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  1. jaybee83
    "Reason for sale: Too many 10900k" rofl 😂 good luck with the sale bud! seems like a really good price 🙂
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    sweet! but wasnt Valve planning to provide a desktop compatible version of SteamOS, anyways? sooner or later, at least....
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    no SPI programmer, weve been using Insyde H20FFT v6.44. thx for the headsup, im sure well get it installed soon 🙂 in the meantime, here is a write up of my baseline results (config is in my signature). note that all tests were run with FN+1 enabled, thus max fans with the back of the machine raised for improved airflow. CPU and GPU incl VRMs were repadded and thermal paste was TG Kryonaut. RAM absolutely no way to adjust anything for RAM, which is a shame, considering were sporting DDR-3800 modules from G.Skill here. in any case, they revert to SPD defaults of 2400-17-17-17-39, so dont expect any magical results lol I ran AIDA64 ten times in a row and providing the average results here: Read - 36191 MB/s Write - 34842 MB/s Copy - 34638 MB/s Latency - 79.0 ns In my Dark Knight those modules running at 3300 Mhz with all timings finetuned are more in the range of 47-51000 MB/s and 45 ns, so were talking at least a 35-40% boost on bandwidth and 75% boost on latency. im expecting much better results on the NH55, since its 12th gern (stronger IMC), only two RAM slots vs. four and HOPEFULLY better traces on the mobo. lets see what Premamod can do here, in case we get RAM control back 🙂 CPU CInebench R23 Bench (Realtime Priority) as before, another ten consecutive runs to get an idea of how the 12600 behaves at stock config. only tuning i did was to set High Perf. profile and tune whatever i can with TS (i.e. set wattage limits to 4095W for PL1/PL2/PP0 and 1023W for Power Limit 4, max out turbo timings, set PROCHOT to 98C) while running the stock bios. the first run started out strong at almost 12300, but then results kept decreasing as the cooling system got saturated until scores stabilized around the 4th run at 11800-11900 points. this puts the 12600 at about the same range as a 9900 (non-K) or 10700 (non-K). the scores im currently getting definitely beat the stock 12600 with all limits in place as per TechPowerUp review (https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-12600/6.html) by about 6-7%, but there is still performance to be had! fully unleashed the 12600 is capable of roughly 13800 pts. so im hoping the delid kit from Rockit Cool in combination with the copper IHS will be able to provide those extra 12% gains. Average = 11938 pts. Max = 12268 pts. Min = 11806 pts. Cinebench R23 10min. Stress I also wanted to see how the 12600 behaves under an extended load so i let it run for 10 min straight in CB23 and monitored everything with HWInfo64: Results: Overall clocks averaged 3.7 Ghz all core, with around 3.6-3.7 Ghz fluctuating in the end of the run. this is due to the high thermals that clocked in at 94.3C average across all cores. not a pretty sight, especially if u consider that the majority of cores hit a max of 100C, yikes. in any case, the system remained stable although ive had a crash before when i set PROCHOT to 100C, but at 98C it keeps running indefinitely. CPU wattage had a peak of a whopping 145W with an average of 88.4W. again, ill be curious to see how high we can make this go once we got thermals under control. Throttlestop 960M Bench (Realtime Priority) Once more 10 runs, with similar behaviour as previously seen in CB23: good first run, then steadily decreasing until stabilization hits. Average = 82.554 s Best = 80.409 s Worst = 83.757 s CPU-Z Bench 19.01.64 AVX2 Beta (Realtime Priority) Another ten runs with the same behaviour, you get the gist! This time for both Single and Multi-Threaded workloads. SIngle: Average = 1101.2 pts. Max = 1105.9 pts. Min = 1088.1 pts. Multi: Average = 7362.9 pts. Max = 7392.6 pts. Min = 7339.2 pts. Overall, this results in a 6,7x multi-core factor vs. single core, which means that HyperThreading is only able to improve the multi score by a measly 11-12%. although im expecting that the multi score is on the low side due to power and/or thermal constraints, whereas single can go full bore without limitations and, of