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Just lovely. And Nvidia has to offer more than fire, melting smoke and 1.5K cards. Even if the AMD card offer less performance than 4090 it will kill sales of higher end Nvidia cards. As a footnote... Nvidia wanted disgusting price for their castrated 4080@12GB cards. Of course they removed their scam from the release. This AMD release come at a perfect time. Hope nvidia will burn in with cards costing above $999. AMD announces $999 Radeon RX 7900 XTX, Radeon RX 7900 XT for $899 Middle Norway. You don't need go longer North as (above the Arctic Circle) to see the Northern Light. But I would gladly swapped out the nice phenomenom for better weather/more sun lights (the whole year).

An interesting tidbit into AMD's problem. Offer less performance vs its competitor and increased costs. AMDs problem is... If they lower the prices on the new platform to try compete, this will take a huge hit on profits. Old inventory and too high prices have its cost. Why AMD’s Ryzen 7000 and Motherboards Cost So Damn Much tomshardware.com By Paul Alcorn published Today Zen 4 has a pricing problem https://www.tomshardware.com/news/why-amds-ryzen-7000-and-motherboards-cost-so-damn-much As you can see, the Ryzen 7000 series has a pricing problem. And that’s before we account for overclocking, which brings Raptor’s incredible clock speeds to bear and allows even the cheapest Intel chip, the Core i5-13600K, to beat AMD’s fastest gaming chip, the Ryzen 7 5800X3D. Intel's chips do require more robust cooling due to their peak power consumption, which is higher than all the competing AMD processors in each price band, but AMD's other pricing issues outweigh those additional cooling costs. As a footnote regarding additional cooling costs... You'll need decent cooling also for Ryzen Zen 4 chips. So I can't see this as an huge advantage in any form or shape. If you want the best out of your purchase then you'll need to pay more. Air cooling is out of questin if you go for the higher end SKUs. This regardless if you prefer the blue or the Red pill. Regardless of these big performance disparities, AMD hasn’t budged on chip pricing, and there could be several reasons. First, AMD has excess Ryzen inventory on the market. The company recently announced that it would try to burn excess inventory throughout the entire fourth quarter of this year — and it might not be able to sell all of it by then. That means a big oversupply of 7nm Ryzen 5000 chips must be sold, so AMD might wait to adjust pricing on the newer chips until after the inventory drawdown.

The Norwegian snow is still lacking around Papusan's plaza🙂 But we have got the darn dreaded northern dark. Before 5:00 PM and we live in the utter dark here home (A living HELL). I still stand on that AMD can't compete in performance with water cooled setups. Just look on the bot. Yep, not out of the box (that was more I talking about the SP failure due Intel's shoddy engineering on the ILM). The use of 25% cheaper 6nm silicon paired with a small 6nm silicon could be a game changer from AMD. I hope they aren't as stupid as they did with Zen4 and AM5 platform (all too expensive). AMD NAVI 31 GPU has been pictured videocardz.com https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-navi-31-gpu-has-been-pictured

What is this? No performance gain in productivity/workloads with the mid cycle re-freshed Cpu? Yep, you will probably have a gain in gaming but AMD should also offer higher overall performance in other tasks.... @Mr. Fox would you be happy with a Cpu refresh that offered nothing more than uplift in gaming? If you are not a gamer, then whats the point with the mid cycle refresh from AMD? A possible slightly better bin but with same clock speed? Hmmm. This information originates with Tom Wassick, who does semiconductor packaging stuff for IBM. One thing we shouldn't expect from the Ryzen 7000 "X3D" processors is improved performance in productivity apps. While AMD's had a solid lead on Intel for the last couple of CPU generations in productivity, Intel's more-or-less evaporated that lead with its latest 13th-generation processors while taking a small lead in gaming, too. It will be fascinating to see if AMD can blow past Intel in gaming with 3D V-cache once again. Zen 4 Delidding Hints At A Big Bandwidth Bump For Ryzen 7000 3D V-Cache CPUs hothardware.com AMD want to get rid of the 5800X3D chips so they can push people/gamers/creators over on the much more expensive AM5 platform. The soon EOL 5000 serie (X3D) chips have stolen all the thunder from 7000 series chips and AM5 platform. Lower profits due people want the much cheaper 5000 series chips need new thinking. I as well would try something like this 🙂 Lower the prices on the brand new Zen 4 and AM5 would in the end cost AMD a lot more. Many ways to keep up prices (manipulating the market to keep up ASP isn't something new). But this can hit back. Ryzen 7 5800X3D price slashed to US$329 as AMD discounts Zen 3 CPUs in the US https://www.notebookcheck.net/Ryzen-7-5800X3D-price-slashed-to-US-329-as-AMD-discounts-Zen-3-CPUs-in-the-US.666023.0.html AMD has also slashed prices for other Ryzen 5000 series CPUs. The Zen 3 flagship Ryzen 9 5950X which was introduced at US$799 now goes for US$549. The Ryzen 9 5900X has also seen a discount and you can now get one from AMD for US$349 (former MSRP of US$549). Finally, prices for the Ryzen 7 5800X and the Ryzen 5 5600X have also been cut by US$200 and US$140 respectively. The chips now cost US$249 and US$159. All Zen 3 CPUs mentioned here also include a free copy of the Uncharted: Legacy of Thieves Collection video game.

