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    Spec sheets. https://www.delltechnologies.com/asset/en-us/products/workstations/technical-support/precision-3571-spec-sheet.pdf https://www.delltechnologies.com/asset/en-us/products/workstations/technical-support/precision-5470-spec-sheet.pdf https://www.delltechnologies.com/asset/en-us/products/workstations/technical-support/precision-5570-spec-sheet.pdf https://www.delltechnologies.com/asset/en-us/products/workstations/technical-support/precision-5770-spec-sheet.pdf (3570 doesn't seem to have the same URL structure, if it's even out there yet.) Anyway, 5770 shows Windows 10 as an option, but 5470 and 5570 do not. Maybe their plans to support Intel Arc make the difference? Spec sheets have been off before, too. We'll see what the options are when these become available to order. I was thinking about this recently too. By my count, they announced sixteen new models today across the Latitude and Precision lines. (Not to mention existing lines like XPS, Inspiron, etc... or Precision 7000 which has not refreshed yet.) For comparison, I hopped over to Apple and it looks like they have four laptop models on sale right now. I know Dell is trying to fill all of these different niches, and a broader range of niches than Apple at that, but it seems like they could consolidate some.
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    Hello! Precision 3570 and 3571 announced. Also launching in April. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-Precision-3570-and-Precision-3571-mobile-workstations-announced-with-Intel-Alder-Lake-and-latest-Nvidia-workstation-GPUs.611020.0.html 3570 has Alder Lake U and Alder Lake P CPU options (lower power limit than Alder Lake H), an RTX A500 GPU option, and 16:9 displays (768p through 4K). 3571 gets Alder Lake H and GPU choices are T600, A1000, and A2000. Found spec sheets for 3570 and 3571 as well. Windows 10 is listed, looks like users won't have to jump through hoops to manually install if they would prefer to use it. (Will be looking for Precision 5000 spec sheets in a bit...) [Edit] Looks like there has been no change to the keyboard in the Precision 357X (compared to Precision 7X50/7X60). It has the same issues with Home/End and PgUp/PgDn.
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    I checked the current Precision 5760 and it does similarly force you into a dGPU configuration if you choose the i9 CPU. These systems have both the CPU and GPU soldered onto the motherboard, effectively making each CPU/GPU combination a different motherboard "part". They probably (understandably) want to reduce the number of different motherboard variations that they have to produce. ... I checked out the three new docks and all of them appear to be limited to <100W power delivery (power from the dock to the laptop).
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    No real surprises in the Precision 5X70 line. Alder Lake H CPUs (up to i9-12900H, 6P+8E, which is available in all three systems) (No Xeon) GPU: 5770 gets RTX A2000 (8GB) or RTX A3000 (16GB) 5570 gets RTX A1000 (4GB) or RTX A2000 (8GB) 5470 gets RTX A1000 (4GB) (Integrated graphics only options also available; indication that Intel Arc GPUs will be available in at least the 5470, but at a later date.) Up to 64GB DDR5 RAM (in all three systems) (No explicit ECC... but DDR5 includes ECC as part of the spec, for addressing errors in storage but not errors during transmission.) 16:10 displays 5770, 5570 – FHD+, 4K+ 5470 – FHD+ or 2560×1600 All 60 Hz, 500 nits Thunderbolt 4 ports, SD card slot & 3.5mm audio Wi-Fi 6E, Bluetooth 5.2 130W PSU (not sure about 5470, but there is mention of 150W fast charging via USB-C) Battery: 5770 – Up to 97 Wh 5570 – Up to 86 Wh 5470 – Up to 73 Wh 5770 and 5570 look basically the same as the recently launched XPS 17 and XPS 15 systems, just with NVIDIA's "RTX A series" GPUs instead of GeForce GPUs; basically what we are used to from the Precision 5000 line. 5470 doesn't appear to have an XPS cousin, though, unless I am missing something? It is 14", and the soon-to-launch "XPS 13 Plus" has a chassis that is clearly different.
