*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Tenoroon]

I was a bit surprised to hear about a GT77 Titan as the GT series was always how I liked a laptop, big and thick with lots of cooling and powerful components. It seems MSI is moving away from the very premise that made the GT series what it was. This is completely stupid to me, and probably means every component will be soldered unless they  branch the product off like what they did with the GT76 and GT75 (GT76 had desktop CPU while GT75's were still sold with updated soldered mobile processors.)

I don't understand why things are thinning out. CPUs are slowly utilizing more power and GPUs are starting to guzzle the stuff. The SFF community has also realized and accepted that their cases will have to get a bit bigger in order to accommodate the bigger, more powerful GPUs that are launching. Why don't laptop manufacturers and basic consumers understand this?

What's even weirder to me is why manufacturers are selling thin, 16-17 inch laptops. They are already big, you might as well improve performance/cooling and general durability if they are going to be big. I feel like if laptops were bigger and cooled somewhat well, it would allow for a great marketing opportunity to say "We have the most powerful gaming laptop in the world!" or, "Our laptop is the most quiet laptop on the market!" 

To me and other people here, thin isn't impressive. Why? Because thinning laptops out takes away from the general purpose a computer has, which is to perform a specific task requested by the user in a specific time frame. (This is how I see computers at least.) Thinner works for basic computers where one would do basic things, but thinner does not also work for performance-oriented computers where one would be doing gaming and productivity tasks.

I feel like I keep repeating myself, this is really the only place where I can vent about it hence why I repeat myself, but the idiocracy of people and corporations irritates the hell out of me, and I want to fix or at least to try to fix it in the future because I know I'm not the only one who is irritated. 

[jaybee83]

this is one of the last holdouts of a dying breed my friend...believers of high-performance, upgradeable, tunable, fixable laptop monsters...☠️

[Papusan]

 

 

On 4/30/2022 at 6:11 PM, Mr. Fox said:

This is also relevant in the context of GPU prices and the ability of anyone that hasn't recently lost any wealth they have earned, and the ability to replace it, to purchase a GPU. When it costs +100% more to gas up your car and +30% more to purchase basic necessities like food, guess how many people ain't gonna be buying a shiny new GPU unless they can put it on a credit card and take 10 years to pay for it? 

Be happy you don't have to pay Gas prices we have in Norway. We are a big oil nation but have one of the most ugly prices for Gas in the world. 

 

U.S. Gas prices is also topic here home now. Maybe to justify even higher prices in the coming months.

 

https://finansavisen-no.translate.goog/nyheter/bil/2022/05/10/7864050/bensinpriser-stiger-til-ny-rekord-igjen?_x_tr_sl=no&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

 

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We will see more refined throttling algorithms and an even harder working dynamic boost feature that let the GPU or the Cpu have first priority on cooling. 

https://hothardware.com/news/intel-12th-gen-alder-lake-hx-cpus-more-cores-features

 

And we may see new ways to differenciate the OEMS. Up to the different OEM what features they will offer. The HX chips come with an castrated iGPU so now they can charge more for the lap-jokes for those that don't want pay premium for their ARC Gpu. Maybe they also can stop people from fiddeling with an eGPU?

https://www.anandtech.com/show/17376/intel-launches-alder-lake-hx-series-processors-for-highend-laptops#:~:text=Thunderbolt 4 support is not baked into this platform%3B like its desktop counterpart%2C Thunderbolt is an optional feature here. Adding Thunderbolt requires using a discrete controller (up to two)%2C so it will be left up to laptop vendors to implement their own configurations and designs.

 

Edit:

PS. The HX series ain't as the best option for gaming. Probably because the new Cpu's will clock down lower than the HK chips due the more cores and the higher power consumption. The amazing Dynamic boost feature that "share the power/cooling budget between Cpu and Gpu) easly killed this new chips as an better gaming chips. 

 

Intel's Alder Lake-HX CPUs are official, with support for PCIe 5.0, DDR5, and overclocking

The company also provided a quick overview of gaming performance. For now, we'll have to take Intel's word for it, but it doesn't look like the new CPU series will disappoint. However, the company did note that H-series Alder Lake CPUs will remain the fastest mobile processors for gaming for a while yet, so in terms of performance-per-dollar, you may want to opt for a laptop with Alder Lake-H.
 

 

Btw. The forum is very sluggish and slow. And something has to be done with easier edit the posts. Same also for adding more quotes in same posts afterwards. Not sure what I do wrong but couldn't easy put the post about the new sick BGA opton under Tenoroo quote. Hence it is put under bro Fox reply.

