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Papusan replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Look from 10:00 and you may see why bling bling is a bad thing for you 🙂 Do yoo like bling bling bro Fox in same way as me? DazMode have been in the cooling business a long time. And he also mean this modern fancy awful tech shouldn't be placed everywhere in your pc. I think he even hate it in same way as me, HaHa Yep,, he hate bling bling. From 19:40 No ligthts, period, LOOL -
What if we come to the point that Microsoft will remove all reg-keys in the OS as well force the MB manufacturers to follow their strict rules in same way as Intel forced the MB manufacturers to lock out BCLK overclock for older non K processors. Everything is possible if we talk about Redmond idiots. And this below looks nice... From the comment section. A new task is needed for each new update, LOOL Yep, Newer has to be better, HaHa
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You just have to love Microsoft and their newest OS... "It's worth noting that VBS is automatically disabled in Windows 10, which is why 11 is the only effected OS." Unfortunately, we do not know which specific Windows update initially caused all this mayhem. But when installed, the update automatically enables Microsoft's Virtualization-based Security (VBS) on Windows 11 systems. Microsoft calls this feature "Memory Integrity" in Windows 10 and 11's security app. Windows 11 Update Kills Undervolting and Overvolting on MSI Boards
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Thank you 🙂 They have it here home. But at whopping... Then add shipping on top. So only 95$ here home. Yep, near 100$. Here's one more disgusting price... Only 18$ for a single fan power cable. And God forbid if you only order this one. You have to pay +7$ for shipping on top 🙂 Yep, only 25$ for a cable if you are in need for one. Hail Norway! We can talk about more disgusting while we are at it... Windows 11 Update Kills Undervolting and Overvolting on MSI Boards https://notebooktalk.net/topic/168-all-about-windows-11-news-and-announcements/?do=findComment&comment=13826 -
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Bro Fox. What type/brand flow and temp sensor meter do you have for your pc's? Thanks. Igorslab have tested a couple of them and wasn't happy with the results (the results was all over the place - none of them was especially accurate). But he liked the newer Aqua Computer high flow NEXT. -
September 13, 2022—KB5017308 (OS Build 19044.2006) 2021 LTSC Manual download: 19044.2006 — KB5017308 September 13, 2022-KB5017022 Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.8 for Windows 10, version 20H2, Windows 10 Version 21H1, and Windows 10 Version 21H2 NDP35-48 https://catalog.s.download.windowsupdate.com/d/msdownload/update/software/secu/2022/08/windows10.0-kb5017022-x64-ndp48_ad405b6a81668b45dc4421e154a87ac9023517b5.msu September 13, 2022-KB5017025 Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.8.1 for Windows 10, version 20H2, Windows 10 Version 21H1, and Windows 10 Version 21H2 NDP35-481 https://catalog.s.download.windowsupdate.com/d/msdownload/update/software/secu/2022/08/windows10.0-kb5017025-x64-ndp481_1a9b739f02ed24beabaaf8fada05a59694efa4e4.msu @raptorddd You need to find out if others have same/similar problems on the web. I haven't seen bugs like this mentioned on the net. And major bugs will be posted normally within 1 week on the different tech sites.
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September 13, 2022—KB5017315 (OS Build 17763.3406) 2019 LTSC Prerequisite: You "must" install the August 10, 2021 SSU (KB5005112) before installing the LCU. Manual download: CU (Cumulative Update) 17763.3406 — KB5017315 September 13, 2022-KB5017528 Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5, 4.7.2 and 4.8 for Windows 10, version 1809 and Windows Server, version 2019 NDP35-472 https://catalog.s.download.windowsupdate.com/c/msdownload/update/software/updt/2022/07/windows10.0-kb5016713-x64_06795712a9bf5515c671e4f56f41e17b5a77dae5.msu NDP35-48 https://catalog.s.download.windowsupdate.com/c/msdownload/update/software/updt/2022/07/windows10.0-kb5016593-x64-ndp48_f15bf28d962e2f33576842131f6b6ce38a455d78.msu
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For the first time I have put the build as it is meant t o be on thew web ...Kill me.... But I still want black bro. Probbly not what bro @Talon. But BLACK sorry I havent the data now.-...... But 1/4th lower flow rate sucks. And high pressure (4.0 vs 3.9 real D5 pump) is worthless vs 4 times higher flow. High flow beat high presssure any day. -
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What next? Will we now all be flooded with graphics cards similar as for the laptop Jockey*s ? Best advice... As usual... Wait for proper reviews. And one review ain't enough. Do your Due dilligence. Awesome is soon DEAD!!! Being in desktop land ain’t any different than living in Jokebook- land. What with unlocked vBios? Maybe HOF will continue offer it... Only for a very few fab benchers/or some chosen ones and not for the ordinary graphics cards buyers. The usual from HOF. Just lovely. And this great news will cost Nvidia a lot (same for AMD). A Flooded market with loads used cards (miners bought 35% of all cards from Nvidia) and people have less to spend for coming new tech. Hope Jensen will love it... Greed will always lose. Or will it win? GPU Mining No Longer Profitable After Ethereum Merge Nvidia now.... -
