm quite sure the gamers on the Red side will say temps in gaming is more than OK sufficient even if the chips will warm up their room in an hot summer day, LOOL I hope AMD will have a success with 7000 series Ryzen chips so they can push Intel to the brink regarding delivering performance/normal prices forwards. Only then the competition will works as it should. Edit. REVIEW ROUNDUP (from several review web sites) AMD Ryzen 7000 Zen4 “Raphael” Desktop CPU Review Roundup https://videocardz.com/138525/amd-ryzen-7000-zen4-raphael-desktop-cpu-review-roundup AMD's Achilles heel.... The old and cheaper locked down 5800X3D. What's the point? https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/review-ryzen-9-7950x-processor-with-asrock-x670e-taichi-motherboard.444757/page-4#post-6054814

Thats, ok. I normally use to do that if the content has to be put in more than one thread (Post the links and put with a small update/write up on the topic). Thanks. Edit. Done.

What with benchmarks results posts? I mean they should be in this thread. Less post in this thread will make it dead. Not many post benchmarks so...

The $699 Ryzen 9 7950X is 5% faster in gaming than Intel’s Core i9-12900K, but this chip is really designed for the productivity-minded. The 7950X was 44% faster than the Core i9-12900K in our multi-threaded tests, making it the most powerful desktop PC chip currently available. The Zen 4 architecture also closes the gap with Alder Lake in single-threaded applications, addressing a particularly glaring deficiency against Alder Lake. 5% faster than 12900K in games. But beaten by AMDs last years castrated 3D v-cashe chips. Oh'well. Can't offer everything. It does well in 3DM Fire strike physics but fail in the same sub test in 3DM Time spy. What's that? Because AMD found it great/ideal that the new chips can only do SSE3 instructions for this bench. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-9-7950x-ryzen-5-7600x-cpu-review https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_9_7950x_review,21.html Amd Ryzen Zen4 overclock....... For our manual overclocking efforts, we were a bit more ambitious. We initially shot for a lofty 5.5GHz all-core overclock at 1.35v, but we couldn't get the system stable. At this speed, the system booted, but the chip's temp would quickly shoot to 95°C as expected and under sustained load our rig would shut down. So, we backed the voltage and multiplier down incrementally and eventually settled into a 5.3GHz all-core overclock at only 1.3v, while also running the memory at DDR5-6000. https://hothardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-9-7900x-and-7950x-cpu-review?page=6 LOOOL..... https://wccftech.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-7950x-ryzen-7-7700x-cpu-review-a-new-era-of-zen-begins-today/10/ And I'm quite sure the gamers on the Red side will say temps in gaming is more than OK sufficient even if the chips will warm up their room in an hot summer day, LOOL I hope AMD will have a success with 7000 series Ryzen chips so they can push Intel to the brink regarding delivering performance/normal prices forwards. Only then the competition will works as it should.

You can do that also with Intel systems. But not a good idea for longevity of the chips. I expect same also for Ryzen 7000 series chips. A great idea if you want an new chips 🙂

Nope. My reply to bro @electrosoftwas also meant for you 🙂

It's weirdo/suspicious that both Intel and AMD follow so close each other with performance uplift. And AMD use an total different node shrink/arc vs Intel. They still manage to get about same performance from their top chips. Whom follow who, I don't know. But stock scores from the new gen AMD Ryzen isn't very enticing as I see it from my view of point. This is bare minimum from what to expect when you have competition. Damn Intel who continue with more and more baby cores. But this is to be expected due power goes bananas because of Intel 7 10nm++++++++++. 14nm up again but in new clothes. As well (an bigger die for more real cores will be too expensive to be made/used - due same 10nm+++++++++ problem) The Emperor's Intel's New Clothes - Wikipedia

And we will see 4090Ti at 2874 euro (included tax). This even with out the added Mining premium. The beauty, living in a Tax hell. Yep, new gen chips will provide better performance. Remember AMD scrapped the yearly upgrade. You will get slightly better performance uplift if you only reales new products every second year 🙂 LEAK 2022-09-25 11:27 AMD Ryzen 7950X/7900X/7700X/7600X stock Cinebench scores leaked

Arctic is recalling batches of MX-5 thermal paste due.... More for those interested....