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    To answer my own question, I found the press release RSS feed, which doesn't seem to catch "everything" they release but it does include the products from today. https://investors.delltechnologies.com/rss/news-releases.xml
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    Precision 5X70 series announced. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-Precision-5470-announced-with-Intel-Alder-Lake-H-processors-an-Nvidia-RTX-A1000-GPU-and-more.610927.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-s-newest-Precision-5570-laptop-is-now-official-with-Nvidia-s-mobile-workstation-graphics-cards-a-UHD-screen-and-plenty-of-Thunderbolt-ports.610928.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-Precision-5770-High-end-business-laptop-announced-with-Intel-Alder-Lake-processors-and-a-touch-enabled-4K-screen.610929.0.html https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/03/dell-latitude-precision-pcs-claim-30-lower-latency-with-dual-network-connection/ Will digest and post back. [Edit] Also, a new phone-charging dock? https://arstechnica.com/?p=1844136 And some monitors. https://arstechnica.com/?p=1844382 New Latitude laptops. https://investors.delltechnologies.com/news-releases/news-release-details/new-latitude-5000-series-are-dells-most-sustainable-laptops-yet Full list of announced products. (There's the mysterious HD22Q dock that @SvenC noticed.)
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    Welcome, and thanks for posting. There goes my supposition that Microsoft is blocking Windows 10 preinstalls on Alder Lake systems. I didn't realize that 12th gen desktop Precision systems are available now. And sure enough, there they are, shipping with Windows 10. Went to check the support site and they are offering drivers for both Windows 10 and Windows 11. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens with the laptops. (At work, we also just finally got rid of the last Windows 7 deployments earlier this year.) I actually just purchased a Process Lasso license last week. Very nifty tool. (To anyone unfamiliar — you can use this tool to set priority or affinity settings for an EXE/process and have them automatically applied every time that process starts.) I'm actually planning to use it sort of in reverse, to make sure that certain background processes that like to occasionally gobble CPU cycles are constrained to the E cores only. But, it could be handy to keep apps off of the E cores if they are having performance trouble. —————————————————————————————————————————————— ...Anyone know of a good way to get new hardware/system announcements straight from Dell? Their news site and blog seem to be useless for this purpose. As an example, there is no mention of the Alder Lake XPS 15 & XPS 17 refresh that just happened recently at those locations. Yet, every article that I have read says something along the lines of "Dell has announced the availability of the new XPS 15 & XPS 17 systems...". They must have some sort of press outlet that I'm not seeing. Would have been nice to know about the launch of these Precision desktops without having to go constantly look at what's for sale. It didn't even appear on the more general tech news sites that I follow. —————————————————————————————————————————————— Just got this parcel delivered... Got a good deal on this drive and wanted to hop on it. Plan to use this as my system drive in the Precision 7770, in the hopefully not-too-distant future. (Still need to pick up some high-capacity data drives as well. Haven't fully settled on which model to get.)
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    ...There's a lot of whining in this thread. A lot of it is justified. But removing USB storage media support from Windows is not something that's going to happen.
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    All I have are the chassis images and references to the system model number from various documentation. I can only speculate on what the specs will be like... That's in the top post in this thread. I have a variety of news alerts set up so if anything new pops up, I should hear about it pretty quickly and I'll repost here. While I might not be on quite the same page with regards to the "crappiness" level of Microsoft software... (Oh, they have their moments, but they've kicked out some quality stuff too)... This is quite on point regarding the direction of Windows, well said. —————————————————————————————————————————————— Watched the Intel presentation, which ended up being a pre-recorded video that they just dropped on schedule ... not a live presentation. About 20 minutes long. They're launching new "Arc A series" GPUs for laptops, split into three groups: Arc 3 – Thin & light laptops – Available now Arc 5 & Arc 7 – Beefier laptops – Available in "early summer" (Desktop GPUs will also be available in the summer.) Specific GPUs launching now: A350M - 6 Xe cores, 6 ray tracing units, 4GB vRAM A370M - 8 Xe cores, 8 ray tracing units, 4GB vRAM They're claiming that popular titles can run at 1080p/60FPS on the A370M. No comment on what detail/settings levels they are using to achieve that... but the gameplay that they showed did look nice and fluid. Future GPUs: They did not compare performance with offerings from NVIDIA or AMD. You can only use this to sort of gauge the relative performance of the Arc GPUs but not performance compared to GPUs from other vendors. They talked up XeSS which we've known about for a while. XeSS also won't be available until summer and it will require game devs to specifically support it (like DLSS). It wasn't mentioned in the presentation, but XeSS doesn't require an Intel GPU to use. Takeaway — Glad to see another player in the dGPU space, maybe "for real" this time (even if I don't plan on getting an Intel dGPU anytime soon... competition is good). Disappointing (but not surprising) that they're only launching the low-end GPUs right now, and the midrange/high-end GPUs are still months out. The Dell Precision 5470 leaked spec sheet above mentions an "A30M Pro" Arc GPU. I wonder if that was supposed to be A350M or A370M, or if that one line refers to both GPUs, or if the workstation ("Pro") GPUs will have slightly different branding / model numbers? They (very briefly) showed systems from HP, Samsung, Lenovo, ASUS, and Acer in the presentation. The first laptop shipping with an Intel Arc GPU is the Samsung Galaxy Book2 Pro. There didn't seem to be a big pile of system announcements happening all at once like we often see when Intel drops a new mobile CPU line. Nothing (yet) from Dell as far as I can tell. Dell announcements may be held until tomorrow, when they are having a thing. There are a lot of speakers so I guess it will be multiple hours long. I don't have time to watch it live but I'll be looking out for system announcements in my news feed... (Not expecting anything on Precision 7X70 just yet but the 3000 and 5000 lines are now fair game I'd say.)