A couple of fast benches to see if the chips works as it should. I wish Intel could deliver a few more P-cores instead of the flod with babies. Imagine this chips come with 16 P-cores and reduced some of the E-cores. https://hwbot.org/submission/5112151_papusan_pifast_core_i9_13900k_9sec_230ms?recalculate=true https://hwbot.org/submission/5112142_papusan_cinebench___r23_multi_core_with_benchmate_core_i9_13900k_44090_cb You'll need LN2 for AMD's latest and greatest Ryzen Zen4 to come on par with an water cooled Intel chips😮 @jaybee83 isn't that correct? Or maybe I'm wrong?

You probably need to wiggle it loose. But be gentle. You mean this little beauty? Stupid new features is the norm nowadays. So what you experience is as expected. ASRock Launches 13.3-inch Display for Mounting Inside the Case Today, 14:37 A while back, some ASRock motherboards showed up with an eDP connector, which seemed odd, as outside of the embedded market or notebooks, eDP isn't commonly found. ASRock has now revealed what it's for, namely a 13.3-inch display, or side panel kit as the company calls it. In other words, this is a 13.3-inch display that mounts inside your case, assuming you have a tempered glass side panel. It's meant to be used as a secondary display, rather than just being some kind of diagnostics tool, which similar products on the market today end up being. However, ASRock provides a custom eDP cable with a 40-pin connector, as well as four mounting brackets, some cable clips and even extra adhesive strips, in case you'd want to move the display to a new case in the future. The panel measures 300.26 x 193.01 mm (W x H), so it might not fit all cases. ASRock also points out that you need to have a clear, transparent tempered glass side panel for optimal usage of the display, as a tinted panel would for obvious reasons reduce the light that could be transmitted through the glass. The panel is compatible with the ASRock Z790 LiveMixer, Z790 Pro RS/D4, Z790M-ITX WiFi, Z790 Steel Legend WiFi, Z790 PG Lightning, Z790 Pro RS, Z790 PG Lightning/D4, H610M-ITX/eDP and B650E PG-ITX WiFi motherboards. Useless features only increase the complexity and price of the products. But this is well known. Overpowered VRM specs etc is meant to push price point higher than ever. They can't do that if they don't offer some new/more value over previous product models.

You said the sheath braiding seems tighter on my EVGA 1600W T2 than on my Thermaltake 1650W GF3. When I looked on the spare part cable from Thermaltake's webpage I saw that the brading around the cable was pretty loose. Hence I asked "maybe wrong wording"... I should rather asked if they looked equal (the whole cable). Because making different versions of the sam cable is stupid. Remember thermaltake differenciate the design for the cables in the PSU package (the 12VHPWR cable is braided, the other ones are flat). So there is no reaason to make several design and matriale used for this new cable. Put it on the Papusan list of learning... My english isn't always 110% perfect. So, thanks bro John 🙂 Regarding 3rd party connectors/cables for nvidia's new burning inferno... It voids the warranty. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/right-angle-16-pin-connector-may-save-a-lot-of-rtx-4090-gpus Updated 10/26/2022 9:00 pm PT: Added the relevant information about the usage of third-party adapters from Nvidia documentation included with the GeForce RTX 4090 Founders Edition. "Use only the included PCIe Gen 5 compliant power connector adapter for your GeForce RTX 40-series Founders Edition graphics card. Use of non-compliant or third-party power connector adapters may cause technical issues, and may void your manufacturer warranty." Heck, all should avoid NVIDIA'S melting disaster. And nvidia should be happy people use 3rd party parts from reputable brands if they are better quality than the frying cable from the green goblins. Haha. And thanks🙂

HaHa. I knew you got a new PSU with the needed cables. How is the cable from your PSU vs the one Thermaltake sell on their store? And yep, I know you wouldn't buy cables on Aliexpress🙂 The offering (to stop the smoke and melting) from Thermaltake. Yep, not from Alienxpress😀

Congrats my friend. Hope you both enjoyed the day 🙂 Me and my wife have been married 27 years. And have been together 32 year 🙂 Love is a good thing bro Fox. So send my best blessings to your lovely wife. The dam stupid bend mess from Intel eat up all my better thermal paste. Got it work at 3rd or 4th try. Was stuck at 800MHz and the SP prediction was total wacko. As a footnote. Idiocy in high potense that you need to take out the Cpu from the socket, then clear cmos (or flash new/old bios with it's risk) if the Asus SP prediction fail due intel's stupid made ILM. How dificult is it to let the clear cmos button do the job, Asus? Halfbaked. Here is few pict for bro @electrosoft You miss my "all black" crocs?😀 With the Governments robbery (25% tax) the chips cost $818 here home. Withous the greed the 13900K would cost around $615. SP101 (P111 and 83 for the babies) right out of the box. I will probably keep it. There is lack of chips here home also. And Asus follow Dell and added a new useless feature in bios. A temp cap alla Dell's TCC offset. Where do they get all the great idas from?