Nvidia defend their latest scam with crap talk. There's also the question of why the RTX 4080 12GB isn't just called the RTX 4070. Talking with Nvidia during a briefing, this exact question came up: What was the thought process behind calling the 12GB chip a 4080 instead of a 4070, especially since it's a different chip? Nvidia's Justin Walker, Senior Director of Product Management, said, "The 4080 12GB is a really high performance GPU. It delivers performance considerably faster than a 3080 12GB... it's faster than a 3090 Ti, and we really think it's deserving of an 80-class product." Frankly, that's a crap answer. Of course it's faster! It's a new chip and a new architecture; it's supposed to be faster. Remember when the GTX 1070 came out and it was faster than a 980 Ti? I guess that wasn't "deserving" of an 80-class product name. Neither was the RTX 2070 when it matched the 1080 Ti, or the 3070 when it matched the 2080 Ti. Why Nvidia's RTX 4080, 4090 Cost so Damn Much tomshardware.com https://www.tomshardware.com/news/why-nvidias-4080-4090-cost-so-damn-much Nvidia hasn't released die shots or renderings of AD103 and AD104 just yet, but we do have the full specs. They're quite a bit smaller, and much of that comes from reducing core counts, memory interfaces, and L2 cache size. The 4080 models will naturally be higher volume products than the 4090, though it's worth pointing out that the 4090 potentially has 70% more compute, 50% more memory bandwidth and capacity, and uses 41% more power, all while "only" costing 33% more. In other words, RTX 4080 16GB pricing is proportionately worse than the RTX 4090. Yep, not only is the "castrated 4080@12GB of bad value due you pay premium for xx70 performance, but the more expensive real 4080 give a bad value as well. In short the the whole xx80 line-up is messed up. Jensen need to clean up, but I doub't he will do that. What a Ugly box. I wonder how big the 5000 series xx90 will be. AORUS GeForce RTX 4090 MASTER is the biggest RTX 4090 so far, by far Anthony Garreffa | Sep 22, 2022 8:58 PM CDT NVIDIA unleashed its new GeForce RTX 4090 but now AIB partners are announcing their new custom RTX 4090 designs... and man... GIGABYTE's new custom AORUS GeForce RTX 4090 MASTER makes the word behemoth feel small. Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/video_cards/index.html

Because of bad QC - quality. They was forced to run it EOL to save face and reputation. I expect we will get a re-branded product with different color (fancy paste colors is modern today - Grey is out) and a small change in W/mk specs to lure the buyers. Arctic appears to be retiring the MX-5 line of thermal compounds due to consistency issues. At Arctic, the product is now labeled "End of Life." Arctic halts troublesome MX-5 thermal paste; MX-6 successor spotted at almost three times the price By Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 09/22/2022 07:22 PM Arctic's MX-5 thermal paste is no longer available and has been replaced by the MX-6. Although the latest version is not yet accessible on the manufacturer's website, it is now available on Amazon. The 4 grams version costs 28.75 euros including shipping. Read more

Yep, as long they show only white🙂 Microsoft just can't stop screw up their latest and greatest. Windows 11 22H2 apparently causing problems on Nvidia graphics cards https://notebooktalk.net/topic/168-all-about-windows-11-news-and-announcements/?do=findComment&comment=14046

LOOOL. Microsoft just can't stop screw up their latest and greatest. Windows 11 22H2 apparently causing problems on Nvidia graphics cards neowin.com · Today After successfully updating to the latest Windows 11 22H2 feature update, many users running Nvidia graphics cards are facing issues, like stutters, and unstable framerates. Nvidia is investigating.... Yeah, and as you can see.... Microsoft forgot fix problems who has been reported from guinea pigs months ago. Why use GP if nothing will be done? Is adding new useless features more important than a release a working OS?

Drag it all out... Buttons everywher. Looking forward to see you with the Neptune in your hands and new shiny white crocs on the feet's. Best of both worlds, LOOL Me......😁

World record for single card. https://hwbot.org/submission/5006556_biso_biso_3dmark___time_spy_extreme_geforce_rtx_3090_ti_14977_marks Btw. Dell continue with their +20 years chassis construction (wrapped with glossy pastic) for their high end gaming desktops (Alienware). What a tragedy. And Tomshardware give it 4 out of 5 stars. Double tragedy! https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/alienware-aurora-r13

https://www.tweaktown.com/articles/10076/msi-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-suprim-overclocking-oc/index.html https://www.tweaktown.com/articles/10077/asus-rog-strix-lc-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-overclocking-oc/index.html Edit. I think with Evga out of question we need to look after what of the AIB partners that will offer the overall better bin for their best cards.

We have to see the results first. ButTweaktown wasn't happy with Asus 3090Ti AIO card. An AIO cooled card fail if it perform equal as a air cooled card. We'll see 🙂 ASUS loses big points with the lack of performance gains over an air-cooled RTX 3090 Ti, more noise than an air-cooled RTX 3090 Ti, and has a huge bulky AIO cooler. I wouldn't recommend the ASUS ROG Strix LC GeForce RTX 3090 Ti over an air-cooled GPU, simply because it offers no performance leap over the air-cooled RTX 3090 Ti cards. The GPU temps being so low are awesome, but not awesome enough to have a huge AIO cooler installed in my PC... or that it's louder than my MSI RTX 3090 Ti SUPRIM X. Sorry, ASUS. Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/10075/asus-rog-strix-lc-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-oc-edition/index.html And all white in my fully Black box screems... NOOOOOO 🙂

https://hothardware.com/news/rtx-4080-12gb-has-more-than-memory-cut-from-16gb-model#:~:text=The reaction of,the naming scheme. The reaction of the hardware enthusiast community to the naming of the two RTX 4080 cards, as well as the overall high pricing of the Ada Lovelace GPU family, has been vitriolic in spots. The Reddit thread for the Project Beyond event on the /r/NVIDIA subreddit has over 4000 comments, and a great many of them are expressing either disappointment at the pricing or frustration with the naming scheme. GALAX Reveals NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 12GB Has More Than Memory Cut From 16GB Model hothardware.com