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    Agreed. I hate this conundrum, ha. In the past, I have been a champion of new versions of Windows. Here I am pushing for Windows 8, which despite its unfortunate UI, actually brought a number of legitimate improvements with it. Windows 11 brings more baggage along with it than actual improvements (IMO). This is the first time since XP that I have not upgraded right away. Everyone has to decide for themselves if the new "features" and hardware support outweighs the downsides of Windows 11. This scale will likely tip over time — for example as more software starts making use of P vs. E cores as you say, and also as Microsoft continues to bring new actual features to Windows 11. Users can always stick with Windows 10 for now and upgrade later when it makes more sense — you aren't locked in to a certain OS when you pick up a new system. (And if the upgrade never "makes sense" then I guess a switch to Linux might be worth a serious look.) Myself, I will wait for the next Windows LTSC release and then likely upgrade right away, and at that point just figure out what I am going to do about anything that still gives me misgivings. Back to the topic at hand. The Intel Arc presentation is in less than three hours. More news relating to the new laptops (of some kind of another) is likely coming today...
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    Well understood regarding Thread Director support not coming from a driver — I stated as much towards the end of my post. This is specifically why I said "most of" in the segment that you quote. And what I've also been trying to get at is — Windows 10 doesn't support Thread Director (presently) but it doesn't matter as much as Intel/Microsoft would have you think, judging by independent tests. The other features that you mention, having to do with GPU support, will likely not factor in to many (but not all) of the new Precision configurations, especially on the 7000-line. If you buy a system with an NVIDIA dGPU then it will work just as well with Windows 10 as it will with Windows 11 from that aspect. Dell could certainly limit systems with Arc dGPUs to Windows 11 only... if they were allowed to offer Windows 10 at all. There's precedent for offering systems with unsupported features anyway — I can point back once again to the Dell Precision M6700, which was offered with Windows XP, but also supports NVIDIA Optimus (that doesn't work with XP). XP users were expected to disable Optimus in the BIOS and run with the dGPU only.
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    Earlier in this thread. There are photos of the chassis. https://notebooktalk.net/topic/23-precision-7670-7770-pre-release-discussion-alder-lake/?do=findComment&comment=3054 Never expected Dell to wait for Microsoft for anything. The business with Dell not making Windows 10 available is a new thing which (IMO) seems like it must be because of OEM restrictions from Microsoft. Windows 10 has been around for a while so it hasn't been an "issue" lately, but I could point back to: Dell Precision 7X20 (2017) was offered with Windows 7 (2009) preinstalled Dell Precision M4700/M6700 (2012) were offered with Windows XP (2001) preinstalled They know there would be a strong interest from users for sticking with Windows 10 for now (especially among business users), which is likely why there is mention to DGR/downgrade rights in the spec sheet above. I've been very interested to see what Dell (and other OEMs) do about this "situation". And I've been talking about it in this thread because the situation with Windows 10 and Alder Lake will be of high interest to some users considering purchases of new Alder Lake systems. Windows itself does offer some degree of "modularity" in the sense that most of what is needed to support a new hardware platform with an existing version of Windows is just a proper set of drivers, which are not on Microsoft to produce (and which is why these examples that I have posted here worked). Microsoft wants to keep people moving forward so they have added artificial restrictions to move things along. This started with them blocking Windows Update on Windows 7/8 on systems with newer CPUs, in 2016 I believe (Intel 7th-gen CPUs). Dell offered Precision 7X20 with both 6th- and 7th-gen CPUs specifically so that people would have a Windows 7 option available. So, today, as for "compatibility" between Windows 10 and Alder Lake... You can't really argue that they are incompatible, even if Thread Director support is not backported. Numerous users have confirmed that Windows 10 runs fine on Alder Lake. Thread Director is the wrench here because support for it comes from Windows itself and not from a third-party driver. But, Windows 10 is aware of and runs on hybrid CPU architectures (support added for Intel Lakefield). Really, the only real downside is Windows 10's "unfortunate" default behavior for scheduling high-CPU low-priority processes (Handbrake example). I've discussed that all already. @addabis was right. Discussion is fine, disagreement is fine, but insulting other users not fine.