Thermaltake PCIe Gen 5 Cable feels like one from aliexpress. Can't beat that feeling, LOOL How is your opinion on Thermaltake's PCIe Gen 5 Cable bro John?

It does make sense.... Intel's new Tick/Tock process: -2 Cores/+2 Core😀 Tick... Tock... Tick... Tock --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Galax will be the only option that offer dual 16-pin power connectors. With monopoly now as EVGA is dead you are able to charge a nice premium for their best card. And Galax usually only offer custom firmware and custom software for the very few. And Galx is a no option most part of the world. What a sad direction for performance enthusiasts. GALAX GeForce RTX 4090 HOF is the first Ada GPU with dual 16-pin power connectors https://videocardz.com/newz/galax-geforce-rtx-4090-hof-is-the-first-ada-gpu-with-dual-16-pin-power-connectors GALAX RTX 4090 HOF is probably not yet ready for launch. The company usually sends bare boards to extreme overclockers for testing, while they prepare new coolers for retail launch. Those are not needed for extreme overclocking with liquid nitrogen.

AMD Is Investigating Reports Of Ryzen 7000 Gaming Performance Anomalies In Windows 11 hothardware.com AMD has issued an advisory regarding reported Windows 11 versus Windows 10 performance deltas in certain games with its newly minted Ryzen 7000 series desktop processors. While the company has not observed any usual performance characteristics so far (and neither have we, for that matter), it is looking claims by those who say they have.

As I said in previous post. Double price vs retail/item price is +1600$. Then there is a question about freebie from EVGA. So it should be 1600-2000$ or near half way to an custom 4090 if you spent the half on a new Cpu (or just buy two 13900K/KF and resell the worst bin for the profits). But whats matter most is whats fits the user's need. AMD goes all in for the environment and energy saving😞 (so no smoke, melting and fire as Nvidia offer)😁 AMD goes the opposite way of nvidia. Referance will be 2x 8-pin or max 375w (included power from the PCIe slot). 20% lower power budget vs Nvidia's top dog means that AMD will leave 2-5% performance on the table. Could be that the performance with the new cards is good enough to reach the top without maxing out possible power budget. We'll see. AMD Radeon RX 7900 graphics card has been pictured, two 8-pin power connectors confirmed https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-7900-graphics-card-has-been-pictured-two-8-pin-power-connectors-confirmed

More on the topic. I would push for double the price of retail price + freebies he mentioned. Remember Evga is still not out with their new Z790 motherboards. I think Evga will promote good bench results for the release. So I would speed up this with Cens now if gaming is your priority nr #1. Gigabyte did the same for their motherboards. Great bench results to help the sales of their new boards.

Not sure when the KS version pop up. But at that time it will lose lots of value. Also did you get answers what he thought regarding EVGA stuff? Maybe you can sell the freebees you may get as well (+1000$ for the Cpu).

It seems Hwbot will force you to run latest Benchmate version for benchmarks which requires it. Will be fun with old ancient hardware. HWBOT news Update your benching Osses !! It's time to update them benching OSses ladies and gentlemen, from the 29th of October plz only use BenchMate 10.12.2 or newer version. Grab the latest version at the BenchMate website

Remove features to add them back later is also Microsofts way do it. This way you will feel you get something back if you upgrade🙂 Moving on, we have the 15th Gen Arrow Lake-S Desktop CPUs which will bring back the 24 cores that we get on Raptor Lake CPUs today. The Arrow Lake-S top die will utilize up to 24 cores which will be a combination of 8 Performance Cores and 16 Efficiency Cores. In the older days we was stuck with 4 cores in a long time. Now we will be stuck with a flood of Baby-cores. So in short... Intel's new Tick/Tock process: -2 Cores/+2 Core😀 Edit. Who moderate Nvidia's reddit forum? Nvidia themself?

High core counts processors and incresed IPC for baby cores. Remember AMD Ryzen mainstream will most likely be stuck on with 16 cores. Or they are forced to do as Intel to keep being competitive on price. Bigger cores will always be more expensive.