course, at a higher frequency (4.8 max single vs. 4.4 Ghz max multi). GPU no tuning done here, just set high performance and fans to max. ill only start tuning and OC once we get premamod running 😉 3DMark Time Spy & Firestrike Ultra first up, forgive me for posting such "weird" data on the TIme Spy runs, thats all i get for not willing to upgrade my old license haha 😛 but should still be sufficient for comparison purposes. i did 3 runs each with every gpu bench for higher accuracy. Time Spy Averages GPU Score = 10978 Test 1 fps = 72.76 Test 2 fps = 62.03 CPU fps = 28.27 Firestrike Ultra Averages Total = 7405 GPU = 7310 Physics = 24855 Combined = 3786 overall it seems like these scores land right where they should be. a bit above average scores, but nothing to write home about. pretty solid. Unigine (1080p maxxed out) again every bench ran thrice to get consistent results. Sanctuary - 16686 pts / 393.5 fps Tropics - 7860 pts / 312.0 fps Heaven - 3692 pts / 146.5 fps Valley - 6324 pts / 151.1 fps Superposition - 15674 pts / 117.2 fps was nice to see that at 1080p the 3070 Ti even at stock is able to run everything super smooth 🙂 yes i know, those arent up to date triple AAA games here but nevertheless, at maxed out settings Heaven and later are not that easy to run! Firestrike Ultra 10 min. Stress As before with CB23 on the cpu i wanted to get an idea of how the gpu behaves when stressed over a longer period of time, monitored again via HWInfo64: Summary: - Running at high res the gpu is bottlenecked (naturally) and the cpu is pegged at 4.75 Ghz all core on average - CPU averages 60C across all cores while drawing 36W avg with a peak of 65W - Total System Power averaged 198W with a peak at 231W (PSU rated for 230W) - RAM temps averaged 53-54C on the two sticks - GPU temp average 76C with a max. at 80C - GPU Hot Spot averaged 88C with a max. at 92C - GPU Power averaged 129W with a peak at 130W, seems like its very tightly power controlled! - GPU Core averaged 1481 Mhz, with a total range of 1350 to 1665 Mhz - GPU vRAM averaged 1603 Mhz, with a total range of 1500 to 1750 Mhz (interesting to see the vRAM clocks fluctuating! WTF!) alright, this is it for now regarding the baseline. now lets see what we can coax out of it with identical hardware, cooling and firmware mods only biatch! 😎 -
  4. jaybee83
    AMD already confirmed that the iGPU will only be focused on troubleshooting, i.e. they will not try and push it as a "gaming option", thus not waste any more silicon space than absolutely necessary. i for one think thats kinda neat to have an igpu as a backup, but yeah, as mentioned, pls dont waste too much power and space on it, just give it display output and thats it. in any case, IM EXCITED! ive been saving for 2+ years now and AM5 will be the platform im aiming for 😄 why, u might ask? because with AMD will definitely have more generations on a single platform to look forward to than intel. plus, im not quite convinced yet of that big.little approach on desktop.... good times! this fall ill finally switch back to monster desktop land after 15 years on laptop 😛 😁😎
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    haha kudos to your persistence man! 😁 @GT3000 ok kool, will post the goods later then, finished the baseline benches last night. im not sure about official premamod support, were currently still in the very early stages, trying to get modified bios images to flash. seems like there is some sort of signed bios lock. @win32asmguy got any info on that? did you encounter any such block in terms of only signed bios being able to flash? i do have some options in the stock bios where id be able to delete signing certificates, not sure if that would help anything tho.... edit: holy guacamole, did you guys see the AMD announcement for AM5 & Ryzen 7000? thats what ive been waiting for to switch to a monster desktop woooooo! 16/24 cores, 5.5 ghz, 170W+ TDP, X670 Extreme chipset tier for extreme OC, ddr5-6000 official support, 24 pcie 5.0 lanes, and more! so yeah, seems like this fall im gonna finally burn all my pocket money savings lol
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    played around a bit with CRU and managed to push the FHD display to a whopping 248 Hz 😄 but hey, still better than a kick in the teeth, amirite? starting at 249 Hz it glitches, so no dice....