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    Very much looking forward to this one, so sad to hear, but all cool if the game ends up better off for it…
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    Maxwell is the oldest supported architecture from NVIDIA right now, so it is reasonable to expect that they'll stop supporting it within the next ≈2 years. (Maxwell GPUs first appeared in 2014, so that is a pretty good long run of support.) However, no reason that you cannot continue using it for some time after NVIDIA stops releasing new drivers. It's not very often that new games require a certain brand-new NVIDIA driver version in order to run. An open question is whether they will split the end of support timeframe for mobile and desktop GPUs like they did with Kepler. (Kepler laptop GPU support ended in early 2019, but desktop support continued through later in 2021.)
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    Works in Edge for me (no Malwarebytes here though). Probably something to do with the domain name change... Anyway, I'm glad for a new BIOS release but given what happened with my replacement motherboard & 1.8.0, I'll be waiting a few weeks to see if they end up pulling this one before installing it.
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    Dell Precision 5470 leaked spec sheet. https://www.ithome.com/0/609/962.htm Notable — Intel Arc graphics option. (Intel Arc presentation coming from Intel on March 30.) No idea if A30M Pro would be "better" or "worse" than the RTX A1000. No option for Windows 10... but I think "with DGR" refers to downgrade rights. It might be the case that we see Windows 10 support for this generation of systems in the form of drivers, but you won't be able to configure the systems at order time to ship with Windows 10. (...Likely an OEM agreement restriction from MS.)
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    @Dell-Mano_G has created an account. I am going to make sure that he knows about the URL change once it happens and hopefully he will stop by for Q&A (after there is an official announcement).
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    It looks like Dell is doing some sort of event on March 31, the day after Intel, so some sort of announcements could drop then too… https://delltechnologiesexperience.virtualevents-hub.com/?linkId=156437996
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    I think it can be expected that Windows 11 users running on “unsupported hardware” will have to take manual action to upgrade to 22H2 and all future Windows 11 “feature upgrade” builds. This would be the case if they are trying to get them through the Insider Program (beta or release preview channel), or after it is officially released. They won’t be pushed down through Windows Update.
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    I was just looking at this earlier this evening. I haven't tried it (no Linux install outside of a VM here) but I am curious to see your thoughts, if you do happen to try it. https://lutris.net/about Appears to be a frontend to multiple libraries built specifically for Linux. I was looking at it because I saw people commenting that it does a good job getting Wine set up to run Windows-only games on Linux, setting parameters and so forth so that you don't really have to worry about much. I'm also into emulators to run older console games on the PC, and it looks like it has some integrations into that space as well.
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    If the system is not under high CPU load, then the temperature should not be hitting the 90's. Assuming there were no high-CPU bootup jobs still running, that is definitely not reasonable. Not sure what to suggest other than just make sure that the thermal setup is good, if you have not repasted since it was taken in for... "service". Use isopropyl alcohol to clean old paste off of the CPU die and heatsink surface thoroughly, and then paste with MX-4. (You can get isopropyl alcohol cheap at a pharmacy.) Not a whole lot of paste is needed, just a "pea" in the middle should spread out to cover the die when the heatsink is pressed down on it. If you've done that already and it's still running hot... Eh. I don't really have any other ideas 😕 I guess I can suggest that you make sure that SpeedStep and C-states are ON in the BIOS. (The CPU might not go to lowest power states if they are not.)
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    (Fine to post links.) Windows 10 can run on legacy boot as well. ...It might depend on how you have your install media set up. If you use Rufus to build USB media from an ISO then it will probably be compatible with either UEFI boot or legacy boot (but not both)... But a DVD burned from the ISO will be compatible with both, as should USB media from the official Microsoft media builder tool. (This is more "knowledge for next time"; I don't recommend attempting to change your boot setup if it is already working.) Anyway, as I understand it you are saying that a tiny piece of your CPU die has actually been chipped off somehow? I don't think that it would be wise to attempt to repair that, but at least this system has a socketed CPU so you could outright replace the CPU. If you had better temps before the repair shop messed with your system, then I'd wonder if they did a good job with the CPU/heatsink cleaning & repasting. (I guess Sandy Bridge may be from before Intel was pushing CPUs to the breaking point with turbo boost speeds.) A slapdash job will result in poor temps (or lower turbo boost clock speed). They might not have bothered with cleaning it, just throwing some new paste on top of the old/dry junk that was already there — I've seen techs do that before.