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The Alphacool D5 (fake) pump have 360 L/h flow rate (D5 have 1500 L/h at specs) at default max speed. I have added an 480 mm rad on top for that pump. I expect the default flow rate will sink as a stone. See review of the XPS heatsink and the pump results.... https://www.enostech.com/alphacool-eisblock-xpx-aurora-edge-acrylic-digital-rgb-cpu-water-block-review/ Alphacool Eisbecher D5 – Thermaltake Pacific TF1 – Alphacool Eisbecher D5 The flow rate was taken after 5 minutes of running the loop. The flow rate came to 268 L/h which is quite low given that VPP775 is rated for up to 360 L/h at full speed. We then introduced the block in the loop and repeat the test. The order was: Alphacool Eisbecher D5 – Alphacool Eisblock XPX AURORA Edge – Thermaltake Pacific TF1 – Alphacool Eisbecher D5 The flow rate was once again taken after 5 minutes of the loop running. The flow rate came to 176 L/h which shows the restrictive design of the block. With minor changes going from the XPX block to Ek block I can't put all the blame on the block. I wonder how much more restricted the flow will be with an second 480 mm as I already have added to the so called 350 L/h pump. Edit............. I think the EK-Quantum Kinetic TBE 200 D5 PWM D-RGB - Acetal is the only option we have here home for sale (order outside Norway and add up to 35% on top). And the EK D5 pump (1500 L/h) from EK is verified to be geniune pump from the pump manufacturer. No real/genuine D5 pump offer 1/4 of the capacity as 350 L/h spec. What other options do I have? Not by much. There have to be something else. See post above. 52/45/42@stock voltage in CBR23 and around 70-72C 53/45/42@stock voltage in CBR23 and around 85C@311W I really hate the mounting. And it's a lot worse if you have a huge chassis (difficult to mount on both side at same time without help). And the block is huge and heavy. Re-paste with this new block is an awful task. Edit. Found a review of the EK block on Overclocking.com https://en.overclocking.com/labo-waterblock-ek-quantum-velocity²/ Tried compare the results (score and temps)... My higher score is maybe because I run with higher cashe or baby cores vs reviewers on OC.com. But the temps ain't very different. -
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More pict of the crocks bro @electrosoft🙃 What a heavy baby. Slightly below 1.3 kg. And the Alphacool XPX block clocking in at wimpy 0.350 kg. And this with an heavier steel backplate for the XPS block vs the lighter alu backplate from EK. But what a stupid block design from EK. You need to be born as an Vishnu or being married. Two hands ain't enough to mount this fully metal baby in your chassis. This block is meant to be mounted on the MB before you put it into your chassis. Yep, damn stupid design from EK. -
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Same performance… Nope. Less cores as well on the Max-Q version. And slower vRam and lower TGP. Ala fully castrated. Put it the other way… Desktop cards as the weakest 4080 of those two should be branded Max-Q in same way as Nvidia did nfor the older gen Mobile graphics cards. Nvidia finally gave the desktop buyers same nice graphics options as laptop-jockey’s now. And I don’t joke about this🙂 Isn’t it nice… That Nvidia will treat all types gamers exactly the same way? -
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3DMARK FIRESTRIKE total score is mostly about graphics score. Rather cripple the Cpu speed and put more works into the graphics (run the GPU at lowest possible temp and give it most of the power headroom). Give a huge thanks to Nvidia and the laptop OEMs for destroying own products. And a good advice... Use NVCleanstall for fast driver installs and test out different drivers for your graphics card. Some drivers will give you a slightly better results. A lot drivers to test for your card. Test and test bro Ryan. Don't give up. And only install the bare minimum from the graphics driver package. For the testing you don't even not need to run DDU in between the different drivers and tests. Only do that for final install. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is just disgusting.... 4080 with two different die's. https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-rtx-4080-16gb-12gb-max-tgp-and-gpu-clocks-specs-have-been-leaked And yep.... Nvidia will give almost the same love for the 4090 as they did for 3090. Edit. Maybe Nvidia and AMD still have some hopes. Or maybe they have invested some money to help the miners to keep up maximum profits… https://wccftech.com/bad-news-gamers-ethereum-mining-is-not-going-away-not-yet-at-least/ When it rains on the priest, it drips on the bell ringer. https://no.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/når_det_regner_på_presten,_drypper_det_på_klokkeren -
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Change lights settings in the house/room and the whole will look much better. And cheaper than replacing parts, LOOL -
