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This is a good question. For the GE76 12th Gen the 12700H definitely was paste and the 12900HK definitely was a phase change pad. The pad though was not a guarantee of good thermals. There is still a chance that the factory can botch up the application and you would have 15-20C core temp differentials leading to reduced performance and more noise. So I would probably have GentechPC verify how the stock pad/paste is performing then repaste if necessary before shipping.
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It did look better with lighting deactivated or just set to a static color. The most annoying thing is the pattern effects with all colors which are active by default. The boot unsheathing sound also has to be deactivated. Any BIOS update resets these configurations to default. The only thing configurable in the bios is the boot sound which is a shame. I think I would opt for the CreatorPro X17 over the GT77. If it has a membrane keyboard, less RGB and longer onsite warranty its a better configuration than the GT77. They have one with the 12900HX for 3649USD. The A3000 GPU should be a good performer at 130W with 12GB GDDR6. Still stupid they do not offer the 240hz QHD display. I think Eluktronics could order a high end CPU paired with a mid range GPU from Tongfang, but they worry it would not sell well. So far as I know everything is ordered in a batch with minimum quantities for a volume production discount. If they do get HX it will probably be later this year, and the Prema BIOS would be a few months after that.
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Got my Rockitcool delid kit in, have a quick question: Is there a shelf life on liquid metal compound? I have some Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra I purchased in 2017 (for delidding a 6700K in the Tornado F5, that brings back some memories). I can use it for the relid if its good and still considered effective. Or if it would be better I could get some Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut from Micro Center over the weekend.
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Yes, the GE77HX is similar to the Asus Strix Scar 17 SE. BGA CPU and GPU, two SODIMM slot and two SSD slots. But the big advantage is the advanced bios and less gamer accented chassis, and useful ports on the right side. The cooling system does have an additional heatpipe compared to the GE76. Curious if the partially unlocked 12800hx can boost over 5ghz on 1-2 cores. Eluktronics is ok. 12900h + 3080Ti costs 3200USD while 12700h + 3070Ti is a significant drop in single core performance. Another brand making forced bundling choices of CPU+GPU...
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The GE77HX is another option. Not much info about it out there but the cooling system and bottom panel has been revamped so maybe things are better in the noise department. Clevo should have just wired the integrated panel to the Nvidia GPU if they did not want to implement the MUX. There is no reason to force users to use Optimus on something with an LGA processor and 3070Ti. What were their product managers even thinking?
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The Strix Scar 17 SE has better performance and less noise than the NH55JNNQ. Although it is hard to find and more expensive. No reviews on the Precision 7770 so far. It will likely have lower power limits but better build quality, expansion, and software support. I like them because they are really focused on supporting external displays. Not only does it have a MUX for the internal panel but also a second MUX for the video output ports so they can be driven by the iGPU/dGPU depending on your preference. They also sell them without any Nvidia GPU as a CTO option which makes them significantly less expensive.
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Yeah, sent it back to Asus. Windows 10 driver support was not complete, and Linux had issues with running out of memory when booting and couldn't detect drives reliably if two were installed. I want to try a Precision 7770 which is about the same price as the Asus (~3500USD) for a 12950HX / 3080Ti / 32GB / FHD config. It is probably less performance for CPU+GPU loads but it may be close for CPU only and the OS support should be much better not to mention it being much better suited for using at the office. If only Clevo would publish a bios update for the NH55JNNQ enabling the MUX feature so I could have all displays internal and external driven by the same GPU.
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I'm surprised how low Mano quoted for the 7770. Pretty sure I saw 45W+140W sustained on the 7760 with 11950H and 3080 before selling it to a friend. I definitely can sustain 110W+45W on the 7560 with 11800H and 3080.
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Times are changing. Flagship products are less overbuilt and instead target the T&L crowd. Are they higher performance? Sure, but only marginally. Performance and expansion aren't the highest priority anymore. We have more customization options for RGB lighting than we do CPU performance or fan control.
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Yeah I am actually annoyed that I was not even upsold on the 280W power brick, given that I had ordered the 12900 and 3070ti config from them. The notebookcheck review had that brick and it was pulling above 230W IIRC!
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Eurocom said they would give me the service manual if they had it. Although it may not be produced as quickly if this model isn't carried by the majority of Clevo resellers. The results sound great. I ordered the kit to relid my 12900k as well.
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Thanks for the photo. Sadly I don't see anything that fits the description there. The PS8461 is a 66 pin 5mmx10mm IC. They may be using a different IC than the BGA model from last year, but its hard to read those part number printed on the IC without perfect lighting and a very good macro lens. Even Clevo's own service manual photos are generally blurry. If only they would release the service manual for the NH55. It is already 3+ months after launch.