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    Welcome; glad you found us. Very strange on the Windows 10 install bricking, I've never heard of something like this happening (but clearly you aren't the only one that it happened to). I am curious, is your system set to legacy boot or UEFI boot? Regarding temps, I'm not quite sure what to make of this either. I am wondering if your previous high load 85 °C experiences had the CPU throttled in some way. For reference, on my M6700, if I put the system under a high CPU load (gaming, video encoding, ...) then it pushes 99-103 °C on all cores. Maxing out the CPU temperature has been normal for high-performance laptop CPUs for a while. (It makes sense — If the CPU is not hitting 100 °C, then there is still thermal headroom to push the clock speed higher and get better performance.) And I know I have a good thermal setup in the M6700; I actually upgraded the CPU heatsink to the dual-pipe version, drilled larger holes in the bottom cover for the CPU fan, and I've done proper cleaning of the CPU and heatsink surface and repaste jobs whenever I have had to remove the CPU heatsink (for GPU swaps). ...If there are any other M4600 users out here, maybe they can comment on what temps they typically see in these systems under load. (@Hertzian56, you still have one right?) As long as the turbo boost clock speed that you're maintaining is adequately high then you don't really have anything to worry about there. I'm not that worried about the "chip" in the die as long as it is not affecting proper complete contact of the heatsink surface with the CPU die surface. (CPUs heat up in very small "hot spots" around the CPU cores themselves, the heat is not spread out across the entire die.) I would suggest that you make sure that the heatsink and die surfaces are thoroughly cleaned any time you detach them from each other, and repasted with high-quality thermal paste (Arctic MX-4 or similar). If you want to lower the temperature for when the system is not under load, you can disable turbo boost. This is easy to do on the fly in Windows 10. Use the "balanced" power profile. Set the power slider (appears when you click the system tray battery icon) to the middle setting. In Windows advanced power options, set the maximum CPU speed percentage to 99%. Ta da... Turbo boost is disabled. You can verify by looking at the clock speed in the "Performance" tab in Task Manager; it won't go above the mid-2 GHz range even if the system is put under load. If you need to enable turbo boost, just move the power slider to the right.
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    2022 XPS 15 and XPS 17 with Alder Lake CPUs are now available to order. Copy/pasting from a post I made in the Precision area: Specs are basically as you'd expect... Up to Core i9-12900H, up to 64GB of DDR5 RAM, individual SSDs up to 4TB (two NVMe drives can be installed). XPS 15 can be configured with Intel Iris Xe graphics, GeForce RTX 3050 or 3050 Ti, and XPS 17 has an option for GeForce RTX 3060. Pre-configured with Windows 11 only. XPS 15 gets three screen choices: 1920×1200 (FHD+), 3840×2400 (4K+), and an interesting in-between one 3456×2160 ("3.5K"). XPS 17 just gets FHD+ and 4K+. They are available to order immediately, but XPS 17 + GeForce RTX 3060 won't be available until sometime in April. https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-laptops-and-notebooks/sr/laptops/xps?appliedRefinements=30232,39795
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    Tangentially related... Dell just launched XPS 15 and XPS 17 systems with Alder Lake H. (These would presumably be nearly identical to Precision 5570 and 5770, basically other than dGPU choices and maybe ECC memory support.) https://www.tomshardware.com/news/dell-xps-15-xps-17-intel-alder-lake-h Specs are basically as you'd expect... Up to Core i9-12900H (6P+8E), up to 64GB of DDR5 RAM, individual SSDs up to 4TB (two NVMe drives can be installed). XPS 15 can be configured with Intel Iris Xe graphics, GeForce RTX 3050 or 3050 Ti, and XPS 17 has an option for GeForce RTX 3060. Pre-configured with Windows 11 only. XPS 15 gets three screen choices: 1920×1200 (FHD+), 3840×2400 (4K+), and an interesting in-between one 3456×2160 ("3.5K"). XPS 17 just gets FHD+ and 4K+. They are available to order immediately, but XPS 17 + GeForce RTX 3060 won't be available until sometime in April. https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-laptops-and-notebooks/sr/laptops/xps?appliedRefinements=30232,39795 (Guessing that they won't be offering Intel Arc graphics, or they would have waited until next week to announce them.)
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