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Times are changing. Flagship products are less overbuilt and instead target the T&L crowd. Are they higher performance? Sure, but only marginally. Performance and expansion aren't the highest priority anymore. We have more customization options for RGB lighting than we do CPU performance or fan control.
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Yeah I am actually annoyed that I was not even upsold on the 280W power brick, given that I had ordered the 12900 and 3070ti config from them. The notebookcheck review had that brick and it was pulling above 230W IIRC!
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Eurocom said they would give me the service manual if they had it. Although it may not be produced as quickly if this model isn't carried by the majority of Clevo resellers. The results sound great. I ordered the kit to relid my 12900k as well.
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Thanks for the photo. Sadly I don't see anything that fits the description there. The PS8461 is a 66 pin 5mmx10mm IC. They may be using a different IC than the BGA model from last year, but its hard to read those part number printed on the IC without perfect lighting and a very good macro lens. Even Clevo's own service manual photos are generally blurry. If only they would release the service manual for the NH55. It is already 3+ months after launch.
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Dell should launch in a few days if I had to guess. Lenovo has some P16 configs posted to their USA site. Nothing in stock for immediate shipment, but they do have pricing and specs to compare against! Still no activity for the Zbook Fury 16 G9, but IIRC HP had a delayed launch last year too. Those guys on the HP workstation team not too far from where I live in Colorado so I knew a couple from local LUG meetups have a lot on their plate so it is hard to meet release dates. The Precision is still the most interesting of the bunch given the 17 inch screen, 3080Ti option, and hopefully the revamped cooling system allows the 12950HX to sustain higher power limits than we saw in the 7760 even if its in a CPU-only load scenario.
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A better list: must be able to reach and maintain advertised boost frequencies for a given ambient environment must provide tool less mechanism to replace battery must not excessively drain battery while sleeping or wake up until user has triggered a wake up event must be able to configure battery charging so users can maximize battery lifespan must include useful connectivity for products sold today, USB-A and USB-C on both sides must not package premium features together forcing unwanted upgrades of one feature to get another
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This is the plug connector part: https://www.acesconn.com/series_list/BoxingPower/64
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I do prefer slower fan ramp up. The X170KM had trouble dealing with the heat generated by the 11900K at high clock speeds. Even 1-2 core loads would send it into the 50dB range. I guess a better binned CPU might have helped things but I did not try that. Oh and I will note that new MSI machines do not work with Silent Option, the only choice is their UWP Control Center app. As far as the Precision goes CAMM might get cheaper if we see aftermarket modules. So far I know that SK Hynix and Samsung are producing OEM CAMM modules for Dell directly using the same IC's you might find on a SODIMM. It may also help if they deliver on their promise that CAMM is superior if you can operate at 4800MT/s with 128GB capacity, while SODIMMs operate at 4000MT/s or such. Maybe MSI just does not have as established relationship as Asus for vapor chamber manufacturing - Asus had them on G752 with 1080 mobile IIRC, over five years ago.
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@jaybee83 By chance do you have any high resolution photos of the backside? I was curious if the Parade PS8461 Mux IC was physically present on the NJ55JNNQ board as it would mean there is a chance may enable it in a future firmware update. It would probably be on the backside opposite the eDP connector.
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The Strix Scar 17 SE isn't too bad. The vapor chamber works well although the firmware also does not ramp up fans very quickly which also helps with noise. I am not really interested in the GT77 even if it has more expansion capabilities. The GE76 had loud fans with a high pitched whine to them that would ramp up and down quickly, and buggy control software so setting a custom curve would not consistently work. The Precision is interesting but we still don't know its allowed CPU limits. If anything we know it will likely be pretty quiet just like the 7760, the CAMM memory will be expensive (2000USD for 128GB if I had to guess), but it will have a better looking chassis and support for Windows 10 / Linux.
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Yeah, I poked around with it a bit last month. I also have a HyperX 2666CL15 Samsung B-die dual rank 2x16GB kit that I tried setting a custom profile at 3200CL16 1.2v last month, but sadly it could not train and got stuck in a boot loop so I gave up after a few tries. The same memory runs fine configured that way in my boss's Eluktronics MAX 17 11800H (with the Prema BIOS!). My hope is Eurocom will get a bios update from Clevo with more stuff working at some point, maybe because they are selling the 12700k/12900k and BGA HX competition they have a reason to allow users to get the most out of this system. I know it is not impossible because I have read about XMG getting the NH55VR bios tuned to better support the 5950x within the chassis power limits.