The future is less of P-cores. Will AMD follow Intel and offer less performance cores and offer 75% of the cores as baby cores as well? Don't games need more than 6 real cores in the future or/will small E-cores be better for gaming? The transition to trash cores continue... And why go down to 6 P-cores then add 2 more for the refresh on same socket? A nice way to milk/offer an performance upgrade path? Remove cores, then add them back to offer something new. Almost as Dell did with their gaming laptops @Ashtrix+++ Based on the leaked slides, it looks like Intel's 14th Gen Meteor Lake-S Desktop CPUs will take a step back and reduce the number of P-Cores while retaining the number of E-Cores. The lineup listed in the charts includes five different SKU configurations with the top variants featuring up to 22 cores in a combination of 6 P-Cores and 16 E-Cores. The P-Cores on the Meteor Lake CPUs are based on the brand-new Redwood Cove architecture while the E-Cores will utilize the Crestmont design. Intel Meteor Lake-S CPUs To Feature 6 Performance Cores, Arrow Lake-S With 8 P-Cores On LGA 1851 Socket And more about Nvidia's disaster. Jon Gerow, aka Jonny Guru (Director of Research Development @ Corsair), has posted a write-up about the 12VHPWR connector. SO, YOU’RE GOOD WITH THE 12VHPWR CONNECTOR? Unfortunately, as of this writing (10/29/2022) Nvidia’s included adapter uses solder, some terminal I’ve never seen before (it has two splits instead of one) and I don’t know what else. Which turns an otherwise excellently designed connector into a disaster. IS THAT IT? Probably not. Let’s consider this a living document as we find out more and more about the new 12VHPWR connector and its potential issues.

Yep, but I think nvidia will be plagued with this a long time if not all the buyers get a notice from where they bought the cards/notice in their bloatware package (GeForce Experience) to warn people about the danger using their stupid engineered adaper. Will be fun see what nvidia will say about this topci in coming press releases. Will they try talk it down (fire fighting to reduce the damage on own reputation) and say only a few adapters are affected by the flaws? We'll see 🙂 Buildzoid isn't fully sure the problem Igorslab have found is the only one. But weird this badly designed adapter slipped through Nvidia's quality control/validation. Maybe they test own products in the same way as Microsoft do for their CU patches? Only a few tested, then rush it out to meet deadline. Only 4 today🙂 October 29 Link Here Gigabyte 4090 Gaming OC 4x 8 pins October 29 Link Here Asus TUF 4090 4x 8 pins October 29 Link Here MSI Gaming X Trio 4090 3x 8 pins October 29 Link Here Gigabyte 4090 Gaming OC 4x 8 pins Thanks bro @electrosoft🙂

HeHe. What is a day without new smoke and fire? New one out. But where is Nvidia? Planning, an escape route without looking stupid? Just start the recall!! The longer they wait, the worse it will be. Just don't let the stupid engineers that said the adapter was good enough to be shipped with 4090, examine the burnt cards/adapters😁 40 minutes ago Another 16pin Adapter Melting (around 8hrs total use)

Nvidia's reputation is at stake. And this only a few weeks before AMD launch their new graphics cards. AMD could'nt get a better before Christmas gift than what Nvidia gave them this time. If you have a melted 4090 connector in the US you can report it to the Consumer Product Safety Commission here. saferproducts.gov/ Fellow Canadian RTX 4090 owners, remember if you experience any melting issues with your adapter/connector, please report it to Health Canada health.canada.ca/en/hea... And this is just amusing... Always be prepared if you game on newest Nvidia graphics. Always have your fire extinguishers right beside the "ticking bomb". What can goes wrong here?😁 Btw... Who will have to pay for filling up the fire extinguishers after the fire due unsafe Nvidia products? Nvidia or you? Hehe And some others like to live on the utter edge... Cardboard packaging is as you know flammable😁

Two new in a rove. The smoke and fire show continue with nvidia's new modern power adapter. New has to be better. Always. Also Microsoft think so. Nvidia wanted to cut costs with this new design. 1600$ for the graphics cards isn't enough to make big enough profits. Hence they was forced to cut costs. MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 adapter burned A Friend Messaged Me to check on my 4090's connector Btw. What you think about the airflow direction on the fans below the fried 4090? Why use the bottom fans as exhaust fans? So he could smell the smoke faster?

Remove older 5000 seriec Ryzen chips from that list and there you have the sales numbers for AM5 platform. Edit. Why not just reduce the price for the Cpu and MB and let the people determine themself what memory kit they want to buy? You Will Get A Free 32 GB DDR5-5600 Kit & $50 US Off AM5 Motherboards If Your Purchase An AMD Ryzen 7000 CPU At Microcenter https://wccftech.com/get-a-free-32-gb-ddr5-5600-kit-50-usd-off-am5-motherboards-purchase-amd-ryzen-7000-cpu-microcenter/

Why?😃 Because.... 😁 😁 😁