Isn't the Nepune coming with a castrated cooler block? If so, why buy it over a vanilla air cooled card and add own water block? I remember Tweaktown was more happy with the Suprime 3090 Ti than the water cooled Strix card (binning). NVIDIA CEO Comments On EVGA's Breakup And What It Means For The GPU Market NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang answered some questions from investors and reporters in the wake of his GTC keynote. One of the seismic industry events just ahead of all the Ada Lovelace news was the split with long-standing partner EVGA. Naturally, there were reporters at the Q&A that came fishing for Huang’s first official..... “The market has a lot of great players. And it'll be served well after EVGA,” said Jensen Huang, in answer to PC Gamer’s Jacob Ridley, during the Q&A session. Huang added some warmth to that rather cold sounding statement, mentioning that Andrew Han and EVGA were great partners, and it was sad to see them leave the market. Revealingly, Huang admitted he had known about the EVGA’s boss’s wishes to wind down the GPU business “for a couple of years.” Surely, NVIDIA rather blatantly creaming the top off the market with Founder Edition cards during recent generations was another one of the sparks behind the burned-out relationship.

Thank you bro john for the test resullts 🙂 The problem with AMDs coming cards is their love for lower power consumption, and paired with 5nm process. I just can't see they can compete for the performance King this gen. And Nvidia want premium because I'm sure they know AMD can't compete regarding max performance. But they have to think two times if they think all people out there are stupid and will spend 1000$ for a 4080 4070 graphics card. We ain't in mining times anymore. And the web will be flooded with used 3000 series graphics cards. I'm sure more people/reviewers/youtubers will talk about Nvidia's new SCAM! And there is still a few smart people aka buyers out there that won't be tricked and lured by greed.

Back to flow rate and water pumps bro @Mr. Fox I tried reach out to Eddy Alphacool on Techpowerup forum as you can see in the link and pict. Wonder if I get an answer back. Or if he will disappear and never respond/reply back. Can you check how the tests was done and then compare the results and come with a final answer. The Thermaltake Pacific TF1 flow/thermal sensor was tested by Igorslab and he wasn't very pleased with the reliabilty on this version. But it can't be so bad that the results would be so very differnt as in the two tests. Something is very fishy. Either from Alphacool or the flow sensor results. Swiftech MCP-655 Laing/Xylem D5 pump results.... Alphacool VPP755 D5 pump results... Pump D5 vs VPP755 techpowerup forum https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/pump-d5-vs-vpp755.298154/post-4838796

From before AMD prioritized Ryzen chips over graphics due more profits from same silicon. So AMDs coming Radeon graphics cards has to be priced on a certain level to make it profitable. And newer AM5 motherboards will be damn expensive as well. And even worse in Europe due their massive love for taxes. At least DDR5 will stabilize at slightly lower prices than before. But a brand new AM5 platform will be expensive. This on top of the disgusting prices from Nvidia’s new gen graphics. It will be very expensive being an gamer kid. https://videocardz.com/newz/first-preorders-for-asus-x670-motherboards-now-available-in-europe-for-e510-to-e1475

This means a 16GB GeForce RTX 4080 AIB card will have an MSRP near or +1300$. Almost mining prices for a simple xx80 card. Thats perverse. I expect nvidia with this will try to grab more market shares for their own brand as Founders Edition cards. No in Hell the AIB partners is able to sell loads of new overpriced cards if the gamer kids can just grab it cheaper from Nvidia. Nvidia want to get rid of their partners and sell most cards themself.

Look at this... The cheaper RTX 4080 ($899) is a bit more modest, with 12GB of GDDR6X memory and a 2.31GHz base clock speed. Still, it promises more than twice the speed of its predecessor, and an upgraded 16GB RTX 4080 ($1,199) gives customers the best of both worlds. What do they compare the new scam with? 3070 Ti or 3080@12GB cards ? Will be fun to see if the new castrated 4080 will perform over the double vs 3080 performance. What's your guess on this? What Nvidia have done with the 4080 branding name is disgusting. Nothing different than what they did for the laptop-jockey's with Max-Q mobile graphics. RTX 40-series is much more expensive Now for some bad news. Worries about even-higher price points for the RTX 40-series proved accurate. The RTX 4090 starts at $1,599, a $99 premium over the RTX 3090. The 16GB GeForce RTX 4080 costs $1,199, the same price as the RTX 3080 Ti and an astonishing $400 more than the $700 RTX 3080. Finally, the mysterious 12GB RTX 4080 starts at $899, a $200 increase over its predecessor. 4080@16GB now with Ti prices is awful. And a real 4080 card at $1200 is disgusting. And the reason they added $100 for the 4090 was to make space for coming 4080 Ti (Super) cards). Hope AMD can do something with this.

Yep, And the focus is still on the Store and ads. This new OS refresh brings almost nothing. Microsoft launches Ads program in Microsoft Store as it passes 900 million users milestone Microsoft has launched the Microsoft Store Ads pilot program to give developers another way to deliver and promote their apps and games to customers with Windows 10 and 11 at the right time.