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The NH5xJ uses DDR4. I have a HyperX dual rank Micron E-die IC 2x16GB kit in mine which works fine at 3200 CL20 Gear 1 from its JEDEC profile.
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Not much on the hardware side. I have had the 12900 installed (with Nanogrease Extreme) for the past couple of weeks but I want to re-install the Newegg 12900k again for some more testing. I do have Fedora 36 with the 5.18.3 kernel installed which works well. Optimus isn't the ideal configuration but with Nvidia set as the Primary GPU it can drive both displays without tearing at different refresh rates.
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Yeah, maybe it has a unified vapor chamber with heatpipes soldered to it going to the fin stacks.
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Looks like soldered wifi. Also photos show a heatpipe heatsink even with a high end GPU so does that mean no vapor chamber? In theory with that setup it could still handle 125W sustained on the CPU if the GPU is inactive or not present.
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These days supporting dynamic boost as a feature is an almost guarantee of a GPU biased heatsink. The CPU cooling is an afterthought. I would love it if a manufacturer would move to non unified designs with known sustained limits. The extra TDP Nvidia dangles like a carrot on a stick is not worth it.
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Different machines. The XMG was the B550 AMD + BGA 3070 model which does indeed have the heatsink pictured. It also has no iGPU support so all display outputs are wired to the 3070 which is a superior config. It is not like any of these machines are winning awards for battery life.
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To me anything labeled as a DTR should be as modular as one might find an ITX board. So modular cpu, gpu, memory, storage, wifi. The closest for Alder Lake would be high end mobile workstations from Dell, HP and Lenovo. The NH55JNNQ could have also fit the bill if they had a model without any Nvidia GPU.
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They gave me that keyboard as well. It is UK English. Still have an open support ticket asking the correct one to be shipped to me.
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Mine took three days to build and ship. It was in transit with UPS Ground for a week, traveling from Montreal, clearing customs, to Colorado. Its odd that the QHD screens were backordered. Sager has had all of the BGA 12700H 15 inch models from Clevo in stock that use the same screen for a month now. Those BGA models also have a functional MUX switch too which is very frustrating.
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Yeah, with Throttlestop it should be possible to lock the limits as high as the EC allows. I don't expect to get the same as gaming machines allow, like the GT77 157W CPU / 75W+175W Combined, just because this is a business system and needs to be more conservative. Although I would hope with improved thermals and a vapor chamber we can get a higher CPU limit as the cooling system isn't biased towards both CPU and GPU in operation. Its a shame, because the gaming systems have become so gaudy and are either high performance and plastic chassis, or thin and light but better build quality. There are also issues with running Windows 10 and even Linux on those systems so the business models have some advantages.
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The upgrade price is the cost of a complete NH55JNNQ system board with the BGA 3070Ti.
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@Aaron44126Was the rep particularly pushy about selling a warranty upgrade with the system? I spoke to one and he quoted the same price with or without a very expensive warranty package. They quoted me $4000 for the following: 12950HX 32GB Non-ECC CAMM DDR5-4800 256GB SSD 3080Ti FHD 60hz 100% DCI-P3 with FHD non-IR camera Non-backlit keyboard (whoops) No SSD door/Security devices Windows 10 Pro 96W Battery 4 year ProSupport Hopefully the sustained CPU TDP with the GPU idle is much higher than 75W. As far as combined loads, 65W+150W would be great, but my guess is not enough headroom with the 240W power brick.
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Nice! Did the Dell rep happen to have more details on the sustained CPU power limits?
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If I recall there is a Lenovo Legion 7 with 6900hx and 6850m using a unified vapor chamber in the works. It should support 64GB DDR5 and would likely be able to swap in a 1920x1200 16 inch 165hz panel. The unified vapor chamber is nice because in pure CPU loads it is very overbuilt. If the Strix had a better factory LM job I am sure it would be scoring as good or better than the GT77. It is a shame that they only offer the vapor chamber on the 3080Ti config...