 

6 hours ago, Tenoroon said:

I don't understand why things are thinning out. CPUs are slowly utilizing more power and GPUs are starting to guzzle the stuff. The SFF community has also realized and accepted that their cases will have to get a bit bigger in order to accommodate the bigger, more powerful GPUs that are launching. Why don't laptop manufacturers and basic consumers understand this?

What's even weirder to me is why manufacturers are selling thin, 16-17 inch laptops. They are already big, you might as well improve performance/cooling and general durability if they are going to be big. I feel like if laptops were bigger and cooled somewhat well, it would allow for a great marketing opportunity to say "We have the most powerful gaming laptop in the world!" or, "Our laptop is the most quiet laptop on the market!" 

To me and other people here, thin isn't impressive. Why? Because thinning laptops out takes away from the general purpose a computer has, which is to perform a specific task requested by the user in a specific time frame. (This is how I see computers at least.) Thinner works for basic computers where one would do basic things, but thinner does not also work for performance-oriented computers where one would be doing gaming and productivity tasks.
 

[Clamibot]

1 hour ago, Tenoroon said:

I was a bit surprised to hear about a GT77 Titan as the GT series was always how I liked a laptop, big and thick with lots of cooling and powerful components. It seems MSI is moving away from the very premise that made the GT series what it was. This is completely stupid to me, and probably means every component will be soldered unless they  branch the product off like what they did with the GT76 and GT75 (GT76 had desktop CPU while GT75's were still sold with updated soldered mobile processors.)

I don't understand why things are thinning out. CPUs are slowly utilizing more power and GPUs are starting to guzzle the stuff. The SFF community has also realized and accepted that their cases will have to get a bit bigger in order to accommodate the bigger, more powerful GPUs that are launching. Why don't laptop manufacturers and basic consumers understand this?

What's even weirder to me is why manufacturers are selling thin, 16-17 inch laptops. They are already big, you might as well improve performance/cooling and general durability if they are going to be big. I feel like if laptops were bigger and cooled somewhat well, it would allow for a great marketing opportunity to say "We have the most powerful gaming laptop in the world!" or, "Our laptop is the most quiet laptop on the market!" 

To me and other people here, thin isn't impressive. Why? Because thinning laptops out takes away from the general purpose a computer has, which is to perform a specific task requested by the user in a specific time frame. (This is how I see computers at least.) Thinner works for basic computers where one would do basic things, but thinner does not also work for performance-oriented computers where one would be doing gaming and productivity tasks.

I feel like I keep repeating myself, this is really the only place where I can vent about it hence why I repeat myself, but the idiocracy of people and corporations irritates the hell out of me, and I want to fix or at least to try to fix it in the future because I know I'm not the only one who is irritated. 

 

I never understood this either. The thinning of regular laptops makes sense since they wouldn't utilize all the space in a thick chassis anyway. The fact that performance laptops continue to get thinner is very annoying and is holding them back from performing (heh heh) the task they were meant to fulfill, which is to provide as much performance to the user as possible in an ultraportable package.

 

We have long passed the time where performance laptops should've stopped getting thinner. The unrelenting trend to thinner and lighter performance laptops is causing them to hit a performance wall because of this artificial design constraint. Eventually you're gonna thermal throttle on stock settings because there's no getting around physics.

 

Just to be clear, I have no problem with thin and light laptops in of themselves, I just have a problem with an artificial design constraint gimping performance in performance laptops. An artificial design contraint that interferes with a device's ability to function properly is stupid at best, and malicious at worst. Unless innovations in cooling tech allow the same cooling in thin and light laptops that we have now in desktops, performance laptops should stay thick. I personally prefer thick anyways since that gives the laptop a very solidly built, tough chassis that can take a beating.

 

On a happier note, I am excited for the eluktronics liquid propulsion package though since other companies might create a similar solution if this one is successful. External water cooling is pretty much the only solution we have for properly cooling performance laptops in a market that is crazed for thin and light laptops, regardless of performance class. Imagine a thin and light DTR with a desktop CPU inside and an external 420mm radiator. Man would that be a dream.

[johnksss]

On 5/8/2022 at 12:20 AM, Mr. Fox said:

As expected, Windows 7 memory performance is better. No surprise here, since almost everything works better on Windows 7 as long as you can find a driver that works for it.