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    doesnt matter what any of us believes. simple facts: - the more complex a component gets, the more potential points of failure it has. whats more complex? a motherboard with integrated gpu, cpu, ram, storage, wifi, etc? or just one of those components by itself? based on just my own personal experience ive had psus, cpus, storage, motherboards, gpus, fans, displays and periphery fail on me at one time or another. this stuff happens, its not imaginary 😄 - with each passing year the risk of a failure in any of the above mentioned potential points of failures rises significantly. all its takes is one fault and bam, paperweight with only a slim chance of repair due to highly proprietary, highly integrated parts offered by a single vendor. next step? throw out the whole machine and buy a new one... thats not a direction id like to endorse with my wallet, even if it means that i get to safe a few bucks today when it bites me in the ass tomorrow....
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    currently finishing up stock baseline of benches to get an idea of performance on cpu, gpu and ram before we continue with prema magic. what ive noticed: once the gpu hits above 70C consistently (not sure when exactly, its somewhere around 70 to 75C), the vRAM clocks suddenly start fluctuating, ive seen anywhere from 6000 to 8000 Mhz. if there is interest, i can post my baseline results for reference here in the thread once done 🙂 and then later on compare to the max attained numbers with premamod.
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    took you up on your suggestion and had a look around with regards to reviews (as mentioned before, i didnt have any info on the legion 7 series cooling). seems to be doing quite nicely: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-Legion-7-16ACH-in-review-Gaming-powerhouse-with-good-16-10-display.545205.0.html so on that front, looking good so far. as for pricing, the walmart offer is indeed a good one, considering that the initial price offering (at least here in europe) when the machine hit the market was more like 3500 USD+, so basically same pricing as the X170KM-G. Now, the issue here being that Clevo is exclusively a butique shop brand, shops like walmart or best buy would just never offer clevo machines 😄 so unlikely that you would see such discounted prices. one more good thing to see about the legion 7: apparently, lenovo offers a 3 year warranty as standard and with roughly 60 USD on top u can buy an extra year for a total of four years. so that would at least somewhat offset the headache of all components being soldered down and with one defect turning the whole machine into a paperweight. with all that being said, for me personally it would still be a very very hard choice to invest 1800 USD (with added tax on top!) for a one-shot configuration, which could never be upgraded in any significant manner... or even repaired at home, for that matter, without having to swap out the whole motherboard (especially once outside warranty). so i guess thats the choice everyone has to make for themselves: pay more for a longer lifetime / sustainable solution or save a few bucks in the here and now without thinking about tomorrow 😅
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    will keep u updated for sure 🙂 did a 10 min CB23 test yesterday and turns out long term the 12600 is only running at 3.6-3.7ghz all core due to heat, so delid definitely required. about time for the drivers! so far it was empty for our model at the clevo website. thanks for the heads up!
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    i would say one of THE most played game series on my part is Wolfenstein. starting with return to castle wolfenstein all the way up to the most current The New Colossus (im not counting Cyberpilot since its VR exclusive) ive played them all and enjoyed them thoroughly! actually thinking about doing another run of the whole series haha 😛
  12. jaybee83
    yep, could be an intermittent issue, i.e. the display connector cable is moving towards failure but hasnt quite bit the bullet yet. if i were u i would indeed be on the lookout for a replacement unit before the display completely gives out on you.
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    youre paying "service fee" LOL but jokes aside, unfortunately thats kinda normal for hardware components offered by system integrators. whenever possible, just get the cheapest config and upgrade urself down the line 🙂 has absolutely nothing to do with specs, quality, performance or other....ist all just about margins! for people who cant bother to do it themselves or who are afraid to take apart their systems, this would just be a fire and forget solution i guess.
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    im not saying the cooling is definitely bad, no idea actually. but just the combination of a 3080 with such a slim chassis makes me skeptical. in general, most such gaming laptops nowadays just "accept" that the cpu runs into 100C throttling and the gpu is severely power limited while still running at 80C+. sure, it "works", but its not an experience id like to spend so much money on (even if 1800 USD in this context can be considered a good deal, its still 1800 USD = a LOT of money). also, u cannot compare the price of a whole system to individual mxm gpu pricing. its nothing new that by themselves, mobile gpus are insanely expensive. ud have to compare it with another complete system to make it valid. otherwise, compare the price of a mobo with soldered cpu & gpu to mobo/mxm gpu/desktop cpu individually, THEN u have a valid comparison again 🙂
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    agreed on the good value proposition here. although full BGA and the seemingly super slim chassis would put me off 😅
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    any specifics as to that windows update? did it contain a gpu driver or system bugfixes? glad it got resolved though!