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Maybe Intel saw what AMD offered.... There is no competition. They coperate on where the price point has to be put. If there was real competition, Intel would never release a re-hashed Intel chips from last year in their new 13th series line-up. Maybe good enough because what AMD will offer in the low end. Aka nothing. Intel confirms Core i5-13600 CPU and below are based on Alder Lake die https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-confirms-core-i5-13600-cpu-and-below-are-based-on-alder-lake-die Intel Price Hike To Affect Upcoming CPUs, Motherboard Chipsets & Other Components In Q4, Up To 20% Increase I'm sure the Red boys and girls will say 100C ain't dangerous and is just fine. And 110W is better than +200w chips from Intel 🙃 AMD Ryzen 5 7600X CPU Operates at 5.45 GHz With Up To 92C Temps at Stock, 110W Package Power Rating Finally below 19 sec in Y-cruncher Pi-1B 🙂 https://hwbot.org/submission/5077444_papusan_y_cruncher___pi_1b_core_i9_12900k_(8p)_18sec_995ms?recalculate=true -
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I despises Pcworld's main editors taste for modern/todays tech, but he hit the nail on the head on this one. Steve has to please all his audience on his Youtube channel. Maybe the reason he land on the opposite side of the fense. Sometimes you just can't please all... Gordon thinks small form factor PCs suck. Does Gamers Nexus agree? SFF builds are terrible, according to Gordon Ung. Steve from GamersNexus says they're great. Who's right? https://www.pcworld.com/article/1064364/small-form-factor-pcs-suck-and-gordons-tired-of-pretending-they-dont.html -
This new move doesn't make Norton as a option. What will they do next? NortonLifeLock to End Antivirus Crypto-Mining Due to Ethereum Merge 1 The company will disable the function on Sept. 14, the day before the scheduled Ethereum merge. However, the decision to offer the miner over the antivirus programs received some backlash from consumers and security experts over concerns the company was saddling users with non-removable bloatware. In its defense, NortonLifeLock said the mining tool was opt-in only. Opt-in only doesn't matter. An antivirus software company should never ever have started with this in first place. ----------------------------------------------------------------- And here is HP's bloatware. New security flaw discovered in HP Support Assistant Included with HP computers, but also available as a standalone release for non-HP PCs that use the brand's peripherals such as scanners or printers, HP Support Assistant is vulnerable to DLL hijacking........
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I have the full metal Apex backplate that replace Intel’s ILM plate. And from what I know the bending fix from Alphacool doesn’t help much on my block(even with adding the bending fix etc from Grizzly). Remember I also could run higher voltage vs temp before. It’s most likely the block I have. I just can’t wait 1 months for special parts that may not help. I need a another block. But only God know how a new block works on Raptor lake. The XPS blocks flatness is amazing but need perfect flat IHS. And the fin’s in the block may or may not be optimal for 13/14th gen (wrong desiged jet plate for newer gen chips). + it’s already confirmed that the XPS block has some very high flow restrictions. A very nice block if you svap out to different setups. Edit. Here's the QD fittings from AC. It seems restrictive for the water flow. I think the inner diameter is too small/cramped + the design for these QDC's will restrict the water flow more than from other higher premium QDC's. Removed the fittings from the tube. So no more chance to drain the loop in a proper way. Will get a drain plug instead for QDC fittings when I find out what type block I will go for ( much better solution). The last length of black tube went as replacement. Aka 1 cm tube left from the roll with the black variant 🙂 I have some lengtht of clear tubes but that would destroy the "all black" finish. -
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Yep, I know that the newer Corsair block is well suited for 12th gen due its cold plate. But who knows how it will do with 13th gen. And we have variances already today for IHS flatness/concave/convexity. -
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It’s the cheaper QD fitting from Alphacool. I’m sure it hamper the flow due it’s design. Dual pumps help massively on flow rate. Even 90 C degrees bends will hamper the water flow. Yep, much of the problem lies on the water block that’s not designed for newer processors. And Intel’s bending mess doesn’t make it any better. You even get variances on the flatness within several mountings. -
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Yep, I don’t like the Velocity2 block mounting mechanism. Very stupid design because you are very limited to socket. But it’s cool better than any Optimus blocks. And Optimus blocks will be very expensive here home. Add 35% premium on top of what you have to pay in U.S. Maybe there is other options that could fit. And who knows what Intel will do with its IHS for Raptor lake (they know about the bending). Maybe they make some improvements for the IHS. And then you have 14th gen next with new socket. What a mess. -