 

 

Speaking of drivers... Brother @johnksss when you eventually get your mobo situation sorted with the numbskulls at MSI, I finally found a Realtek USB Audio ALC4080 driver that works for Windows 7. My surround sound works and everything now. I found a Dell Dock driver that is OS agnostic and used the "Have Disk" method to install it.

 

 

Docks_Stands_Driver_08CKK_WN32_6.3.9600.2215_A15_03.EXE 46.45 MB · 2 downloads

Okay, all working and now fully incorporated into my reinstall drivers folder.

Thank you for that Realtek driver!

 

[Mr. Fox]

5 hours ago, Tenoroon said:

I don't understand why things are thinning out. CPUs are slowly utilizing more power and GPUs are starting to guzzle the stuff.

Because 99 out of 100 people buying laptops are idiots, and 100 out of 100 companies selling them care about what those 99 idiots are going to spend their money on. It doesn't matter if it is a piece of crap as long as the sheeple buy it, and if they think it's cute and it meets the approval of their flock on Facepoot it will sell like smiley-faced pancakes with sprinkles on top 

[Reciever]

32 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Because 99 out of 100 people buying laptops are idiots, and 100 out of 100 companies selling them care about what those 99 idiots are going to spend their money on. It doesn't matter if it is a piece of crap as long as the sheeple buy it, and if they think it's cute and it meets the approval of their flock on Facepoot it will sell like smiley-faced pancakes with sprinkles on top 

Wait, those are real?! 

[KING19]

6 hours ago, Tenoroon said:

I was a bit surprised to hear about a GT77 Titan as the GT series was always how I liked a laptop, big and thick with lots of cooling and powerful components. It seems MSI is moving away from the very premise that made the GT series what it was. This is completely stupid to me, and probably means every component will be soldered unless they  branch the product off like what they did with the GT76 and GT75 (GT76 had desktop CPU while GT75's were still sold with updated soldered mobile processors.)

I don't understand why things are thinning out. CPUs are slowly utilizing more power and GPUs are starting to guzzle the stuff. The SFF community has also realized and accepted that their cases will have to get a bit bigger in order to accommodate the bigger, more powerful GPUs that are launching. Why don't laptop manufacturers and basic consumers understand this?

What's even weirder to me is why manufacturers are selling thin, 16-17 inch laptops. They are already big, you might as well improve performance/cooling and general durability if they are going to be big. I feel like if laptops were bigger and cooled somewhat well, it would allow for a great marketing opportunity to say "We have the most powerful gaming laptop in the world!" or, "Our laptop is the most quiet laptop on the market!" 

To me and other people here, thin isn't impressive. Why? Because thinning laptops out takes away from the general purpose a computer has, which is to perform a specific task requested by the user in a specific time frame. (This is how I see computers at least.) Thinner works for basic computers where one would do basic things, but thinner does not also work for performance-oriented computers where one would be doing gaming and productivity tasks.

I feel like I keep repeating myself, this is really the only place where I can vent about it hence why I repeat myself, but the idiocracy of people and corporations irritates the hell out of me, and I want to fix or at least to try to fix it in the future because I know I'm not the only one who is irritated. 

 

Sadly its the latest trend with laptops, The days of big and thick laptops are over. They're going keep getting thinner and thinner every year and people will keep buying them and later complain why their gaming laptops are overheating and later in the future asking why they cant upgrade their RAM, Wifi and storage drives anymore.... Even thin and light 16-17" desktop replacement laptops will throttle like crazy because they cant handle the heat especially with powerful Intel and AMD CPUs.

 

We enthusiasts only represent a small minority of PC consumers these days so companies are going to cater to the lowest common denominator..

 

 

[electrosoft]

1 minute ago, KING19 said:

 

Sadly its the latest trend with laptops, The days of big and thick laptops are over. They're going keep getting thinner and thinner every year and people will keep buying them and later complain why their gaming laptops are overheating and later in the future asking why they cant upgrade their RAM, Wifi and storage drives anymore.... Even thin and light 16-17" desktop replacement laptops will throttle like crazy because they cant handle the heat especially with powerful Intel and AMD CPUs.

 

We enthusiasts only represent a small minority of PC consumers these days so companies are going to cater to the lowest common denominator..

 

 

 

Unfortunately this is very true...

[Papusan]

57 minutes ago, KING19 said:

 

Sadly its the latest trend with laptops, The days of big and thick laptops are over. They're going keep getting thinner and thinner every year and people will keep buying them and later complain why their gaming laptops are overheating and later in the future asking why they cant upgrade their RAM, Wifi and storage drives anymore.... Even thin and light 16-17" desktop replacement laptops will throttle like crazy because they cant handle the heat especially with powerful Intel and AMD CPUs.