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Dell should launch in a few days if I had to guess. Lenovo has some P16 configs posted to their USA site. Nothing in stock for immediate shipment, but they do have pricing and specs to compare against! Still no activity for the Zbook Fury 16 G9, but IIRC HP had a delayed launch last year too. Those guys on the HP workstation team not too far from where I live in Colorado so I knew a couple from local LUG meetups have a lot on their plate so it is hard to meet release dates. The Precision is still the most interesting of the bunch given the 17 inch screen, 3080Ti option, and hopefully the revamped cooling system allows the 12950HX to sustain higher power limits than we saw in the 7760 even if its in a CPU-only load scenario.
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A better list: must be able to reach and maintain advertised boost frequencies for a given ambient environment must provide tool less mechanism to replace battery must not excessively drain battery while sleeping or wake up until user has triggered a wake up event must be able to configure battery charging so users can maximize battery lifespan must include useful connectivity for products sold today, USB-A and USB-C on both sides must not package premium features together forcing unwanted upgrades of one feature to get another
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This is the plug connector part: https://www.acesconn.com/series_list/BoxingPower/64
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I do prefer slower fan ramp up. The X170KM had trouble dealing with the heat generated by the 11900K at high clock speeds. Even 1-2 core loads would send it into the 50dB range. I guess a better binned CPU might have helped things but I did not try that. Oh and I will note that new MSI machines do not work with Silent Option, the only choice is their UWP Control Center app. As far as the Precision goes CAMM might get cheaper if we see aftermarket modules. So far I know that SK Hynix and Samsung are producing OEM CAMM modules for Dell directly using the same IC's you might find on a SODIMM. It may also help if they deliver on their promise that CAMM is superior if you can operate at 4800MT/s with 128GB capacity, while SODIMMs operate at 4000MT/s or such. Maybe MSI just does not have as established relationship as Asus for vapor chamber manufacturing - Asus had them on G752 with 1080 mobile IIRC, over five years ago.
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@jaybee83 By chance do you have any high resolution photos of the backside? I was curious if the Parade PS8461 Mux IC was physically present on the NJ55JNNQ board as it would mean there is a chance may enable it in a future firmware update. It would probably be on the backside opposite the eDP connector.
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The Strix Scar 17 SE isn't too bad. The vapor chamber works well although the firmware also does not ramp up fans very quickly which also helps with noise. I am not really interested in the GT77 even if it has more expansion capabilities. The GE76 had loud fans with a high pitched whine to them that would ramp up and down quickly, and buggy control software so setting a custom curve would not consistently work. The Precision is interesting but we still don't know its allowed CPU limits. If anything we know it will likely be pretty quiet just like the 7760, the CAMM memory will be expensive (2000USD for 128GB if I had to guess), but it will have a better looking chassis and support for Windows 10 / Linux.
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Yeah, I poked around with it a bit last month. I also have a HyperX 2666CL15 Samsung B-die dual rank 2x16GB kit that I tried setting a custom profile at 3200CL16 1.2v last month, but sadly it could not train and got stuck in a boot loop so I gave up after a few tries. The same memory runs fine configured that way in my boss's Eluktronics MAX 17 11800H (with the Prema BIOS!). My hope is Eurocom will get a bios update from Clevo with more stuff working at some point, maybe because they are selling the 12700k/12900k and BGA HX competition they have a reason to allow users to get the most out of this system. I know it is not impossible because I have read about XMG getting the NH55VR bios tuned to better support the 5950x within the chassis power limits.
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The NH5xJ uses DDR4. I have a HyperX dual rank Micron E-die IC 2x16GB kit in mine which works fine at 3200 CL20 Gear 1 from its JEDEC profile.
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Not much on the hardware side. I have had the 12900 installed (with Nanogrease Extreme) for the past couple of weeks but I want to re-install the Newegg 12900k again for some more testing. I do have Fedora 36 with the 5.18.3 kernel installed which works well. Optimus isn't the ideal configuration but with Nvidia set as the Primary GPU it can drive both displays without tearing at different refresh rates.
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Yeah, maybe it has a unified vapor chamber with heatpipes soldered to it going to the fin stacks.
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Looks like soldered wifi. Also photos show a heatpipe heatsink even with a high end GPU so does that mean no vapor chamber? In theory with that setup it could still handle 125W sustained on the CPU if the GPU is inactive or not present.
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These days supporting dynamic boost as a feature is an almost guarantee of a GPU biased heatsink. The CPU cooling is an afterthought. I would love it if a manufacturer would move to non unified designs with known sustained limits. The extra TDP Nvidia dangles like a carrot on a stick is not worth it.
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Different machines. The XMG was the B550 AMD + BGA 3070 model which does indeed have the heatsink pictured. It also has no iGPU support so all display outputs are wired to the 3070 which is a superior config. It is not like any of these machines are winning awards for battery life.