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The cooling setup is as it should be (I cut down the tube lenght from pump to block to make it prettier). But the temps isn't what I expected. I can't run CBR-20 +5.5GHz anymore due higher temp vs voltage. There has to be one of 3. The waterblock, the cheapo quick disconnection that restrict flow massively or the pump. I can't pin pont who is the culprit. But it's weird if this is the pump. I know Igors lab strruggle with the Alphacool XPS block on the newer 1700 platform (and the results wasn’t much better with the bend socket fix from Der8auer). I have seen many reviews with 12900K with one cores that run much lower temp than rest of the P-cores. I have changed paste 4 or 5 times. Not much change to make the 1 core more equal the rest of the P-cores/or make the rest of the cores running colder. What I see is the E-cores change a bit. The last paste application even made the two e-core package to differnciate more in temps. THe IHS is flat when out of the socket and I use the newer full metal AlphacoolApex backplate. Difficult to measure IHS flatness when it’s mounted in the chassis. One thing for sure... The XPS block is old and not a perfect match for socket 1700 processors. A few of many applications... From another mount Have used x-cross, sausage application recommended by Igorslab, as well full spread. Tested with less and more paste. And with less and more pressure on the screws. The main difference is the E-cores temp spread. The P-cores not so much. I will try remove the Quick dissconnection (empty the system). Next will be see if I get a better/different cooling block. But that will net me $180 and it will takes some time. The Alphacool look alike D5 water pump have less water flow vs EK D5 pumps but have a higher hread pressure (tests show it's on level or even beat org EK D5 pump regarding cooling capacity). So I can't think in my mind that the pump is too weak. Or maybe the added 480 mm rad will restrict the water flow. -
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Looking good bro Johnkss. Guru3D have just posted review of the 011 Dynamic Evo on main page.... Review: Lian Li O11 Dynamic Evo chassis By Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 09/02/2022 11:08 AM We’re checking out the Lian Li O11 DYNAMIC EVO, a successor of the O11 Dynamic chassis, which we reviewed four years ago. The Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO appears to have changed very little from the original. You can now install a 280mm radiator in the side location, and there are mounts for eleven (but nine are provided in the bundle) storage drives rather than six. Read the review here. Will do bro Fox -
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Thanks bro Fox and @electrosoft In the older days I was near to buy it myself. But prefered custom water cooling and Phase change. But still a innovation in the older days. A lot better option than old days air coolers. Yep, bigger the better. Maybe I didn't see or hear it... I miss info about what thicness radiators you can use in the chassi (alone or in combo with severals). See it this way. A single 60 mm thick 480 rad have almost same cooling area as two thinner 30mm 480's. And if you go for thicker rads you need fans in push and pull for all (thicker radiators with only puhs or pull will perform worse than an equal thinner model). And this takes a lot space in the chassis as well🙂 There is nothing about it on Coolermasters webpage https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/cases/full-tower/haf-700-evo/#specifications This is a major problems when we talk about reviews/reviewers. They need to go more into the deep of the products. Loads of Ugly from Nochtua.... Wish I lived in U.S then you all could get them for free😀 And the fun part is still left Those 3 babies will save my day @electrosoft 🙂 -
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You can buy stands for the radiator and put it on top of your case. Or just buy an Mora as bro Fox talk about. But you pay premium (sub 500$) for a system like this below. And I don't think you get the performance you hope for... https://www.performance-pcs.com/water-cooling/external-cooling-system/exos-2-5-ex2-1055-cooling-system-aluminum-no-nozzles-ex2-1055.html Edit. Maybe some of you remember this one? Zalmam Reserator… 20 years old (nor used) and on sale on the Norwegian used market https://www.finn.no/bap/forsale/ad.html?finnkode=261502425&alertType=ss&finnMail=agent&stored-id=57532357 Guru3d had a review of it. Enjoy older times folks. LianLi with the Reserator 1 https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/zalman-reserator-1-plus,1.html There shouldn't be a big difference. I mean Linus Tech have tested with push and pull and all weird combos + throw in a lot things/clothes in the case and the temps was still almost the same. The tubes is up. But I can't say I have the big trust in one of the two rotatable 90°compression fittings on the top radiator. One of them feels a lot more loose vs the other when I touch it. We'll see how it goes. I need to follow that one the first days. But 3,hours run on the pump and no leak so far. So God night. 9:04 AM here so I need to find the bed, HaHa And no bling bling. All black 🙂