 

We enthusiasts only represent a small minority of PC consumers these days so companies are going to cater to the lowest common denominator..

OEMs can keep overheating at bay with firmware, drivers and software. 100C for Cpu and +80C for the GPU is just fine. Just ask an Dell HW engineer. Throttling due overheating is an feature and not a bug.

Features like Dynamic boost 2.0/AMD's SmartShift technology will help the OEM to further to reach their goal and achieve Apple's modern laptop chassis design. Push you over on newer laptops before time as etc offer untapped performance due their crippling is a smart move to increase/keep up the profits. Features as mentioned above is the OEMS golden ticket to try compete with Apple regarding tomorrows laptop design. Design over functionality will always cater to the average Joe. 

 

What is Nvidia Dynamic Boost 2.0? | Trusted Reviews 

 

What is AMD SmartShift? | Windows Central

[Mr. Fox]

Nothing in mobile computing is worth a damn now. The entire market is 100% saturated with worthless dung from the cheapest to the most expensive option. Even if money were no object, there is not one single option worthy of consideration. The most exotic "high performance" option money can buy is an emasculated, pathetic, ridiculous BGA piece of trash that nobody should waste their money on. Ditto on the cheapest. Throw-away filth... all of it.

[electrosoft]

Watching Biso Biso work some fun times with his EVGA KP 3090 TI:

 

 

[Talon]

Pushed the 115w 3070 a bit further with a vBIOS flash. Works 100%. All outs, Advanced Optimus and G-Sync all work and the laptop runs nice and cool with the Honeywell 7950 phase change. 

 

 

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/28094550

[jaybee83]

5 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Watching Biso Biso work some fun times with his EVGA KP 3090 TI:

 

 

 

i had to laugh at around 00:50 to 1:00 because thats exactly how i imagine our resident Yeti @papusan and his setup in front of his Igloo 😁😂

[Mr. Fox]

10 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

i had to laugh at around 00:50 to 1:00 because thats exactly how i imagine our resident Yeti @papusan and his setup in front of his Igloo 😁😂

Vikings don't have igloos. They have ice castles.

[johnksss]

And the drama continues.....

I just go my board back today and this is what I get. Junk in the cpu slot. Broken release mechanism on PICE slot along with bent center part of PCIE slot. Broken stuff falling from box.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13FW7hAzLKkqrPAroIH_OzrhMArihtmAC?usp=sharing

[jaybee83]

25 minutes ago, johnksss said:

And the drama continues.....

I just go my board back today and this is what I get. Junk in the cpu slot. Broken release mechanism on PICE slot along with bent center part of PCIE slot. Broken stuff falling from box.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13FW7hAzLKkqrPAroIH_OzrhMArihtmAC?usp=sharing

how much u wanna bet theyll say that u did that? due to "unprofessional handling" of the board because u aint one of their "highly trained" technicians? 😂

man this sux a$$, im feeling for ya...

[johnksss]

10 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

how much u wanna bet theyll say that u did that? due to "unprofessional handling" of the board because u aint one of their "highly trained" technicians? 😂

man this sux a$$, im feeling for ya...

All I can do is complain yet again at this point, but I'm over it. From here on out it's no longer about getting even it's about getting ahead with this company. That was the 3 shot and they failed yet again.

[Mr. Fox]

47 minutes ago, johnksss said:

And the drama continues.....

I just go my board back today and this is what I get. Junk in the cpu slot. Broken release mechanism on PICE slot along with bent center part of PCIE slot. Broken stuff falling from box.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13FW7hAzLKkqrPAroIH_OzrhMArihtmAC?usp=sharing

8 minutes ago, johnksss said:

All I can do is complain yet again at this point, but I'm over it. From here on out it's no longer about getting even it's about getting ahead with this company. That was the 3 shot and they failed yet again.

Hmm, that's very bad. I have been impressed with the Unify-X so far, but if this level of abject incompetence and service failure is what can be expected from MSI, I am not sure that I will ever consider their brand again going forward. What sucks is the reality that we are left with ASUS, and that doesn't seem better to me (due to truly horrible service and crappy QC). And, the one viable alternative is EVGA, offering excellent products, excellent service, but severely overpriced merchandise, limited stock availability and consistently late release of products. It really feel like everything relating to technology is circling the drain.