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    hmmm....two tests u should do: 1) do those black lines still show up when u boot into safe mode? i.e. without gpu driver or other software interfering? 2) seems like u only jumped between 30/60 and 300Hz. what happens if u go to, say, 240Hz? 120? 144? i.e. in between steps how old is your machine? might be the display cable (connection to the mobo) thats slowly giving out on you (not being able to provide sufficient bandwidth at 300 Hz anymore, thus the above suggestion with dialing it back just a tad, not necessarily down to 60 Hz....)
  18. jaybee83
    aight dudes, just ordered a copper IHS upgrade kit with rockit cool, incl delid/relid kit and that removal paste for the intel sTIM. i figured we will definitely use it several times, starting with the 12600 now and later on with a 12900K and raptor lake successors 🙂 even with the 12600 itll surely pay off, since at present im not able to let it stay full bore at 4.4 Ghz all core indefinitely. with 10-15C less that would be a LOT closer to a realistic implementation! ill likely not relid the cpu but just use the socket clamp to hold the copper IHS in place. Gallinstan between the die and copper iHS and Kryonaut between IHS and heatsink is the plan (nope, not taking any chances with liquid metal on top of IHS in a laptop!). will update u guys once i got the kit in 🤠
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    i dont get it...the 5950X is SO frugal when it comes to power, can completely stretch its legs at 125W with stock clocks (https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-5950x/19.html). so why cripple it at 88W?!?! they already did that with the previous gen 3950X DTRs from Clevo, and now the same mistake again.... 125W is really not that much, a proper DTR should be able to take care of 150W for the CPU easily, if not more.... (as an example, the 5950X in the techpowerup review oced to 4.5 ghz all core draws 194W in multi threaded)
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    Q4 is not too bad, just in time for nextgen cpus and gpus 😛 should be interesting!
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    *grabs some popcorn while following this thread* keeping fingers crossed here! 🤠
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    hahaha if it were up to me she'd just be upgraded from her previous LTSC 2019 to LTSC 2021. but nope, she wanted to go back to a "standard" windows version 😛 so win11 pro is what she got. second install runs smoothly now, debloated / decrapped everything and deactivated windows update 🙂 yeah man, with every new windows update it gets more and more tricky to get it lean... im shifting more towards pre-modded images like the one i used now (phoenix lite os, fitting name!), saves a lot of tuning work and nerves!
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    Microsoft has also started testing experimental features for Windows 11 with the help of Insiders in the Dev Channel. Yesterday's Windows 11 Preview Build 25120 was the first one to introduce these features. More details on that here. Yep, Win 11 is the most secure Windows ever. And Microsoft try out a new way forcing you to use their Edge browser. Windows 11 and Teams got hacked several times during the first day of Pwn2Own 2022 During the first day of Pwn2Own Vancouver 2022, participants demonstrated various zero-day exploits and security loopholes in popular Microsoft products, such as Windows 11 and Teams. The new Windows 11 desktop search bar will make you use Edge @Mr. Fox @Ashtrix The latest Dev Channel Insider Preview Build came with an exciting new addition to the OS. However, using the new desktop search bar comes with a price many are unwilling to pay. Every search made through it will default to Edge, ignoring your already preselected browser. while i was doing the final touch ups on my lady's new machine with win11 pro, she kept insisting that i leave windows update intact and install all the latest updates as part of the setup. i recommended to at least wait a few weeks and delay any updates, but no dice. sooo i went ahead and....after the updates installed the system was shot LOL. no booting anymore, only BSODs and even after applying restore points the install was whacky. off to a fresh install now, lessons were learned (i hope) 😂
  24. jaybee83
    u dont hear that every day @amd drivers muuuch better than nvidia LOL 😄
  25. jaybee83
    surely nobody could stop us from just connecting the fans directly to the mobo instead of the pump? 😋 or is there some kinda gimmick that prevents the pump from switching on if u dont have the fans connected to it? 😅
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