[johnksss]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Hmm, that's very bad. I have been impressed with the Unify-X so far, but if this level of abject incompetence and service failure is what can be expected from MSI, I am not sure that I will ever consider their brand again going forward. What sucks is the reality that we are left with ASUS, and that doesn't seem better to me (due to truly horrible service and crappy QC). And, the one viable alternative is EVGA, offering excellent products, excellent service, but severely overpriced merchandise, limited stock availability and consistently late release of products. It really feel like everything relating to technology is circling the drain.

Kind of why I did not want to buy this from Newegg, but Microcenter did not have the Z690 Unify X nor the Z690 Apex (Which they were hunting down for me but with no luck). If this was MC I would have already gotten a brand new board the same day this board went out.

 

True on EVGA and Asus does have it's moments, but so far this MSI experiences has top them both on bad service.

Love the board and tech support is pretty on point. No drama or delays on issuing the RMA's And free shipping on the last return. The part that isn't on point is the RMA intake center. They suck royally!

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

Kind of why I did not want to buy this from Newegg, but Microcenter did not have the Z690 Unify X nor the Z690 Apex (Which they were hunting down for me but with no luck). If this was MC I would have already gotten a brand new board the same day this board went out.

 

True on EVGA and Asus does have it's moments, but so far this MSI experiences has top them both on bad service.

Love the board and tech support is pretty on point. No drama or delays on issuing the RMA's And free shipping on the last return. The part that isn't on point is the RMA intake center. They suck royally!

I so wish we could have a MicroCenter here. I don't really understand why there isn't one. There is no doubt in my mind it would be wildly successful, and Arizona is one of the most favorable venues for business due to the very conservative approach, low property taxes, super-low income tax, etc. That is why Intel, AMD, TSMC and Motorola all have huge facilities here. It is  also a very tech-friendly enviornment. The state rewards businesses and business owners here rather than punish them... very similar to Texas.

 

Now that Fry's is dead and gone they would have no competition whatsoever, unless you count Best Buy. I wouldn't count them because Best Buy generally only handles the mediocre middle-market consumer product models and components that I'd never consider buying. As a general rule, they do not stock or sell enthusiast-grade components. There are random exceptions, but few and far between.

 

https://community.microcenter.com/discussion/8888/new-stores#latest

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, johnksss said:

And the drama continues.....

I just go my board back today and this is what I get. Junk in the cpu slot. Broken release mechanism on PICE slot along with bent center part of PCIE slot. Broken stuff falling from box.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13FW7hAzLKkqrPAroIH_OzrhMArihtmAC?usp=sharing

This is one of many things why I buy MB etc from known retail stores here home and not those Norwegian webstores that sell it a few bucks cheaper because they have parallel import from abroad (offer all taxes included). None of their items/parts/repair is located here in Norway.  So it's much easier to deal with a real webstore with good reputation. And this is why I don't want  buy similar items from other countries webstores or even from EVGA abroud. I would be without my new and shiny at least a couple of months each time something breaks. That would sucks.

 

But I'm sure you find your way out of this mess. Sad when it happens, but who know... You could have been  lucky and everything have worked first time. Good luck bro John. Kick them in the balls. 

 

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, johnksss said:

The part that isn't on point is the RMA intake center. They suck royally!

See bolded text above.

[johnksss]

36 minutes ago, Papusan said:

This is one of many things why I buy MB etc from known retail stores here home and not those Norwegian webstores that sell it a few bucks cheaper because they have parallel import from abroad (offer all taxes included). None of their items/parts/repair is located here in Norway.  So it's much easier to deal with a real webstore with good reputation. And this is why I don't want  buy similar items from other countries webstores or even from EVGA abroud. I would be without my new and shiny at least a couple of months each time something breaks. That would sucks.

 

But I'm sure you find your way out of this mess. Sad when it happens, but who know... You could have been  lucky and everything have worked first time. Good luck bro John. Kick them in the balls. 

 

.... back to the original issue that started this whole "walk of shame" ordeal...EVGA Hydrocopper water block basically broke everything.....🤦‍♂️

[Reciever]

4 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

how much u wanna bet theyll say that u did that? due to "unprofessional handling" of the board because u aint one of their "highly trained" technicians? 😂

man this sux a$$, im feeling for ya...

 

I remember being incredibly disappointed when I bought my ex the GE40 a while back. We opted for the super drive adapter. The Msi store front was just a unit much like you would find at a shopping mall from the west, in yongsang south Korea. 

 

They just plopped it open and punctured the warranty sticker and placed another on top when they were done. The afterglow of msi never returned for me but I did like the F5 as a product.